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You want me to give you a story idea for a movie that will win 100s millions and you will give me ( a hardcover copy of Batman: The Killing Joke graphic novel as well as three full-size Dark Knight posters (painted wall, burning building, Bat Pod) ?

No thanks … I wrote my blog about the movie 15 minutes ago and it can be consider as part one …there is some stuff and some ideas you can get what ever you want for free… some of the questions are not questions but answers …you may find them interesting for this contest …

Good luck everyone and feel free to comment of critic my blog …hope you find some new stuff in it

http://blog.myspace.com/shero_rauf

Shero on Jul 20, 2008

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Haha, cool idea. I'll try to come up with something if I find the time. Lots of rumors going artound that CATWOMAN will be in the next one because of Freeman's line about the suit how it will stop a cat.

Ryan on Jul 20, 2008

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with Batman now being hunted it's perfect timing for characters like the Reaper from Batman :year Two, maybe Azrael, Bane would be perfect if written properly and not made into a freaking mexican masked Wrestler like the TAS tried to do.


for those who haven't read Batman Year Two, the Reaper is an old gotham vigilante who is basically the mirror opposite of the batman, he has two scythe like blades in each hands and is very similar to batman except he does KILL, he kills the criminals he encounters instead of capturing them.
the may Nolan keeps touching on Batman: Year One, it would be a good way to introduce Catwoman.

in BY1, Catwoman is a prostitute, Reaper can kill prostitutes making her don the costume, which of course also resembles batman.

just dumping out my ideas, i'm not a very good writer so i didn't enter the contest.

The Delightful Deviant on Jul 20, 2008

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how could the ever surpass the dark knight you ask? simple, bring back arnold schwarzenegger to reprise his role as mr. freeze.


obvously.

Mike on Jul 20, 2008

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fuck catwoman, and duck halle berry as catwoman.

Steve-O on Jul 20, 2008

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Oh Where Could Batman go? HMMM maybe find the cure for his blue balls …yes…that's it…The Dark Knight cures Blue Balls.

I am sorry this movie is a great psycho hark to the original dark comic strip and I have given over $30 ( yes, I saw it three times - once in IMAX)

Each time this movie reminded me of Clint Eastwood characters who save women in distress. Why Luke never got Leia but she wanted him for another five seconds - he was shorter than her.

Where the hell could Batman go except to be killed by Superman over Lois Lane.

Sorry but my tongue may be stuck in my cheek- why are you so serious…who cares where it goes.

I am a little disgusted by the who CGI and far far reaching implications of new developing technology ( do you think the government isn't using sonar technology now…mmmm I got a bridge to sell you ).

The most frustrating part is that there is no other place for Batman to go…the joker can't be revived unless there is more footage of Heath Ledger and that will blow a lot of people away ( can you imagine the royalties…sh*^&T! he did two movies after death crap ).

Also there has to be better editing, it didn't make sense why Bruce takes Dent away when he asks Rachel to get married. How did he know about the death threat.

Also, now too many people know about the real identity of Batman from the hokey accountant finding the tumbler designs ( what hiding it in the cookie jar wasn't a good idea? - WTF?)

Sorry, but the money was spent and I ate it up like candy much like the cows who stood in line Thursday night for a midnight showing in the harsh of sunday morning I am disappointed…Batman doesn't get the girl…doesn't get with a girl…that's like Spock getting the girl- UGH.

Oh, yes, I am going to see it again today except I am not paying for it this time…what is there anything like a free movie? mmmmm

I am going to play some poker…

Patricia on Jul 20, 2008

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Just saw on MSNBC that "The Dark Knight" hit 155 million this weekend topping Spider-Man 3 to have the biggest opening ever.

No one has anything online about this yet that I can find.

TCox on Jul 20, 2008

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For those who say there's nowhere else for Batman to go, you have absolutely no imagination. The obvious next step is Redemption, getting his good name back, etc. Hmm, I may actually enter this thing.

Nick on Jul 20, 2008

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Ty for the info TCox..

And Patricia, whats ur final point? U say the movie has flaws but u saw it thrice & u r gonna do what?

Anyway, nice idea for a contest.. Have Fun..

Gdn | TD on Jul 20, 2008

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WARNING: DARK KNIGHT SPOILERS BELOW

For the next movie I would bring back the Penguin and give him a real story. He wasn't a deformed freak in the comics, so Nolan can go back and undo the mistakes that Burton made.

I know at one point there was a mention of him being brought into the movies as an arms dealer, which makes perfect since to me. A perfect casting choice I think would be Paul Giamatti.

Here's a plotline:

With Batman on the opposite side of the law due to Harvey Dent's actions, the Gotham Police seek outside help with weaponry to bring Batman to justice. Enter Oswald Cobblepot as a shady character who fills their needs but ultimately takes over the crime organizations after the Joker has been brought to justice.

A perfect premise would be for Cobblepot to keep his Penguin identity a secret, thus allowing for his duality to be played out onscreen. Batman must use his detective skills to track and identify Penguin. They could even keep Penguin identity conceiled to the audience (even though we would know…just for good storytelling).

Think of it like Episode III. Cobblepot being the Chancellor, and Penguin being the Sith lord.

Batman uncovers Cobblepot's plan, indentifies him as the Penguin, takes him down, and is redeemed with the people of Gotham. Along the way, evidence of Two-Face's crimes come to light, allowing Gordon to clear Batman of all wrong doing. By this time, the Joke has been away for a while, so the Harvey Dent "white knight of Gotham" will not be as important to maintain.

Even though there was a funeral for Harvey, I found it hard to believe he couldn't have survived the fall. Especially since he lived through getting half his face burned off. Another eliment to the follow up to The Dark Knight would be to have Two-Face secretly re-emerge midway through the movie, and have him almost compete with Batman to bring Penguin down.

Of course, Harvey's willingness to kill, and Batman's respect for life would play out in a big way. Ultimately Batman would have to kill Harvey Two-Face to stop him, and to uphold Gotham's memory of "White Knight" Harvey Dent.

TCox on Jul 20, 2008

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FYI - I don't care about the contest. I already have The Killing Joke, and don't have a need for poster. That's why I'm posting it here for all to see.

If someone's got some writing skills, they can take my premise and build upon it. All I ask is that the credit me on it. They can have the prizes.

TCox on Jul 20, 2008

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@ #7 i actually saw that also, i saw it on yahoo actually. The Dark Knight took in $155.4 mill

big r on Jul 20, 2008

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here's the box office results
http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=7502

TCox on Jul 20, 2008

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He should go to therapy and deal with his screaming anger issues.

Brian Ricci on Jul 20, 2008

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All right, we all know the ending, Joker doesn't die and Harvey "Two Face" apprently does. But since Ledger died, the possibility of Joker coming back as the main Villian is extremely limited, So I sat bring back Harvey "Two-Face" Dent to prove to Gotham that the Batman is the true hero of Gotham. I mean it sounds good on paper but on the silver screen probably not, just an idea. Or how about no more films the second was so good how could a third fair in its shadows. Not since Empire Strikes Back and the Godfather part two as a sequal been perfect in every aspect. Besides what Nolan does is make the villians of Batman possible to be real. Mr. Freeze to much, Poison Ivy Blah, Batman and Robin never! The Riddler might as well just be a Joker knock off. Harley Quinn. Now in one scene The Joker said he had a "Wife" you could spin it and make Harley Quinn his estranged wife who hates Gordon and Batman for taking her husband away and she attacks Gotham in a revenger like way? Nah.
I don't know its to hard to see someone surpass Harvey "Two Face" and the Joker as the best villians on hte Batman universe.

Xerxex on Jul 20, 2008

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Three words - No Man's Land. Like what Alfred said, things have to get worse before they get better. Gotham will fall, be it through a natural disaster or a large scale attack by criminals. With the streets in a mess and the cops barely able to do a thing, the people put everything they have on The Dark Knight as their only hope of salvation; the latter who has routine sessions of self-doubt throughout the film. Batman battles from organized crime lords to the desperate people turned into criminals, and engages in a psychological battle with a major villain based on the Joker's philosophy of "When the chips are down…" The movie ends with Batman and Bruce Wayne rebuilding and ushering Gotham City into a new era, and inspires the Gothamites to have faith in the city and the Caped Crusader once more, thus completing his objective since the first film, recovering Batman's reputation from the second, and nicely tying up the trilogy. The name?

Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Gotham

JT on Jul 20, 2008

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I gonna keep going with Harley Quinn bare with me.

In the wake of Rachel Dawes' Death Bruce Wayne meets a woman whom he seems to like. But is overshadowed by trying to keep the police off Batmans trail. no!

I don't know but Quinn is highly popular, and it would be unexpected in the end. Give it a chance and mull it over, sleep on it and somebody come up with an idea.

Xerxex on Jul 20, 2008

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Bring in Thalia al Ghul. That could make things interesting by tying it to the first one.

Spencer on Jul 20, 2008

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Nice #16 going back to the original story is a good idea.

Xerxex on Jul 20, 2008

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I think it would be cool to continue with the jokers idea of he and batman being the same. Now that batman has been cast out of gothams favor, this film could be about how he realizes how similar he is to the costumed villians or "freaks". This would be made worse by the people he is trying to protect also associating him with them, so he ends up becoming confused and lost in this limbo between people who accept him but he must fight and people who hate and fear him but he must protect.

The problem with this is that with heath ledger dead i dont think they should do the joker again, and he is the main reason why batman has any connection to the "freaks". Joker is the dark side of batman and without him he wouldnt be able to see their similarities or his place among them.

Lono on Jul 20, 2008

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So with the introduction of mister reese ( Mysteries…the riddler), since he knows that batman saved him while the whole city is attacking him for him to tell them who batman is he won't tell them and will become the outcast of the city right along with batman. he will then become the riddler i imagine and the third movie will revolve around batman running from city and trying to prove to not only himself but the city that he is fact a beacon of light and all the while MR. reese will be slowly taking over the city.

bobo on Jul 20, 2008

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Ok so the question is how can you make a movie better than TDK. simple, bring back TIM BURTON.

If the plans were to make a sequel with the joker in it, it's gonna be hard to replace Heath Ledger but i think Johnny Depp would make a good joker.

If not then they can put Jack Nicholson, they can just say he was in jail foreverr and escaped.
They shouldn't hesitate to make a 3rd movie, yeah it's true a lot of movies go down the toilet after a sequel but anyone that went to the movies in 2007 can realize that there CAN be successful trilogies. Have you heard of The Bourne franchise? maybe the Mummy?? or how about some Pirates of the Caribean? maybe SpiderMan?? even though the 3rd one sucked it's still made some serious money.

Jesse on Jul 20, 2008

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the name of third installment should be the chronicles of gotham. And the villan should be either one of the following riddler,bain or scarface.

Darrin on Jul 20, 2008

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I'm wondering if Nolan can tell the story of Robin properly. It will be tough, sure, since the mainstream non-comic book readers can't take Robin seriously. But based on the success of Dark Knight, I have a feeling that Nolan _can_ bring out Robin properly. I think the key to a good Robin storyline in this case would be relatability.

But who would play Robin?

I also think a 3rd film would also be a good chance to introduce Renee Montoya and the first Clayface.

…. ((with Penelope Cruz as Montoya ((IF!! She can take the role seriously)) and Denzel Washington as Clayface))

LW on Jul 20, 2008

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The joker should be played by johnny depp if they do it again or have the penguin come back

mike moggs on Jul 20, 2008

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And to #21

Edward Nygma is the Riddler… not Mister Reese.

LW on Jul 20, 2008

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I have seen Batman Begins and The Dark Knight and I believe that there is a few possible ways to take this franchise. First, Just end it with the dark knight because it was amazing. Second, make another film and bring in someone like the riddler, the mad hatter, or the black mask, those are all characters that christopher nolan could definately work well with. I mean the joker doesnt have to have a black suit. This is a new era and nolan could even introduce a new character or a lesser know character to the trilogy. Lastly, make a movie that spins it in another direction, yes batman becomes a villian and jus like in spider man two gives batman up for a little while which could give time for a an archenimy to form and rise. I think Christopher Nolan will shock and suprise everyone with the way he takes this trilogy. Jus forget about Catwoman and the peguin its not goin to happen itle screw up everything these two films have built. And in my opinion Batman begins wasn't the greatest but it was still way better than any of the previous batman movies. Batman begins had to be made to start the franchise…

Kayleb on Jul 20, 2008

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Is this contest open for countries other than the US?

Vik on Jul 20, 2008

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I completely agree with using Thalia al Ghul, and by association, Ras al Ghul. It's always nice to bookend a narrative cycle. Not only that but its very feasible. A) He "died" off screen, and B) Even if he did die he can be resurrected via the Lazarus Pit.

Option B actually leads me to hope for one of my favorite Batman comic scenarios. Batman fights his way into Ras' inner keep and is only moments from stopping him when Ras points to two figures hanging over the pit. He tells Batman he understands what pushed him to become this way-and if he'll look the other way just this once he can have his parents back. Heheheh. . .evil bastard!

KiCowboy on Jul 20, 2008

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#10 was actually a very good idea
:]
I can see Paul Giamatti as Cobblepots, and Batman vs Dent trying to bring him down…

I bet something awesome can totally come out from there…and hell…throw in a 3rd villain just to spice it up…

lol
what about that one guy who carries a dummy with a tommy gun?…

Carlos on Jul 20, 2008

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Just submitted my idea. It's about Bruce giving up the Batman costume and isolating himself, but after a string of bank robberies from a "copy cat" criminal he puts the mask back on, and meets this new female "copy cat" villain who's apparently a puppet in someone else's big scheme.

I'm not gonna say who my villains are, only the person who reads my e-mail and whoever they tell will know, but I'll give you a hint. The female isn't Catwoman.

Kail on Jul 20, 2008

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I think that the next villian should definetly be the riddler. This i believe could work the act that they choose for the role just can't play the riddler to much like the joker. Yes we all know that riddler and joker are similar but if they can get an actor to bring out the distinct differences between them it could work.


The actor that i think could pull it off is Johnny Depp. If not give it to Jim Carey again why not?
Or Connan O'brien jk jk.

benje81 on Jul 20, 2008

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Great idea, Alex.

Can any of the citizens of Gotham sue Batman for property damage?

I think they should do what made the first film so great and pick lesser known but very treacherous villains. They're out there, too. I just think if you do Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin, etc., it's a little safer. And so far, they haven't done anything safe.

Colin Boyd on Jul 20, 2008

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this idea could work.
batman becomes infected by a radioactive slime from another planet, splits into an alternative batman with a white suit, fends off catwoman and the penguin all in time to dance down the street pointing and jestering with a earnest message about truth and caring at the end….

bassbin on Jul 20, 2008

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Sent mine in! WOO!

movieraider321 on Jul 20, 2008

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So in the third one Edward Nigma is a genius working with apes. An ape bites him and he gets a bizarre strain of AIDS that causes him to speak in the form of a question, all the time. As a reult he decided to start robbing banks. He's pissed off all the time. He sends a one-page letter to the Joker wherein he says the word "cock" seventy five times.

On the other side of the city, Selina Kyle is raped by a black drug dealer she was trying to buy some cats from. She decided to dress like a cat so she can buy guns from her blind-yet-audial-sensitive arms dealer (The Penguin? Wanda Sykes?) and go kill the guy. After she kills him she decides that she can kill more people robbing banks.

The Riddler and Catwoman run into eachother while robbing a bank. Catwoman sucks Riddler's dick while he punches her repeatedly in the face. Batman shows up, and before he can catch them, he is struck in the face by "Riddle Gas," which is a green fog that makes you quesstion your own fallacies.

That's all I got right now.

DCompose on Jul 20, 2008

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With Batman Evil in the eyes of Gotham there is only one solution turn to Metropolis for help Superman VS Batman DC Comics ties the 2 in, Just like Marvel is Doing With The Avengers, Mark my words…..

Fish on Jul 20, 2008

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i think bringing back two face is the obvious choice , especially with this conflicting personallity he has to deal with , and then introducing a new villian as well , because i dont think two face died , especially when nolan showed his coin landing on heads when him and bale fell over the side , so i dont think he is dead .

vanstone on Jul 20, 2008

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Nothing like a contest to bring out the best in the few and the absurdly worst in most!!!! Some folks are just being plain stupid with their posts!!!

Pickle on Jul 20, 2008

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nothing will compare to the joker as the villain

matt on Jul 20, 2008

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I think that they should stick with mob bosses who can now rise to power now that Batman and Harvey Dent are out of the picture. What about having the character "Hangman" trying to kill various member of the Gotham Police Department who helped Harvey Dent rise to fame. This may help Batman become the hero again like people mentioned before which would make a good ending to the trilogy.

I didnt catch it when I saw the movie but Alfred's line about stopping "cats" is a pretty big foreshadowing of whats to come…

radioactvman on Jul 20, 2008

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they should have the riddler be a serial killer type just like kevin spacey in the movie "Seven"

gold on Jul 20, 2008

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"The Dark Knight" has already made $195,340,000 Worldwide!!!!!!!! And most people HERE, still haven't seen it, yet!!!!!!

And it is still yet to be released in the UK.

This movie is incredible!!!!!!!

Brian on Jul 20, 2008

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#38 Two Face died because of 2 seperate reasons*irony?* The coin he flipped was for Gordon's Son not himself, he flipped his coin earlier and said 'Well I'm safe" also at the end of the film Gordon was eulogizing him. THE END

movieraider321 on Jul 20, 2008

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#10 Pretty good idea, but remember Batman told Gordon NOT TO TELL ANYONE about Two Face EVER! Because Batman can take the heat, he can be hated, but Harvey Dent needed to remain a good symbol for Gotham City.

movieraider321 on Jul 20, 2008

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The mobster that batman dropped and broke his legs (falconie?)….walking around with a cane now….sounds like the penguin to me…

Foxen09 on Jul 20, 2008

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patricia is a stupid whore who i hope dies

greg on Jul 20, 2008

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Okay, Jesse #22, either you are completely joking or you are a complete idiot. That being said, here's my take on things, and this is not considering Heath Ledger's untimely death.

They probably can't replace him, and I don't think they should, but in a perfect world I think the Joker needs to come back for the third installment, and I am pretty sure that those were the initial plans. You don't create such an iconic character and NOT kill him off at the end. I think there was obvious intention to bring him back… So finally, here's my angle:

Two-Face is clearly the villain to lead into the third film. The entire focus of TDK was on Harvey and his transformation. We will now get the opportunity to see what this villain is truly capable of. He's not just a common criminal. We had Ra's Al Ghul in the first film whose goal was to cleanse societies of their filth and corruption to create a pure and better world from scratch. We had the Joker whose goal was the complete opposite, as he tried to reveal the weaknesses of people, exploit them and create chaos to intentionally turn people against one another for no true purpose other than his own enjoyment of watching the destruction of the human psyche.

Now, with Two-Face we have a completely new kind of villain. A man who started with a grand and commendable vision, but whose great loss was the tipping point for him to turn against those who he had helped and hoped would be their to save him and those he cared for. This isn't just revenge. This is taking the demon in all of us, and setting it free. He is a huge threat to Gotham. He knows the inner workings of the city. he knows what buttons need to be pushed. He was the DA, a sly and methodical person who can manipulate things for his own case. And most importantly, he wants Batman dead. But I don't think he can do it alone. He needs someone's help. I think he is afraid to try and free the Joker, who could easily take things in the wrong direction. So he invests his time into finding a professional who has control over the side of things he knows little about. Warfare, terrorism, arms, etc… The Penguin.

So introduce the Penguin (I think Philip Seymour Hoffman would be PERFECT), a former CIA operative gone rogue as a blackmarket arms dealer. An cunningly intelligent man who has let the corruption of the world destroy his morals, and who gets a thrill in contributing to an organized plan of attack. But I think this is where things go wrong. The Penguin is too cunning for Two-Face's own good, and takes things into his own hands. Two-Face loses control over his own grand scheme, and the Penguin heads the movement to take down Gotham. By the end of the film, Harvey Dent's Two-Face comes full circle, regretting his turn to evil and helps Batman by revealing key locations and people involved with the destruction of Gotham.

I am convinced that there were intentions to bring The Joker back into the mix, and what better way to round out this trilogy than to bring him back in a trial throughout the film, then break him out of prison for an incredible last third of the film. He doesn't like what he sees. He doesn't like that Two-Face has lost control, and he especially doesn't like this Penguin fella taking control of things. So he should be the one to take out the Penguin, leaving the ultimate showdown to Batman vs the Joker. And I don't mean Batman just so happens to find the Joker in some lame construction building. The Joker lures Batman into a huge trap, making him a part of his unfinished game. But this time, the Joker wants blood. Or at least that's what he thinks, but he can't kill Batman when he gets the opportunity. He can't destroy his equal. In some accident at the end of the showdown though, something happens to the Joker, Batman tries to save him, but it's too late. The Joker is dead.

Now, of course we can't forget about Batman himself. He is left extremely weak in the end of the second film. The people of Gotham will be after him. As Bruce Wayne settles back into the mansion, he will have to rethink his approach. He can't hang up his cape and cowl yet because Two-Face is about to let hell rain down on Gotham, but he takes a huge risk by doing nothing and watching his town burn to the ground. This film would be about a true hero who has to fight for what he knows is right, even if the masses are against him. It would be about discovering that even a symbol has limits, and that your strength has to be within your self and not dependent on something or someone else (Rachel). I think Batman will stand to stay in Gotham by the end of this film, realizing that the world is a better place if it can take care of itself, but that the duty of a hero is never done.

Marty Martin - IMAGEN Films on Jul 20, 2008

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Christopher Nolan is certainly one of the best directors to have graced Hollywood in recent history or ever. He is now faced with what only a few have been faced with. Can he match this movie, doubtful, but he can make a third film that solidifies an open story to one of the greatest trilogy's ever. With the box office numbers coming in so strong, I think of James Cameron and how intimidated by his Titantic success he was. Who wouldn't be. Goyer said he does not no how they could make a third as good, and Nolan said that they put everything they could come up with in this film to make a sequel that would be better than the first. I think they are telling the truth, but sat the same time that is certainly spin. They clearly have an agenda for the third.

The arc of Harvey Dent was the central plot line to the Dark Knight, but the idea of Dent being Gotham future was only meant to shadow the sub plot, that Batman is the Gotham city's true hero, sacrificing everything he has for the peolpe he cares about, faceless and nameless peolpe. A man who grew up with everything in the material world a man could want, but was robbed of what all decent men yearn for( love/ family). His pain and suffering are the hopes of Gotham and Batman is her future. In the third film the show down for the soul of the city will come to a head. Harvey Dent is not dead, we know that from the interviews with Eckheart. Batman will battle Harvey to realize his own destiny and understand the true scope of his contribution as batman. The city will find that there greatest gift was man who takes no credit for anything he accomplishes and always put the needs of the people first. He will battle Harvey and in the search for indentity, Batman will win. Over Harvey, Two Face, and Bruce. I could see the riddler or the penguin as characters, and either way I would like to see Edward Norton play the character. I think that making Norton the penguin as an arms dealer that is a little more cool and smooth, and working with dent would make for good fun, and serve the true purpose of the story, to solidify Batman's Legend. I would love the title to be Batman:Legend or simply Batman since he will have found his true place hoisted upon gothams buildings by its citizens.
Nolan will do a third, knows what he wants to do on some level, and is going to make sure that he gets paid very well, just like Favereu did with Iron Man. They both deserve it.

Tyler on Jul 20, 2008

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The key thing to remember here is what Nolan has done with the series. As with Spiderman 3, it's a BAD idea to make things more supernatural. We all love Venom, sure, but his institution into Spiderman 3 (along with The Sandman's shaky back story) detracted a lot of the realism that had been generated. Nolan won't do something like Clayface or Mr. Freeze because they don't play into his style. It's hard to imagine the Penguin being brought back, either. Although, his darkness might fit the mold. It's kind of sad because with Ledger still alive, there's no end in sight. With the Joker playing main fiddle, the villains could be endless. With him gone, it's hard to imagine who could carry the "dark" side like Ledger's Joker did. The bar is set ridiculously high now.

Nate on Jul 20, 2008

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What about a fem fatal? Not Catwoman, not Posion Ivy, but Harley Quinn. Now I know that I've said a lot about this possible plot line but it holds a lot of ideas. Bruce Wayne lost Rachel Dawes, the woman he loved. Now Quinn could come as his new love interest and betray him in the end and he is forced to bring her down. I know Joker and Quinn have a sort of Romance invloved in the stories. Now Nolan could make her Joker's number one fan, and try to copy cat him. First demoralize Batman/Bruce Wayne, second start attacking Gotham, attacking the people. And finally attempt to become Jokers counter part, as the most vicious enemy Batman has ever fought against. Its an idea that needs more time to grow.

NOW DOES ANYBODY SEE THIS AS A POSSIBLE STORY LINE FOR BATMAN?

Xerxex on Jul 20, 2008

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#48, I think your Hoffman arms dealer character is the villain from Mission Impossible 3. And… I think he died in that movie.

Alfred on Jul 20, 2008

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If Nolan decides to continue with the third installment…he will do it without replacing the Ledger with another actor. Consider the Joker finished for the series…unless he's simply mentioned from here on out.

To keep the series realistic and marketable is the key…so introducing a minor character that mainstream audiences do not know would be a long stretch. Plus..to do so would not be a step towards attempting to step the series up. Let's not say we're trying to do better than TDK, but that we're looking to keep it relevant and comparable in scope.

We're going to need to two villains.

The enemy will now come from within Gotham. With the manhunt on for Batman and Gordon being the only one who knows the truth, it'll be a tough one for the commissioner as well. He faces competition and distrust from his own police officers…especially the new head of the special crimes unit that he used to head up. The new villian will be in league with the cops and will use an external force (another villian) to lure Batman in. This external force could be The Riddler…really only a puppet…but still a factor of "elevation" which requires Batman's attention.

In the story the Riddler, though a serious threat, could end up only being a ploy—an actual attempt to recreat the panic of the Joker by an internal threat. This internal threat could be posed by Black Mask or Thalia Al Ghul among other possibilities.

There is also the possible threat to Bruce Wayne…not just Batman. He could have competition from another billionaire, whom will use criminal means to become the next "prince of gotham". This could be Oswald Cobblepot's chance. "Penguin" would have to be the name his competitors and associates give him based on his physical appearance…which would make him very self-conscious and eventually ruthless. It would be feasible.

I think both of these plots could work well.

Parr on Jul 20, 2008

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I would really, really like to see Nolan avoiding characters with mysterious special powers or anything too cartoony. I like what he's doing with the series. Then again, the Joker seems cartoony, right? But he pulled that off and made him a living, breathing, believable being.

Shoop on Jul 20, 2008

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Hmm… seems I'm the only one to mention Robin so far… :/

Oh well, I guess after, "Batman Forever", it's hard for any non-comic book reader to take Robin seriously :/. Too bad really.

LW on Jul 20, 2008

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500 words minium or max?

And with the way nolan is running things I cant see a lazerus pit or a soap opera
cop out like bringing two face back from the apparent dead.

Rodan8812 on Jul 20, 2008

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batman vs. chuck norris!!

mike on Jul 20, 2008

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I'm not a comic book reader but I think I know enough to say or put my ideas out there for all of you!

I think that the joker should be in the 3rd flim but the bar as joker is set way to high for another actor to replace him. The joker is the main villian of batman because they are complete opposites of each other! They should have more two-face in the 3rd movie because TDK showed how he became two-face and how he thinks. Two-face should team up with the riddler and I think Edward Norton would be a great choice for the riddler. But some how there must be away to have the joker in this flim and have the joker break outta of jail and find out who is trying to take over his job has the main vilian of Gotham!! it should end with a battle with the batman vs. joker infront of the the city if gotham and its citizens to show them that batman is the hero that protects them and takes no credit for it!!

wild weed on Jul 20, 2008

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I vote for Harley Quinn as the next villain. They can't continue the Joker without Ledger, but they can continue the Joker's spirit through Harley Quinn. I say they build on the success they've had with the Joker as a villain and continue his story with Harley. Whoever plays Harley would definitely need to be inspired by Heath Ledger's role as the Joker.

Musicman on Jul 20, 2008

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I haven't gotten to read all the posts, so if anyone's thought of this already, forgive me.

What if they bring in Harley Quinn, and tie her character to the Joker's origin story about having a wife with a carved face? Sure it would stray pretty far from the original character, but would make a great movie.

TCox on Jul 20, 2008

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Yeah, I'll agree that a femme fatale should be part of the third film. It is really the one element that could make Batman's character even more vulnerable and susceptible to defeat.

I think Two-Face is a given though. He didn't die. it looked like he did, but there is no evidence that he actually did.

And the more I think about it, Bruce Wayne needs to be openly at risk here as well. If it is just Batman then we are just following the other films. But to follow the progression of Batman as a character, we need to not only put Batman at risk, but Bruce Wayne as well. His character hasn't really evolved and seems far to separate from his dark alter-ego. The two need to come together both physically and figuratively.

Marty Martin - IMAGEN Films on Jul 20, 2008

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#60 HARLEY QUINN should be brought in for a love interest for BRUCE and an enemy for Batman, she can hide her evil alter ego from him and battle him on the side. Then they both learn of each others secrets and then the rest could play out.

Somebody finally is on the same page!

Xerxex on Jul 20, 2008

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A bit too much like Batman Returns with Catwoman, but I do think something along this dynamic needs to happen.

Marty Martin - IMAGEN Films on Jul 20, 2008

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Two-Face didn't die he was still breathing look closely his stomach is raising. when was there a funeral for Harvey? the movie ended as Batman got onto the highway i don't recall seeing a funeral.
I posted my story its called Shadow of the Bat (a title i got off DC comics message board)
my story is basically two years have passed since Dark Knight the number of freaks in gotham as grown and the mob is trying to rebuild thus a war against the mob and the Freaks (Paul Giamatti as Penguin hmm good idea) collateral damage brings Dick Grayson into the picture (The kid from sweeny todd the demon barber of fleet street (the costume from Jim Lee's All-star Batman and Robin before he went old school with it)) it ends with Batman restoring his name and all that stuff. it begins a new chapter of the Batman begins series (as BB and DK are one chapter) number 6 i agree the cgi wasn't all that good for Two-Face but as for Batman knowning about the death threat number of possiblities he saw joker and his thugs on an elevator camera or he has the bat computer moniter for things like that maybe alfred was in the kitchen and saw it on tv and warned Bruce. Nolan and company were already pushing it with the time he said they shaved off like ten minutes from the film just except things happen of screen besides he's Batman (not a perfect excuse but in the comics he knows everything and we never find out how he just knows) and Bruce just took the tumbler wasn't to concerned about someone blackmailing him as it didnt pertain to the mission; and Bruce is always alone its the price of being Batman he cant have a normal life. I think Nolan could do Robin justice honestly just keep move Robin into Batman's dark bleak world and not move Batman into a child's fantasy world. 21 while we have no way of knowing until the sequel (if and when) but Joker letting someone who knows Batman's idenitity live is very unlikely. Taila's last name is Head not Al Ghoul. and instead of lazarus pit right before the train crashed Ra's closed his eyes how about he transfered his spirit? like Ken Wantabe was the real Ra's until he died in the temple fire and transfered his spirit to Ducard? For a romantic interest I say catwoman (the whole secret life thing they both share) and bring in all the villians its do able it really is.

Samuel Anderson on Jul 20, 2008

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I think you should put in Bane, Robin, and Clayface. I also think they should bring back Ra's Al Ghul. He isn't dead because he has the Lazarus Pit to keep him immortal. The life of Clayface should be told and he should be in right away. Defeat him right away and try to get him help. Then, have the story of Robin. When Bane comes in, have Robin leave like he does in the comics. Make Bane hard to beat. Then have Ra's jump in. You don't fight him until the end. Then, have Clayface break free and have Robin come back as Nightwing in the end to help take out Bane and Clayface. Then find Ra's in the end on his new island of League Of Shadow ninjas and have Ra's almost destroy Nightwing but Batman comes back and they both fight Ra's and put him in prison.

Matthew Kraning on Jul 20, 2008

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Isn't Ra's Al Goul imortal? i dont think that train wreck killed him. after the joker the penguin is a bad idea. ridler would have to be like the villian in Seven for it to b good. no robin. two face is dead. catwoman is a waste. scarecrow maybe. topping ledger will b tough. i think nolan will find something.

Foxy on Jul 20, 2008

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#46 - That was Sal Maroni. In the comics, he was the one who scarred Dent's face with acid. And it's not clear if he's even alive after the car overturned in TDK.

#64 - Her name is Talia al Ghul. Talia Head is an alias.

Anyways, I think this contest is a pretty cool idea, though I can't think of a story to write myself. And while I would be a big fan of the return of Ra's al Ghul, I think the idea of a Lazarus pit might be too far-fetched for the universe Nolan has created. I think that's also why he won't use characters like Freeze and Ivy.

Navo on Jul 20, 2008

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Er… three posters I've already seen and a Hardcover copy of a thin graphic novel that I've already read… is it really worth it?

Xypher on Jul 20, 2008

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Maybe i'm being too arrogant, but i think its pretty obvious where a third could head. Given that the Nolan's and Goyer are hugely respectful of the Frank Miller initiated take on batman one might assume a 'dark victory' type storyline where the freaks emerge from everywhere to rule the city.

Yet given the Begins & TDK style i think we would be loooking at something much deeper, ala the dark knight returns. Except batman is not older. This type of storyline is given more weight when one considers the emergence of the copycat batmans in TDK. So essentially the city falls into chaos as the established orders (as in mob, DA, Police force, even the batman) have now been disrupted, as predicted by the joker, ordinary citizens do progress to turn on themselves and various gangs emerge. In a small section of the community the batmans actions have unintentionally inspired an army of followers who have lost all faith in gotham, they act on his examples yet without his blessing. For whatever reason (insert preferred villain with grand scheme here), the city becomes completely isolated and plunged into darkness. The various gangs create havoc, causing the batman to enlist the help of his followers to re-establish order. They succeed, batman defeats (insert preferred villain), all just as the sun rises in gotham.

Thus the batman is redeemed, the city is allowed to save itself (which is what the league of shadows wanted, yet batman is vindicated in achieveing the same goal without killing), and batman becomes something more than one man, a symbol and a legend, forever watching over gotham.

This is also quite nicely tied into the themes of the previous two films while still allowing its own independant progression to the story.

Rick on Jul 20, 2008

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There was a funeral for Harvey Dent. James Gordon was eulogizing him at the end! I don't want to be rude, because I'm actually a pretty nice guy, but seriously… did you guys watch this movie, or was the 2.5 hours too long for your attention spans?

That should be evidence enough for any sane person to believe that Harvey Dent will not make another appearance as Twoface in the third movie, unless you're foolish enough to actually think that all of the cops at the warehouse, including Jim Gordon, just up and left his body there and he got up later. I mean, seriously? I guess when he was eulogizing his friend, the coffin was empty and he was like, "Well, oops. Guess we forgot him at the warehouse. Oh wellz! He'll be back!"

Do you walk out of well-explaned movies with thoughts like this in your head? They don't have to make a whole scene out of something for it to be "explained". Use critical thinking to fill in the rest!

R?'s al Gh?l was something of an immortal in the comic book series, yes, but if you've noticed, Nolan's films have been all about making the campy seem as realistic as possible. To accomplish this with R?'s al Gh?l, they merged him with an entirely separate character from Batman comic mythos, Henri Ducard, which made the character but a mere mortal. And he died a mortal's death at the end of Batman Begins. He won't be coming back.

Scarecrow would have been a decent choice if they hadn't made him such a farce in TDK's opening scenes. Still, maybe there's room for redemption as a respectable villain in the third film, who knows.

Catwoman is a likely choice for the third movie. The "cat" reference in TDK all but confirms this. Halle Berry's disaster of a movie has tarnished the name of Catwoman, and you can just imagine David S. Goyer and the Nolan brothers scheming about how to make that character seem less ridiculous by introducing her into their new hit franchise.

The movie was an obvious setup for a Joker return, but that idea is now marginal with the death of Heath Ledger. Don't expect anybody to even think about writing a script, directing a movie, or choosing to act as the character after such an iconic last performance to Ledger. Nobody would freaking dare to look like such a Hollywood huckster.

As for my guesses about the story, I think that they will attempt to wrap things up in the third movie. I think this will be a self-contained three movie story arc, as somebody has to realize that we'll go straight to schlock once again after Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale bow out of the series. Batman dying or Bruce Wayne being exposed could possibly play into that, but overall, I can just about guarantee you'll feel some closure in some thematic way by the end of the third movie.

My guesses as to the villains would be Catwoman, Black Mask, and Holiday and/or The Hangman. These are the remaining villains that best play into Nolan's dark themes.

James Silveus on Jul 20, 2008

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SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!




Hey James, maybe he will pull a joker and pretend to be dead in a bodybag? You never know, he could overtake Gordan really easy and just run, or gordan might escape with him and take him to like arkham and keep him there. I just can't see anybody could be so positive he is dead, you didn't see a coffin, him being actually dead, or anything. And Nolan showed us DENT being dead, by batman showing just his good side, which i took it as meaning Dent is dead, but two face is alive.

Coolness on Jul 20, 2008

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Batman would never enlist the help of others.

Marty Martin - IMAGEN Films on Jul 20, 2008

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~Batmans Demise~
Ok… a few things about the movie first. I was reading above and saw that someone else saw that Harvey "Two Face" Dent was still breathing, which could possibly be an accident who knows. Anyway they have not officially killed him just yet. Aaron Eckhart is way to good of an actor for director Christopher Nolan to pass up on. Even in Ledgers real life death which was a tragedy, the joker could be anybody due to Heath Ledgers amazing make up artists. The Joker has and will always be Batman's greatest villain. The Joker was last seen hanging upside down dangling over the busy streets of Gotham city. The Batman makes a hasty escape when flashlights come up the stairs possibly the police or Jokers henchman. Either way the Joker is out and back on the town. In the middle of the movie Joker gave the police and Batman a choice. Save Rachel "Maggie Gyllenhaal" or Harvey Dent "Aaron Eckhart," Batman chooses Harvey for the reason he can save Gotham city. One lives and one dies were lead to believe that Rachel is the one that perishes. The Joker hurts people by attacking their hearts not always trying to kill them. For instance, the bank at the beginning of the movie when Joker had put a grenade into Harvey Dent's mouth; we were lead to believe that it was a explosive grenade which we know its just smoke. Now whats the one thing that will bring The Batman to his knees, Rachel. Lets say the Joker lied and she was not on the street that he told Batman she was on. The explosion of her building was just a set up to make Harvey "Two Face" Dent hate The Batman, which inherently worked. The Jokers next move is to make Rachel believe that Harvey Dent is dead because of Batman. After a long while the process works thus introducing the next villain, Jokers right hand women. Harley Quinn "Maggie Gyllenhaal" who has the face and the body to tackle the role of Harley. Here we have one hell of a plot. The traditional Batman vs Joker and Harley Quinn who Batman does not know is Rachel. At the same time Batman is challenged by Two face who is still angry he let Rachel die. The Joker struggles to keep "Two Face" from knowing Rachel's alive, and they all want the same thing "kill the Batman." Now how about that for a triple threat. In the end Harvey finds Rachel is alive which sparks her memories of him. Bruce Wayne is forced to let her go, and the Joker is the only one who basically gets "bitch slapped."

Sorry thats a lot to read.

Jay Baldridge on Jul 20, 2008

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i agree with #16 going to original is the best nolan will surprise every one with the third one tittle should be gotham some how have johnny depp in the story

alan on Jul 20, 2008

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People reading comments into a discussion whose premise is "where will the new Batman series go next" should assume spoilers by default and avoid the conversation altogether. I have no sympathy for anybody who is spoiled by anything I or anybody else here has said.

In any case, in response to the counterpoint to my argument, yes.. they could, if they wanted to throw sense out of the window just to give Twoface some more screentime. But should they, or would they? It's doubtful.

Harvey Dent was the main character of The Dark Knight, essentially. I didn't bother timing, but it at least felt like he had the most screen time out of every principal character in that movie. He was the real counterpoint to Batman/Bruce Wayne, the Joker was more like a force of nature or deus ex machina; without rhyme or reason (or even a backstory, he frequently lied about his just to prove that to us!), he moved the plot and gave context to Batman's exploits, but it was Harvey Dent's spiralling fall into becoming Twoface, a sort of dark mirror to Batman's own origin story in the first film, that was the meat of the film.

My question is, beyond it not only be practically unsensible to "resurrect" Twoface just so he can flip coins and shoot folks in the third movie because HE DIED in The Dark Knight, why do you need to see him do that? His story is complete, and it was fantastic just the way it was.

James Silveus on Jul 20, 2008

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to #73

Dr. Harley Quinzell is Harley Quinn, not Rachel

Dr. Quinzell was raped by the Joker and manipulated as well.

LW on Jul 20, 2008

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i think # 73 has a good idea three against one

alan on Jul 20, 2008

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ok, this needs to be settled.

DID TWO-FACE DIE OR NOT?

i say he died.

Matt Suhu on Jul 20, 2008

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to #70

The funeral, the way I see it, is a cover-up for Harvey Dent having become Two-Face. This way, whatever Two-Face does in the future, it will never tarnish Dent, cause people will just be like, "I swear that guy looks so familiar", ((in which case Two-Face will flip a coin and kill him/her after)).

Batman is willing to go to extremes to protect Gotham's 'White Knight', so a cover-up funeral isn't out of the question.

LW on Jul 20, 2008

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71… There was no funeral, and if there was, it was a coverup. Batman made it clear to Gordon that they couldn't reveal what happened to Harvey Dent and had to portray him as a savior. So as far as I am concerned, this eulogy was put together to keep the people of Gotham content and hopeful. In fact, this is exactly what happened. And I don't believe they would take an entire film to set up and develop a tragic character like Two-Face (in fact the entire focus of the film was on Dent) and just off him in a matter of minutes. We explored his good side for an entire film and how it was turned to evil. Now is the time to explore his tragic side, which given the emotional exploration they put into TDK, means Two-Face will realize his mistakes by the end of the 3rd film to round out his character emotionally. Of course this will all come before he dies in some tragic manner. Nolan is too smart to have made Dent a disposable character for TDK. And I really think that Two-Face has a LOT of potential for film 3 to really go off the deep end and become a terribly dark villain.

As for Catwoman, I say no way. She would have to be a love interest of Bruce Wayne's and it's been done already. I think Nolan will go in an unexpected direction.

And yeah, you're right I think. The Joker was set up for a third film. What a damn tragedy! Now HE would have rounded out the trilogy with a bang. Call me crazy and throw tomatoes and bricks at my face, but if they could pull off the Joker in 100% convincing CG and dub his voice, I would say do it. but this is my wishful thinking. it's not possible, and it would be stupid to try. But in a dreamworld, I would say they should consider it.

Marty Martin - IMAGEN Films on Jul 20, 2008

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They ARE covering things up already, they're covering up the killing spree he already did in TDK. The funeral was there to help cement Dent's image as "The White Knight", while Batman takes the heat for killing people associated with the Joker in the wake of his warehouse and hospital bombing.

Why does this all have to be an elaborate ruse for a Twoface return? And moreover, what do you expect him to do in the third movie if he was brought back? Don't you think that the emotional impact of his lapse into Twoface would be shamed if he came back?

For example, look at the way Batman is handled in the second film. Because we've moved out of Batman's origin story, the movie starts out with the cops dealing with Batman under the tables. The emotional impact of Bruce Wayne becoming Batman is mute, and it's more like business as usual. That's part of the reason why he's plays third fiddle despite being the movie's apparent headliner and main character.

The whole movie was about the tragedy of Harvey Dent's final days, and how situations and manipulations can make even the best of men go bad. There was an emotional impact in Twoface's last moments in the warehouse with Gordon's family.

Does it make sense to just bring him back like they did Scarecrow in TDK? Flip some coins, shoot some folks, get taken out? Business as usual.

It would do a disservice to the entire second film.

James Silveus on Jul 20, 2008

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73… Rachel is dead buddy. The flames rushing toward her ugly little face told me so…

Secondly, when did the Joker out a grenade in Harvey Dent's mouth in the beginning? Do you mean in the bank, with the bank manager? That wasn't Harvey. And not a real grenade, just smoke? Why do you think a line was strung from the grenade and into the bus? Where did that big explosion come from? From the bank manager's mouth, that's where. Go watch the movie again.

Marty Martin - IMAGEN Films on Jul 20, 2008

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I gotta go with #79 on this one. I felt like it was more a cover up than an actual funeral. It was such a big deal for Batman to protect Dent's image, that he himself took the blame for Harvey's murders.

With the dath of Ledger, it seems logical for the Nolan brothers to do what they do and make the impossible seem possible.

With all the twists and turns in The Dark Knight, it should be obvious to everyone who has seen it, that nothing is exactly as it seems.

As I said before in #10: Bring in Penguin, and have Harvey Two-Face resurface.

Another thing to consider is: Where did all the money go that Lau hid? He was locked away, and the Joker didn't have it. Someone knows where it is. Why not let that be a starting point of Batman 3? The Penguin could very well be the man in possesion of the money (and power) and the remaining (or should I say living) crime bosses could be trying to get it back.

The logical explanation for The Jokers absense in the next movie would be to just say that he was apprehended and sent to Arkham Asylum.

I like the idea of Harley Quinn being worked in somewhere. Maybe she could be the one taking over Joker's operations while he's away.

TCox on Jul 20, 2008

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81… I would just argue that we only see the transition of Harvey Dent into Two-Face. He does not yet understand the potential he has and only plays around with his uncontrollable emotions in the end of the film. There is no exploration into the dynamic of who he is as a villain now. The entire film was a setup for Two-Face. We have no idea how extreme he can be and how deep his hatred runs.

Marty Martin - IMAGEN Films on Jul 20, 2008

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This is not a suggestion or idea for a third film, but it is a thought:

Wether we like it or not, Catwoman plays a huge part in the Batman saga. And like I said, I'm not saying, "put her in the third film" or anything… all I'm saying is that Catwoman is a major character in Gotham. Maybe… maybe one day Nolan can make a film called, "Catwoman: A Gotham Tale", ((or something like that)), with the obvious magic Nolan-touch and bring back some dignity to her character like he did with Batman… maybe.

Also, on a side note, before it can be bought up: Not Black Canary. Her storyline is far too locked and interwoven within the DC Universe, with so many characters, that it's impossible to just have 'explained' in a third Batman movie.

and to #83

That money was burned. You probably missed it… I don't know how.. it was a huge scene! lol

LW on Jul 20, 2008

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** sorry, meant to say:

and to #83

That money was burned. You probably missed it… I don't know how you missed it.. it was a huge scene! lol

LW on Jul 20, 2008

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#73:

"Save Rachel "Maggie Gyllenhaal" or Harvey Dent "Aaron Eckhart," Batman chooses Harvey for the reason he can save Gotham city."

"For instance, the bank at the beginning of the movie when Joker had put a grenade into Harvey Dent's mouth; we were lead to believe that it was a explosive grenade which we know its just smoke."

just curious, did you watch the same movie as the rest of us…?

ok_wtf on Jul 20, 2008

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BIG QUESTION
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How did joker get the money to burn? I thought Lau had transported all of the mob's cash to Hong Kong.
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Don't get me wrong. I think the movie is a master-piece, and I'm all about suspending my disbelief, but this was the one thing that I couldn't fill the gap in for myself.

Ryan on Jul 20, 2008

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84.. I would respectfully disagree, as Harvey Dent was written for the screen in a more traditional revenge film style, and reintroducing him into the third film would be The Road Warrior to Mel Gibson's Mad Max. After accomplishing what his psyche transformed to do, he drives off into the night, to become something incredibly more overproduced, predictable, and boring.

This is coming from a guy who thought Eckhart's performance in TDK was the most deft, if not as iconic and scene-stealing as Ledger's. It is perhaps this respect of his performance and the amount of screen time the character got that I feel his story, in cinematic terms, is satisfactorily closed. If this were a TV series or a comic book, I'm sure he'd be back the next issue and would go on dying and coming back for decades, but in the context of a film series, I think I've seen enough of Twoface.

There are still many villains of the Batman mythos that can be reworked into believable characters and placed into Nolan's series. Black Mask was actually rumored to be in the second film in its early stages of screenwriting, but was cut by the final draft. I'm going to continue to argue his likeliness of appearing in the third film.

James Silveus on Jul 20, 2008

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i'm still editing mine cuz its really long, but there's nothing like a little Oswald Chester Cobblepot to wreak havoc upon Gotham. him and his cronies will eventually take over Gotham now that Bruce is in hiding, and the only way to stop Penguin is to convince Batman to go to his crime-stopping ways. there's nobody better to do that than gordon, who if u remember was told by Batman at the end that dent as right, he has lived long enough to see himself become the villain. after countless attempts to convince Batman, he agrees to help the men who were just out to get him take down Penguin and his mob.

please dont be any batgirl or catwoman! i'm begging you. since Batman needs a love interest, i chose Poison Ivy, who can control plants. she is taken in by Oswald, who is amazed with her ability and thinks it can come in handy. she is instructed to seduce Bruce until he is lured into the Penguin's hands. since she has a love-hate relationship with Batman, she has a sudden change of heart, this leaves Penguin to do the job himself, leading to the climax at the end between Penguin and Batman, where he ultimately prevails and restores order once again to Gotham City.

since no sequel will ever compare to that of the dark knight, this contest seems to be useless, but if they are gonna make a trilogy, excluding the Penguin would be a huge mistake.

i also think it would be cool if the writers left their own mark in the Batman saga and created their owen villain instead of just the same old same old

LeeMan on Jul 20, 2008

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Riddler and Catwoman!!! Nuff said!!! Please don't bring back the Joker… and as someone mentioned earlier, don't bring back Two Face either.. cause this Batman world that Nolan has created is geared more towards the real world, it'll be too cheesy to bring him back from the dead…. well at least that's the assumption.

Omega728 on Jul 20, 2008

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To #90

Sorry, that plot is nowhere near the origin stories of Penguin and Poison Ivy. I heavily… heavily… heavily…… heavily, disagree with those paragraphs.

Plus Batgirl?! She's just a wee baby in 'Dark Knight'. So she's already in there, wether you want her to be or not lol

LW on Jul 20, 2008

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to #88 - I don't remember *where* Lao said he put it, because AFAIK, he didn't actually say in the film. No reason it couldn't have been within an hour of Gotham, or even in a warehouse at the docks?

Greg on Jul 20, 2008

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There wasn't a funeral, but there was a press conference announcing his death.

DCompose on Jul 20, 2008

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Health Ledger jumps outta the closet and says "Surprise"

Tyler on Jul 20, 2008

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ok # 87

it wasn't Harvey that had a grenade put into his mouth by the joker…

just so you know!…idk how you thought it was harvey but whatever haha!

joker_BA on Jul 20, 2008

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The Joker tricked Batman into saving Dent. He told him Rachel was at this location but really he had Dent there, Batman said he was going after Rachel, and the cops were going for Dent, Ipso Facto, Rachel Died and Harvey Lived!

Xerxex on Jul 20, 2008

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I know where it shouldn't go. Any Regal Cinema theatre. Just got back from (attempting) to see TDK. The big conversation between Bats & Joker in the interrogation room starts AND THE FUCKING FILM JUMPS THE TRACK!!! So we're sitting there for 15 minutes, they finally get the film running again only now there's NO SOUND. So the theater tries to make up for it by giving free passes. (In a stroke of genius my wife tells 'em we're in a party of six people scoring four extra passes) We stand in the back of another showing waiting about an hour to pick up where we left off.

THANK YOU REGAL CINEMA FOR FUCKING UP THE FILM EVENT OF THE YEAR!!!


Cinematic blue ball really hurts…

jason_md2020 on Jul 20, 2008

99

Is it minimum or maximum. PLEASE HELP!!!!!

gmanb282 on Jul 20, 2008

100

Any way enough of the rant. Joker & Riddler are two different motives. Joker said he's not a "schemer" where as the Riddler is nothing but.

Here's an Idea for Riddler: Get Kevin Spacey to do it. And before you ask, I'm not thinking of him as Lex Luthor in Superman Returns. I'm thinking more along the lines of John Doe in Se7en…

jason_md2020 on Jul 20, 2008

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I completely agree with #100. The Joker and The Riddler are completely different villains. The Joker is choas. The Riddler is opposite in that he is a brilliant criminal strategist. I think that Nolan could do a great job with this character, taking him beyond the Jim Carrey version that is the common view the masses have of him. He is an incredibly obessesive complusive with his riddles and puzzles, his complusions would be an excellent source of drama for the character.

I also agree with 100 in that the actor should be someone, like Kevin Spacey, who is well-known for his darker roles. An actor like that could bring such depth to the Riddler.

movie_madness2345 on Jul 20, 2008

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In terms of realistic villains that can be thought about:

Riddler
The Ventriliquist
Azrael
The Penguin
Catwoman (anti-hero more like)
Doctor Death (one of Batman's earliest, EARLIEST villains)
The Monk (another early, early villain)
Talia Al'Ghul and Lady Shiva
Deathstroke
Deadshot, (eventhough I can see Deathstroke beating the crap out of Deadshot later on in the film)
Harley Quinn
Hush, (too early?)
The Mad Hatter (too controversial since he's a pedophile?)
The Riddler
Bane
Calendar Man
Cat Man


In terms of villains that are still quite possible and can be used to tell grand part of Batman's life:

Man-Bat
Mr. Freeze
Poison Ivy
Clayface(s)… ((that's right… with a plural))
Killer Croc, (in the comics, he starts off as a circus freak who filed his teeth down and killed people)
Blockbuster
Dr. Hugo Strange
Batzarro ((yep… I went there. lol))


and dare I add… Lex Luthor. What a 'Superman' tie-in _that_ would be!

LW on Jul 20, 2008

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I have one word for the charicter they need to introduce in the next batman movie!!!

BATMITE!!

haha…jk…

There are 3 major villains nobody have mentioned and they have never appeared in any of the films

HUSH

Killer Crock

The Ventriloquist and Scarface.

As far as a plot line I agree..Batman Redemption. They need to continue the cycle and complete the series…if anyone wants to make another Batman they will have to start their own saga…FINISH IT!

matt on Jul 21, 2008

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To #83,

Don't mean to be rude to you, but really did you fall sleep during the movie? Batman CHOSE RACHAEL!!. The Joke made Batman to choose the wrong person!!!

Joe C. on Jul 21, 2008

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I seriously think that the Joker should be a part of the next movie, he is the fundamental Batman villain, and there has to be some sort of closure to his state in TDK, you can't just say "He is in Arkham" because it's nothing for him to bust outta there.

Yes I do realize that this trouble only arises because of Heath Ledgers untimely passing (R.I.P.), but I don't think that it would be impossible to create. I just loved the way Nolan(s) developed the character of Joker, yes he was portrayed MAGNIFICENTLY by Heath, but the development had to come from somewhere.

There is just so much more material left for Joker, it would be a shame to waste.

liam on Jul 21, 2008

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I think with the name Riddler being thrown around alot, it's safe to say that Christopher Nolan should pick the Riddler as the next possible batman villain. As to who would play him, my bet is on BRAD PITT! Look at that the darker roles he's played:

Se7en
Twelve Monkeys
Fight Club
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford

And what would be an excellent role to come, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button

Christopher Nolan should make the Riddler an obsessive compulsive as he was portrayed in the early days of comics. Also, he should mix elements from Memento, where he puts the various main characters into situations by his clues.

James Valentino on Jul 21, 2008

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Bring back the Joker; the character is way too important to the series not to. I think the Johnny Depp direction would be great, can't think of anyone else who could pull it off and actually make us believe he was it all along (absolutely nothing against Heath Ledger's performance, this was the greatest acting performance I have ever seen hands down) but if anybody could do it like he did it's Johnny D. And the Joker HAS to come back, they can't let this tragedy effect this potentially legendary story. Besides with the makeup and the voice it wouldn't be like replacing Bruce Wayne himself like before. And Harvey Dent isn't dead; his funeral was a cover-up by Gordon and Batman. Dent is locked away deep inside Arkham.
My idea would be, the Joker goes through trial and sentencing between films, we find out his real name and story, and the third film would start him out in prison for life. Batman is currently in hiding and with the Joker away crime is down in Gotham (for the time being). But from the ashes of the Joker's destruction comes a sort of copy cat criminal, a joker obsessed enthusiast no name who starts to make a name for himself with "double homicide, armed robbery" that sort of thing just like the man himself. He visits the Joker in prison as basically a fan, and the joker snubs him, makes him feel like nothing, doesn't want anything to do with him. And just like a rejected obsessed fan, he hates the Joker after that and turns into his enemy dressing in a similar style suit as the ex-idol, but green, with bright orange hair. He starts pulling off major bank robberies, infiltrating the mafia, and taking police hostage. One day he crashes a Wayne Enterprise board meeting killing several board members and taking Bruce Wayne hostage. After every bank robbery, burglary, murder, kidknapping he leaves an envelope with a riddle in it as to where the police can find him or his hostages; it's at that point that the people and the police of Gotham call him "The Riddler" which is a name that he hates and fuels his rage even further. While in prison, the Joker starts to take notice of these happenings and decides he NEEDS to get out now, so Joker being the Joker he devises a plan to escape, which works.
With Bruce Wayne in his possession, the Riddler calls for Batman to come out of hiding, and every day he doesn't someone dies. The Joker sees that on the news which naturally infuriates him because that's his play. Bruce Wayne makes contact with Lucious Fox who locates him and extracts him and the others with the help of the police, but not without major opposition from Riddler who eventually gives up and gets away. And then comes the best scene in the whole movie; the first encounter between the two villians which will be hilarious and seriously scary at the same time. A conversation, a fight, whatever; they eventually part ways, but not without a promise on both parts that the other is going to die before this is all over.
Bruce Wayne finally makes it back to the newly rebuilt Wayne Manor where he kicks the Batcave back into gear, and the new Batmobile is revealed. The crime fighting begins and from that point on Batman has total control unlike in TDK.
The Riddler breaks into the asylum and presents Harvey Dent/Two-Face with a proposition to take down the Joker "and Batman too" says Dent "yeah that too, obviously" replies the Riddler. And all this will lead up to a climax of epic proportions with {The Joker vs The Riddler and Two-face} vs Batman} vs the Police. The Riddler dies, Two-Face dies after Batman tries to save him and The Joker gets away which will lead to a fourth movie which will be a Batman/Joker showdown that will be the end of both characters to wrap it up.

Matt on Jul 21, 2008

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I think you guys who think two face will come back have missed some important things. Firstly they pretty much say he is dead when they talk about him being the hero they needed, but that doesnt matter. The reason he cant come back is that the point of the movie was that batman can be someone hated, so he took the blame for harvey. If twoface comes back people will realize he is not dead, so the police are liars so maybe he killed the people and batman is not the villain they say. This would totally contradict the ending, thereby making this movie much less substantial.

Also to the idea of the riddler, he is such a dumb character. He has no menace and is absolutley silly. I dont think he could hold a movie at all on his own, especially not the final movie.

And as for the joker, i feel like he could be redone, but it would have to be very delicate. I think if they could find a suitable actor, they could play him in a different way as opposed to trying to emulate heath. The joker is an essential character to batman and it would be a shame to have to sacrifice the story. I doubt thats what heath ledger would have wanted, who was so dedicated to the role.

lono on Jul 21, 2008

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now that you mention mementto, why not (and this only if it is the riddler the next villian) have that dude guy pearce play him? i think he could pull it off, he has th right look….and they could probably go berserker and do ´war games´series with black mask making his film debut

araiza on Jul 21, 2008

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Has any one mentioned The Mad Hatter? Or a return of Scarecrow?

Personally, I'd be fine without a third movie. Too many possibilities - Robin, Catwoman, etc. I trust the Nolan brothers, but a successful follow-up is gonna be tough.

Guess we'll have to see in the next few years what they come up with.

Delvis on Jul 21, 2008

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#107, Matt, I like your thinking, The Joker is simply epic.

liam on Jul 21, 2008

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#107, Matt, I DON'T like your thinking. You just went out on a limb and 'made-up' a backstory for the Riddler. You're also basically saying, "yeah, Nolan should just make stuff up about Riddler and stop using the books as reference". Like, who do you think Nolan is?… Frank Miller? lol ^^

#110, Yeah, with 112 posts now I guess it is kind of hard to keep track now lol

LW on Jul 21, 2008

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If Edward Nygma were to return I would more envision Steve Buscemi for that kind of role considering the dark and gritty nature of the film.

But then what about a trifecta of females - like the Anti-Charlies Angels: Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, and Catwoman.. maybe some new female mafia/cartel of sorts?

Psybil on Jul 21, 2008

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If Johnny Depp was to take over the role he would have to study over everything Heath Ledger did for a long time, study the posture, the voice, the laugh, the walking, read over Ledger's writing, watch him over and over and over again, Dress the same, do the same licking of the lips like Ledger did, It would be a lot of work and Depp could probably pull it off, over studying for a couple of years, like everybody said the Joker is the ultimate villian and Ledger's Joker makes Jack Nicholson's look like a third rate two year old baby's birthday clown. So if Depp is chosen to fill in for Heath Ledger he needs to study and maybe he could do what Heath Ledger did.

Xerxex on Jul 21, 2008

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Do you think it is maybe to be understood that the joker DID die in the film? Maybe out of sympathy for Ledger they didn't show the actually death? After all he did somewhat foreshadow falling with the line about gravity and what goes up must come down while hanging upside down, and we did not see him after that.

beau on Jul 21, 2008

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I have heard so many good ideas for a third movie that it' inspiring. However; I won't enter the contest for such puny prices. MY own favorite story for the third and final installment of the trilogy would come from," BATMAN SON OF THE BAT ". However; it would not involve Ra's Al Ghul. I agree with the commentators who stated that Mr. Nolan is interested in Dark but believable story lines. I also agree with the commentators that believe a movie with an Al Ghul would be a great bookend to the trilogy. Ra's Al Ghul is dead. However; his dream of Batman becoming his heir apparent can still live on with Talia Al Ghul. Batman is on the run from the police and gets wounded and can't get to Alfred. Talia has been keeping a track of him and come's to his rescue. She is now left with fulfilling her father's wish. In Talia's eyes ; The Batman is the perfect man for the job. He is now considered a criminal by the authorities. She tries every thing in her power including sexual seduction and love? Batman is tempted. He can use the resources of her vast empire for the benefit of Mankind. The Batman goes international. He fights crime on an international scale. This gives Mr. Nolan even more villains to add to his pool. I trust Mr. Nolan will use a dark international villain and crime cartel. I would use an intelligent " Dark Bane"who is both the ruler and the leader of an international crime cartel. In the ensuing battle; Both Bane and The Batman fall into a water fall inside the countries rain forest.( I propose a Sherlock Holmes vs Professor Moriarty death l;ock scenario.) The film allows The Batman to find love with Talia. However; instead of choosing incorrectly; he sacrifices himself to save Talia. After the credits; you see Talia holding a male baby.( The Iron Man Movie did this type of scene really well) The Dark Knight Trilogy ends with The Death of The Batman but leaves open the door for a future director to resurrect him as his son.(The Phantom Comic Book did a great job replacing the dead Phantom with his son) The end of Bruce Wayne will be tragic but the possibility of his son carrying on his tradition also leaves the audience with hope.

Ivan A. Arcaya,Sr. on Jul 21, 2008

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Okay, that's enough sillyness:

A lot of you have to understand that's there's a lot of good source material out there that dosn't have to be tossed aside. For a third film, why would Nolan suddenly decide to drop all the source material and start making stuff up?! 'The Long Halloween' and 'Year One' have been working really well for him lately, I don't see why he'd just stop using such storylines as reference.

Batman dies? Joker dies? Two-face dies? Riddler is Joker's copycat? Plop in Joker's "backstory"? SERIOUSLY?!?! I mean… is there something 'wrong' with the way Nolan is using the books right now or something?… sheesh

LW on Jul 21, 2008

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It's funny how some of you are not entering the contest and you make it sound like your idea/story is going to get published somewhere else bigger! Hahahahaha…… don't hate, just having fun. Anyways, #109 I totally agree with you, Guy Pearce as the Riddler. Catwoman, either Kate Beckinsale (can't go wrong with her in skin tight suits) or Scarlett Johansson if they decide to go blonde (mainly for looks).

Omega728 on Jul 21, 2008

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The mistake Burton made with his bat films was he killed villians Nolan wasn't going to make that mistake secondly two-face dead? Are you serious? So batman can survive the fall but not Harvey? He was still breathing Harvey died but two-face lives. It makes perfect sense for the funeral to be a cover up to protect Dent for all of gotham. It be disrespectful to Ledger not to continue with joker as they planned and after watching Charlie and the chocolate factory and pirates of the carribian (however its spelled) Johnny Depp can do joker easy. I don't know how any sane person wouldn't figure that they would try and protect Harvey's image anyway? Why doesn't that make sense to anyone? Catwoman needs to be redeemed after catwoman movie and they aren't taking the stories from any certain batman book its a combination of books. Yeah the movie did focus on Dent quite a bit but Bruce couldn't decide if he should continue being batman as the effect it had on gotham copy cats and joker killing people to get at batman. Secondly that guy who worked for Wayne enterprises becoming riddler is highly unlikely because joker letting someone how knows batman live highly unlikely but they never showed it. Why would two-face come back for a third? Because Harvey believed in Batman he isn't going to allow him to take the fall for him so he returns to clear bats name. My story idea involved poison ivy so since she shouldn't be able to control plants and poison kill how about she creates things that give her a poisoness touch or a dust that makes her able to control someone thru suggestions or pheramones that make people attracted to her? For actors. To play characters I don't kno there names but the kid from sweeny Todd as robin Johnny depp as joker the main character from memento as riddler. Paul giamatti as penguin (if I'm thinking of the right person but he was in shoot em up short guy usually has a beard and glasses) Kate beckensale as catwoman scarlet johannson as poison ivy. Big show as killer croc (or wolf from American gladiators) hugh jackman as mad hatter Aaron Eckhart returns as two-face and Sarah silverman as harleen quinzel no Harley Quinn yet

Samuel on Jul 21, 2008

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LW Sig Heil! Herr Fuhrer The Aryan #117 Call's us silly. An Ad Hominid attack on me (Batman dies?) So you are The Superior Aryan who wants a Fourth Reich where only you get to express your comments But no one else can express themselves. Why don't you tell me your true name instead of hiding behind LW. Maybe you and I can meet and you can read Mein Kampf to me and I can read you The USA Constitution and Bill of Rights. I'm currently on leave before I go back to Afghanistan but I will take some time to meet you at a place near my home town of Vineland, New Jersey. How about The Cumberland Mall? You email me your email and I will email you mine. Then we can exchange personal information and meet in person. You lousy cowards who would shit in your pants if there was a draft always think you are so superior. Well you are nothing but a fascist coward!

Ivan A. Arcaya,Sr. on Jul 21, 2008

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I forgot collin murphey returns as scarecrow just to complete the rogues. as for giving joker a back story he's said he cant remember it right so nolans explaination is perfect he doesn't need one anyway he's a force of nature the unstoppable force to batman's unmovable object

samuel on Jul 21, 2008

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if they decided to bring the joker back i dont think they should use a big name actor like depp or any of the others mentioned. not that they couldnt do it justice but when you look and listen to the joker in TDK you cant even tell that it is ledger so i think get some lesser known but very talented actor to take up the role.. i think it will just make it seem less like there is someone new playing the role even though we know it is someone new than if say depp did it. but if they were to use depp, which i doubt they will cause they wont bring the joker back, he would do a good job.

if you think about it they left it open for the riddler semi early in TDK, when the guy(cant remember his name) who finds the blue prints for the batmobile/tumbler when he confronts fox and say he wants all that money or he will expose bruce but then fox just mocks him, you can see him gettting very agitated and then when he is on tv about to say it he never gets the chance then either so he is slowly going crazy. so why not in the third film have him leave riddles for the police and everybody else about who the batman is and and then batman will have to take him down so that he is not exposed. all the while that the riddler is leaving these clues he is mad cause fox mocked him and he was never able to say what he wanted to say so he goes after fox and alfred because he knows that bruce is batman so batman has to stop him and then obviously the riddler would be committting crimes so that he gets the polices attention then they cant deal with him so batman has to. so then throughout the movie batman has to deal with the police and all the citizens of gotham plus the riddler. they should bring in a female.. talia al ghul would be killer just cause she hasnt been done before and like other posts she could kind of round out the al ghul part of the story im just not sure how they would work her in becasue there was no indication that ras alghul had a daughter or anything in batman begins. catwoman is a good bet thought just because of the foreshadowing in TDK but that might just be somehitng tho throw us off.. who knows.

they wont bring in super natural villains cause thats not nolans style, he will keep it as believeable as possible
also the idea of the riddles being a copycat of the joker just wont work, the riddler is completely his own character and wouldnt want to copy the joker.

who knows it fox will even be back cause if you remeber he hated the whole survalnce of all te people in gotham and said that as long as it was in wayne he wouldnt be.. even though it was destroyed in the end but still you never know.

and i agree with #117 why change whats already working?

Drew on Jul 21, 2008

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#117LW: I am still waiting for your reply to my invitation. What's your answer? Are you still going to hide. You know my name. What is yours?

Ivan A. Arcaya,Sr. on Jul 21, 2008

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xerxex seems to be the only one with any real vision for the meaning and understanding of these movies. I agree with you 100%. To end Batman though, Im almost thinking Gotham will be cleaned up to the point where the police can handle it and wayne retires batman but knowing hes always there if needed. OR, his true identity is revealed and he is taken into custody to "answer for his crimes" as stated in the movie, even though the public and the officials applaud him for his actions. but then again, if that happens all of wayne enterprises will be audited and pry shut down, so I dont know. But as far as villians… back to xerxex, right on man. I dont know who could even compare to joker. its a tough one.

HOLY SHT on Jul 21, 2008

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#59——i had the same idea as urs, i truly believe that if nolan directs the next one he won't replace ledger with no matter who! he will respect his memory and use some of the unused footage to some how incorperate him in the new one! you say how…with the copycat character he can use ledger as a mentor for her and connect the dark knight with the new movie….and Talia al-Ghul must be in it too, her character should use the riddler to lure batman and thus connect it to the first nolan batman (begins).

Now i don't want to think about plots but those are the main characters and again truly believe after much thinking that heath's joker should be in the next movie and won't be replaced by nolan!
of course heath's joker won't be a full fledged character but just appears for a brief time to move some plot lines and inspire our new villain(s).
which lead me to the conclusion that