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You want me to give you a story idea for a movie that will win 100s millions and you will give me ( a hardcover copy of Batman: The Killing Joke graphic novel as well as three full-size Dark Knight posters (painted wall, burning building, Bat Pod) ? No thanks ... I wrote my blog about the movie 15 minutes ago and it can be consider as part one ...there is some stuff and some ideas you can get what ever you want for free... some of the questions are not questions but answers ...you may find them interesting for this contest ... Good luck everyone and feel free to comment of critic my blog ...hope you find some new stuff in it http://blog.myspace.com/shero_rauf

with Batman now being hunted it's perfect timing for characters like the Reaper from Batman :year Two, maybe Azrael, Bane would be perfect if written properly and not made into a freaking mexican masked Wrestler like the TAS tried to do. for those who haven't read Batman Year Two, the Reaper is an old gotham vigilante who is basically the mirror opposite of the batman, he has two scythe like blades in each hands and is very similar to batman except he does KILL, he kills the criminals he encounters instead of capturing them. the may Nolan keeps touching on Batman: Year One, it would be a good way to introduce Catwoman. in BY1, Catwoman is a prostitute, Reaper can kill prostitutes making her don the costume, which of course also resembles batman. just dumping out my ideas, i'm not a very good writer so i didn't enter the contest.

fuck catwoman, and duck halle berry as catwoman.

Just saw on MSNBC that "The Dark Knight" hit 155 million this weekend topping Spider-Man 3 to have the biggest opening ever. No one has anything online about this yet that I can find.

Ty for the info TCox.. And Patricia, whats ur final point? U say the movie has flaws but u saw it thrice & u r gonna do what? Anyway, nice idea for a contest.. Have Fun..

FYI - I don't care about the contest. I already have The Killing Joke, and don't have a need for poster. That's why I'm posting it here for all to see. If someone's got some writing skills, they can take my premise and build upon it. All I ask is that the credit me on it. They can have the prizes.

here's the box office results http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=7502

Three words - No Man's Land. Like what Alfred said, things have to get worse before they get better. Gotham will fall, be it through a natural disaster or a large scale attack by criminals. With the streets in a mess and the cops barely able to do a thing, the people put everything they have on The Dark Knight as their only hope of salvation; the latter who has routine sessions of self-doubt throughout the film. Batman battles from organized crime lords to the desperate people turned into criminals, and engages in a psychological battle with a major villain based on the Joker's philosophy of "When the chips are down..." The movie ends with Batman and Bruce Wayne rebuilding and ushering Gotham City into a new era, and inspires the Gothamites to have faith in the city and the Caped Crusader once more, thus completing his objective since the first film, recovering Batman's reputation from the second, and nicely tying up the trilogy. The name? Batman Begins The Dark Knight Gotham

I think it would be cool to continue with the jokers idea of he and batman being the same. Now that batman has been cast out of gothams favor, this film could be about how he realizes how similar he is to the costumed villians or "freaks". This would be made worse by the people he is trying to protect also associating him with them, so he ends up becoming confused and lost in this limbo between people who accept him but he must fight and people who hate and fear him but he must protect. The problem with this is that with heath ledger dead i dont think they should do the joker again, and he is the main reason why batman has any connection to the "freaks". Joker is the dark side of batman and without him he wouldnt be able to see their similarities or his place among them.

Ok so the question is how can you make a movie better than TDK. simple, bring back TIM BURTON. If the plans were to make a sequel with the joker in it, it's gonna be hard to replace Heath Ledger but i think Johnny Depp would make a good joker. If not then they can put Jack Nicholson, they can just say he was in jail foreverr and escaped. They shouldn't hesitate to make a 3rd movie, yeah it's true a lot of movies go down the toilet after a sequel but anyone that went to the movies in 2007 can realize that there CAN be successful trilogies. Have you heard of The Bourne franchise? maybe the Mummy?? or how about some Pirates of the Caribean? maybe SpiderMan?? even though the 3rd one sucked it's still made some serious money.

I'm wondering if Nolan can tell the story of Robin properly. It will be tough, sure, since the mainstream non-comic book readers can't take Robin seriously. But based on the success of Dark Knight, I have a feeling that Nolan _can_ bring out Robin properly. I think the key to a good Robin storyline in this case would be relatability. But who would play Robin? I also think a 3rd film would also be a good chance to introduce Renee Montoya and the first Clayface. .... ((with Penelope Cruz as Montoya ((IF!! She can take the role seriously)) and Denzel Washington as Clayface))

And to #21 Edward Nygma is the Riddler... not Mister Reese.

I completely agree with using Thalia al Ghul, and by association, Ras al Ghul. It's always nice to bookend a narrative cycle. Not only that but its very feasible. A) He "died" off screen, and B) Even if he did die he can be resurrected via the Lazarus Pit. Option B actually leads me to hope for one of my favorite Batman comic scenarios. Batman fights his way into Ras' inner keep and is only moments from stopping him when Ras points to two figures hanging over the pit. He tells Batman he understands what pushed him to become this way-and if he'll look the other way just this once he can have his parents back. Heheheh. . .evil bastard!

All right, we all know the ending, Joker doesn't die and Harvey "Two Face" apprently does. But since Ledger died, the possibility of Joker coming back as the main Villian is extremely limited, So I sat bring back Harvey "Two-Face" Dent to prove to Gotham that the Batman is the true hero of Gotham. I mean it sounds good on paper but on the silver screen probably not, just an idea. Or how about no more films the second was so good how could a third fair in its shadows. Not since Empire Strikes Back and the Godfather part two as a sequal been perfect in every aspect. Besides what Nolan does is make the villians of Batman possible to be real. Mr. Freeze to much, Poison Ivy Blah, Batman and Robin never! The Riddler might as well just be a Joker knock off. Harley Quinn. Now in one scene The Joker said he had a "Wife" you could spin it and make Harley Quinn his estranged wife who hates Gordon and Batman for taking her husband away and she attacks Gotham in a revenger like way? Nah. I don't know its to hard to see someone surpass Harvey "Two Face" and the Joker as the best villians on hte Batman universe.

Great idea, Alex. Can any of the citizens of Gotham sue Batman for property damage? I think they should do what made the first film so great and pick lesser known but very treacherous villains. They're out there, too. I just think if you do Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin, etc., it's a little safer. And so far, they haven't done anything safe.

Nice #16 going back to the original story is a good idea.

Sent mine in! WOO!

With Batman Evil in the eyes of Gotham there is only one solution turn to Metropolis for help Superman VS Batman DC Comics ties the 2 in, Just like Marvel is Doing With The Avengers, Mark my words.....

Nothing like a contest to bring out the best in the few and the absurdly worst in most!!!! Some folks are just being plain stupid with their posts!!!

nothing will compare to the joker as the villain

they should have the riddler be a serial killer type just like kevin spacey in the movie "Seven"

#38 Two Face died because of 2 seperate reasons*irony?* The coin he flipped was for Gordon's Son not himself, he flipped his coin earlier and said 'Well I'm safe" also at the end of the film Gordon was eulogizing him. THE END

The mobster that batman dropped and broke his legs (falconie?)....walking around with a cane now....sounds like the penguin to me...

Okay, Jesse #22, either you are completely joking or you are a complete idiot. That being said, here's my take on things, and this is not considering Heath Ledger's untimely death. They probably can't replace him, and I don't think they should, but in a perfect world I think the Joker needs to come back for the third installment, and I am pretty sure that those were the initial plans. You don't create such an iconic character and NOT kill him off at the end. I think there was obvious intention to bring him back... So finally, here's my angle: Two-Face is clearly the villain to lead into the third film. The entire focus of TDK was on Harvey and his transformation. We will now get the opportunity to see what this villain is truly capable of. He's not just a common criminal. We had Ra's Al Ghul in the first film whose goal was to cleanse societies of their filth and corruption to create a pure and better world from scratch. We had the Joker whose goal was the complete opposite, as he tried to reveal the weaknesses of people, exploit them and create chaos to intentionally turn people against one another for no true purpose other than his own enjoyment of watching the destruction of the human psyche. Now, with Two-Face we have a completely new kind of villain. A man who started with a grand and commendable vision, but whose great loss was the tipping point for him to turn against those who he had helped and hoped would be their to save him and those he cared for. This isn't just revenge. This is taking the demon in all of us, and setting it free. He is a huge threat to Gotham. He knows the inner workings of the city. he knows what buttons need to be pushed. He was the DA, a sly and methodical person who can manipulate things for his own case. And most importantly, he wants Batman dead. But I don't think he can do it alone. He needs someone's help. I think he is afraid to try and free the Joker, who could easily take things in the wrong direction. So he invests his time into finding a professional who has control over the side of things he knows little about. Warfare, terrorism, arms, etc... The Penguin. So introduce the Penguin (I think Philip Seymour Hoffman would be PERFECT), a former CIA operative gone rogue as a blackmarket arms dealer. An cunningly intelligent man who has let the corruption of the world destroy his morals, and who gets a thrill in contributing to an organized plan of attack. But I think this is where things go wrong. The Penguin is too cunning for Two-Face's own good, and takes things into his own hands. Two-Face loses control over his own grand scheme, and the Penguin heads the movement to take down Gotham. By the end of the film, Harvey Dent's Two-Face comes full circle, regretting his turn to evil and helps Batman by revealing key locations and people involved with the destruction of Gotham. I am convinced that there were intentions to bring The Joker back into the mix, and what better way to round out this trilogy than to bring him back in a trial throughout the film, then break him out of prison for an incredible last third of the film. He doesn't like what he sees. He doesn't like that Two-Face has lost control, and he especially doesn't like this Penguin fella taking control of things. So he should be the one to take out the Penguin, leaving the ultimate showdown to Batman vs the Joker. And I don't mean Batman just so happens to find the Joker in some lame construction building. The Joker lures Batman into a huge trap, making him a part of his unfinished game. But this time, the Joker wants blood. Or at least that's what he thinks, but he can't kill Batman when he gets the opportunity. He can't destroy his equal. In some accident at the end of the showdown though, something happens to the Joker, Batman tries to save him, but it's too late. The Joker is dead. Now, of course we can't forget about Batman himself. He is left extremely weak in the end of the second film. The people of Gotham will be after him. As Bruce Wayne settles back into the mansion, he will have to rethink his approach. He can't hang up his cape and cowl yet because Two-Face is about to let hell rain down on Gotham, but he takes a huge risk by doing nothing and watching his town burn to the ground. This film would be about a true hero who has to fight for what he knows is right, even if the masses are against him. It would be about discovering that even a symbol has limits, and that your strength has to be within your self and not dependent on something or someone else (Rachel). I think Batman will stand to stay in Gotham by the end of this film, realizing that the world is a better place if it can take care of itself, but that the duty of a hero is never done.

The key thing to remember here is what Nolan has done with the series. As with Spiderman 3, it's a BAD idea to make things more supernatural. We all love Venom, sure, but his institution into Spiderman 3 (along with The Sandman's shaky back story) detracted a lot of the realism that had been generated. Nolan won't do something like Clayface or Mr. Freeze because they don't play into his style. It's hard to imagine the Penguin being brought back, either. Although, his darkness might fit the mold. It's kind of sad because with Ledger still alive, there's no end in sight. With the Joker playing main fiddle, the villains could be endless. With him gone, it's hard to imagine who could carry the "dark" side like Ledger's Joker did. The bar is set ridiculously high now.

#48, I think your Hoffman arms dealer character is the villain from Mission Impossible 3. And... I think he died in that movie.

I would really, really like to see Nolan avoiding characters with mysterious special powers or anything too cartoony. I like what he's doing with the series. Then again, the Joker seems cartoony, right? But he pulled that off and made him a living, breathing, believable being.

500 words minium or max? And with the way nolan is running things I cant see a lazerus pit or a soap opera cop out like bringing two face back from the apparent dead.

I'm not a comic book reader but I think I know enough to say or put my ideas out there for all of you! I think that the joker should be in the 3rd flim but the bar as joker is set way to high for another actor to replace him. The joker is the main villian of batman because they are complete opposites of each other! They should have more two-face in the 3rd movie because TDK showed how he became two-face and how he thinks. Two-face should team up with the riddler and I think Edward Norton would be a great choice for the riddler. But some how there must be away to have the joker in this flim and have the joker break outta of jail and find out who is trying to take over his job has the main vilian of Gotham!! it should end with a battle with the batman vs. joker infront of the the city if gotham and its citizens to show them that batman is the hero that protects them and takes no credit for it!!

I haven't gotten to read all the posts, so if anyone's thought of this already, forgive me. What if they bring in Harley Quinn, and tie her character to the Joker's origin story about having a wife with a carved face? Sure it would stray pretty far from the original character, but would make a great movie.

A bit too much like Batman Returns with Catwoman, but I do think something along this dynamic needs to happen.

What about a fem fatal? Not Catwoman, not Posion Ivy, but Harley Quinn. Now I know that I've said a lot about this possible plot line but it holds a lot of ideas. Bruce Wayne lost Rachel Dawes, the woman he loved. Now Quinn could come as his new love interest and betray him in the end and he is forced to bring her down. I know Joker and Quinn have a sort of Romance invloved in the stories. Now Nolan could make her Joker's number one fan, and try to copy cat him. First demoralize Batman/Bruce Wayne, second start attacking Gotham, attacking the people. And finally attempt to become Jokers counter part, as the most vicious enemy Batman has ever fought against. Its an idea that needs more time to grow. NOW DOES ANYBODY SEE THIS AS A POSSIBLE STORY LINE FOR BATMAN?

Isn't Ra's Al Goul imortal? i dont think that train wreck killed him. after the joker the penguin is a bad idea. ridler would have to be like the villian in Seven for it to b good. no robin. two face is dead. catwoman is a waste. scarecrow maybe. topping ledger will b tough. i think nolan will find something.

Er... three posters I've already seen and a Hardcover copy of a thin graphic novel that I've already read... is it really worth it?

There was a funeral for Harvey Dent. James Gordon was eulogizing him at the end! I don't want to be rude, because I'm actually a pretty nice guy, but seriously... did you guys watch this movie, or was the 2.5 hours too long for your attention spans? That should be evidence enough for any sane person to believe that Harvey Dent will not make another appearance as Twoface in the third movie, unless you're foolish enough to actually think that all of the cops at the warehouse, including Jim Gordon, just up and left his body there and he got up later. I mean, seriously? I guess when he was eulogizing his friend, the coffin was empty and he was like, "Well, oops. Guess we forgot him at the warehouse. Oh wellz! He'll be back!" Do you walk out of well-explaned movies with thoughts like this in your head? They don't have to make a whole scene out of something for it to be "explained". Use critical thinking to fill in the rest! R?'s al Gh?l was something of an immortal in the comic book series, yes, but if you've noticed, Nolan's films have been all about making the campy seem as realistic as possible. To accomplish this with R?'s al Gh?l, they merged him with an entirely separate character from Batman comic mythos, Henri Ducard, which made the character but a mere mortal. And he died a mortal's death at the end of Batman Begins. He won't be coming back. Scarecrow would have been a decent choice if they hadn't made him such a farce in TDK's opening scenes. Still, maybe there's room for redemption as a respectable villain in the third film, who knows. Catwoman is a likely choice for the third movie. The "cat" reference in TDK all but confirms this. Halle Berry's disaster of a movie has tarnished the name of Catwoman, and you can just imagine David S. Goyer and the Nolan brothers scheming about how to make that character seem less ridiculous by introducing her into their new hit franchise. The movie was an obvious setup for a Joker return, but that idea is now marginal with the death of Heath Ledger. Don't expect anybody to even think about writing a script, directing a movie, or choosing to act as the character after such an iconic last performance to Ledger. Nobody would freaking dare to look like such a Hollywood huckster. As for my guesses about the story, I think that they will attempt to wrap things up in the third movie. I think this will be a self-contained three movie story arc, as somebody has to realize that we'll go straight to schlock once again after Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale bow out of the series. Batman dying or Bruce Wayne being exposed could possibly play into that, but overall, I can just about guarantee you'll feel some closure in some thematic way by the end of the third movie. My guesses as to the villains would be Catwoman, Black Mask, and Holiday and/or The Hangman. These are the remaining villains that best play into Nolan's dark themes.

#60 HARLEY QUINN should be brought in for a love interest for BRUCE and an enemy for Batman, she can hide her evil alter ego from him and battle him on the side. Then they both learn of each others secrets and then the rest could play out. Somebody finally is on the same page!

i agree with #16 going to original is the best nolan will surprise every one with the third one tittle should be gotham some how have johnny depp in the story

to #73 Dr. Harley Quinzell is Harley Quinn, not Rachel Dr. Quinzell was raped by the Joker and manipulated as well.

ok, this needs to be settled. DID TWO-FACE DIE OR NOT? i say he died.

71... There was no funeral, and if there was, it was a coverup. Batman made it clear to Gordon that they couldn't reveal what happened to Harvey Dent and had to portray him as a savior. So as far as I am concerned, this eulogy was put together to keep the people of Gotham content and hopeful. In fact, this is exactly what happened. And I don't believe they would take an entire film to set up and develop a tragic character like Two-Face (in fact the entire focus of the film was on Dent) and just off him in a matter of minutes. We explored his good side for an entire film and how it was turned to evil. Now is the time to explore his tragic side, which given the emotional exploration they put into TDK, means Two-Face will realize his mistakes by the end of the 3rd film to round out his character emotionally. Of course this will all come before he dies in some tragic manner. Nolan is too smart to have made Dent a disposable character for TDK. And I really think that Two-Face has a LOT of potential for film 3 to really go off the deep end and become a terribly dark villain. As for Catwoman, I say no way. She would have to be a love interest of Bruce Wayne's and it's been done already. I think Nolan will go in an unexpected direction. And yeah, you're right I think. The Joker was set up for a third film. What a damn tragedy! Now HE would have rounded out the trilogy with a bang. Call me crazy and throw tomatoes and bricks at my face, but if they could pull off the Joker in 100% convincing CG and dub his voice, I would say do it. but this is my wishful thinking. it's not possible, and it would be stupid to try. But in a dreamworld, I would say they should consider it.

73... Rachel is dead buddy. The flames rushing toward her ugly little face told me so... Secondly, when did the Joker out a grenade in Harvey Dent's mouth in the beginning? Do you mean in the bank, with the bank manager? That wasn't Harvey. And not a real grenade, just smoke? Why do you think a line was strung from the grenade and into the bus? Where did that big explosion come from? From the bank manager's mouth, that's where. Go watch the movie again.

81... I would just argue that we only see the transition of Harvey Dent into Two-Face. He does not yet understand the potential he has and only plays around with his uncontrollable emotions in the end of the film. There is no exploration into the dynamic of who he is as a villain now. The entire film was a setup for Two-Face. We have no idea how extreme he can be and how deep his hatred runs.

** sorry, meant to say: and to #83 That money was burned. You probably missed it… I don't know how you missed it.. it was a huge scene! lol

BIG QUESTION -- -- How did joker get the money to burn? I thought Lau had transported all of the mob's cash to Hong Kong. -- -- Don't get me wrong. I think the movie is a master-piece, and I'm all about suspending my disbelief, but this was the one thing that I couldn't fill the gap in for myself.

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!! Hey James, maybe he will pull a joker and pretend to be dead in a bodybag? You never know, he could overtake Gordan really easy and just run, or gordan might escape with him and take him to like arkham and keep him there. I just can't see anybody could be so positive he is dead, you didn't see a coffin, him being actually dead, or anything. And Nolan showed us DENT being dead, by batman showing just his good side, which i took it as meaning Dent is dead, but two face is alive.

Riddler and Catwoman!!! Nuff said!!! Please don't bring back the Joker... and as someone mentioned earlier, don't bring back Two Face either.. cause this Batman world that Nolan has created is geared more towards the real world, it'll be too cheesy to bring him back from the dead.... well at least that's the assumption.

to #88 - I don't remember *where* Lao said he put it, because AFAIK, he didn't actually say in the film. No reason it couldn't have been within an hour of Gotham, or even in a warehouse at the docks?

Health Ledger jumps outta the closet and says "Surprise"

I know where it shouldn't go. Any Regal Cinema theatre. Just got back from (attempting) to see TDK. The big conversation between Bats & Joker in the interrogation room starts AND THE FUCKING FILM JUMPS THE TRACK!!! So we're sitting there for 15 minutes, they finally get the film running again only now there's NO SOUND. So the theater tries to make up for it by giving free passes. (In a stroke of genius my wife tells 'em we're in a party of six people scoring four extra passes) We stand in the back of another showing waiting about an hour to pick up where we left off. THANK YOU REGAL CINEMA FOR FUCKING UP THE FILM EVENT OF THE YEAR!!! Cinematic blue ball really hurts...

Any way enough of the rant. Joker & Riddler are two different motives. Joker said he's not a "schemer" where as the Riddler is nothing but. Here's an Idea for Riddler: Get Kevin Spacey to do it. And before you ask, I'm not thinking of him as Lex Luthor in Superman Returns. I'm thinking more along the lines of John Doe in Se7en...

In terms of realistic villains that can be thought about: Riddler The Ventriliquist Azrael The Penguin Catwoman (anti-hero more like) Doctor Death (one of Batman's earliest, EARLIEST villains) The Monk (another early, early villain) Talia Al'Ghul and Lady Shiva Deathstroke Deadshot, (eventhough I can see Deathstroke beating the crap out of Deadshot later on in the film) Harley Quinn Hush, (too early?) The Mad Hatter (too controversial since he's a pedophile?) The Riddler Bane Calendar Man Cat Man In terms of villains that are still quite possible and can be used to tell grand part of Batman's life: Man-Bat Mr. Freeze Poison Ivy Clayface(s)... ((that's right... with a plural)) Killer Croc, (in the comics, he starts off as a circus freak who filed his teeth down and killed people) Blockbuster Dr. Hugo Strange Batzarro ((yep... I went there. lol)) and dare I add... Lex Luthor. What a 'Superman' tie-in _that_ would be!

I have one word for the charicter they need to introduce in the next batman movie!!! BATMITE!! haha...jk... There are 3 major villains nobody have mentioned and they have never appeared in any of the films HUSH Killer Crock The Ventriloquist and Scarface. As far as a plot line I agree..Batman Redemption. They need to continue the cycle and complete the series...if anyone wants to make another Batman they will have to start their own saga...FINISH IT!

I seriously think that the Joker should be a part of the next movie, he is the fundamental Batman villain, and there has to be some sort of closure to his state in TDK, you can't just say "He is in Arkham" because it's nothing for him to bust outta there. Yes I do realize that this trouble only arises because of Heath Ledgers untimely passing (R.I.P.), but I don't think that it would be impossible to create. I just loved the way Nolan(s) developed the character of Joker, yes he was portrayed MAGNIFICENTLY by Heath, but the development had to come from somewhere. There is just so much more material left for Joker, it would be a shame to waste.

Bring back the Joker; the character is way too important to the series not to. I think the Johnny Depp direction would be great, can't think of anyone else who could pull it off and actually make us believe he was it all along (absolutely nothing against Heath Ledger's performance, this was the greatest acting performance I have ever seen hands down) but if anybody could do it like he did it's Johnny D. And the Joker HAS to come back, they can't let this tragedy effect this potentially legendary story. Besides with the makeup and the voice it wouldn't be like replacing Bruce Wayne himself like before. And Harvey Dent isn't dead; his funeral was a cover-up by Gordon and Batman. Dent is locked away deep inside Arkham. My idea would be, the Joker goes through trial and sentencing between films, we find out his real name and story, and the third film would start him out in prison for life. Batman is currently in hiding and with the Joker away crime is down in Gotham (for the time being). But from the ashes of the Joker's destruction comes a sort of copy cat criminal, a joker obsessed enthusiast no name who starts to make a name for himself with "double homicide, armed robbery" that sort of thing just like the man himself. He visits the Joker in prison as basically a fan, and the joker snubs him, makes him feel like nothing, doesn't want anything to do with him. And just like a rejected obsessed fan, he hates the Joker after that and turns into his enemy dressing in a similar style suit as the ex-idol, but green, with bright orange hair. He starts pulling off major bank robberies, infiltrating the mafia, and taking police hostage. One day he crashes a Wayne Enterprise board meeting killing several board members and taking Bruce Wayne hostage. After every bank robbery, burglary, murder, kidknapping he leaves an envelope with a riddle in it as to where the police can find him or his hostages; it's at that point that the people and the police of Gotham call him "The Riddler" which is a name that he hates and fuels his rage even further. While in prison, the Joker starts to take notice of these happenings and decides he NEEDS to get out now, so Joker being the Joker he devises a plan to escape, which works. With Bruce Wayne in his possession, the Riddler calls for Batman to come out of hiding, and every day he doesn't someone dies. The Joker sees that on the news which naturally infuriates him because that's his play. Bruce Wayne makes contact with Lucious Fox who locates him and extracts him and the others with the help of the police, but not without major opposition from Riddler who eventually gives up and gets away. And then comes the best scene in the whole movie; the first encounter between the two villians which will be hilarious and seriously scary at the same time. A conversation, a fight, whatever; they eventually part ways, but not without a promise on both parts that the other is going to die before this is all over. Bruce Wayne finally makes it back to the newly rebuilt Wayne Manor where he kicks the Batcave back into gear, and the new Batmobile is revealed. The crime fighting begins and from that point on Batman has total control unlike in TDK. The Riddler breaks into the asylum and presents Harvey Dent/Two-Face with a proposition to take down the Joker "and Batman too" says Dent "yeah that too, obviously" replies the Riddler. And all this will lead up to a climax of epic proportions with {The Joker vs The Riddler and Two-face} vs Batman} vs the Police. The Riddler dies, Two-Face dies after Batman tries to save him and The Joker gets away which will lead to a fourth movie which will be a Batman/Joker showdown that will be the end of both characters to wrap it up.

now that you mention mementto, why not (and this only if it is the riddler the next villian) have that dude guy pearce play him? i think he could pull it off, he has th right look....and they could probably go berserker and do ´war games´series with black mask making his film debut

#107, Matt, I like your thinking, The Joker is simply epic.

If Edward Nygma were to return I would more envision Steve Buscemi for that kind of role considering the dark and gritty nature of the film. But then what about a trifecta of females - like the Anti-Charlies Angels: Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, and Catwoman.. maybe some new female mafia/cartel of sorts?

If Johnny Depp was to take over the role he would have to study over everything Heath Ledger did for a long time, study the posture, the voice, the laugh, the walking, read over Ledger's writing, watch him over and over and over again, Dress the same, do the same licking of the lips like Ledger did, It would be a lot of work and Depp could probably pull it off, over studying for a couple of years, like everybody said the Joker is the ultimate villian and Ledger's Joker makes Jack Nicholson's look like a third rate two year old baby's birthday clown. So if Depp is chosen to fill in for Heath Ledger he needs to study and maybe he could do what Heath Ledger did.

It's funny how some of you are not entering the contest and you make it sound like your idea/story is going to get published somewhere else bigger! Hahahahaha...... don't hate, just having fun. Anyways, #109 I totally agree with you, Guy Pearce as the Riddler. Catwoman, either Kate Beckinsale (can't go wrong with her in skin tight suits) or Scarlett Johansson if they decide to go blonde (mainly for looks).

I have heard so many good ideas for a third movie that it' inspiring. However; I won't enter the contest for such puny prices. MY own favorite story for the third and final installment of the trilogy would come from," BATMAN SON OF THE BAT ". However; it would not involve Ra's Al Ghul. I agree with the commentators who stated that Mr. Nolan is interested in Dark but believable story lines. I also agree with the commentators that believe a movie with an Al Ghul would be a great bookend to the trilogy. Ra's Al Ghul is dead. However; his dream of Batman becoming his heir apparent can still live on with Talia Al Ghul. Batman is on the run from the police and gets wounded and can't get to Alfred. Talia has been keeping a track of him and come's to his rescue. She is now left with fulfilling her father's wish. In Talia's eyes ; The Batman is the perfect man for the job. He is now considered a criminal by the authorities. She tries every thing in her power including sexual seduction and love? Batman is tempted. He can use the resources of her vast empire for the benefit of Mankind. The Batman goes international. He fights crime on an international scale. This gives Mr. Nolan even more villains to add to his pool. I trust Mr. Nolan will use a dark international villain and crime cartel. I would use an intelligent " Dark Bane"who is both the ruler and the leader of an international crime cartel. In the ensuing battle; Both Bane and The Batman fall into a water fall inside the countries rain forest.( I propose a Sherlock Holmes vs Professor Moriarty death l;ock scenario.) The film allows The Batman to find love with Talia. However; instead of choosing incorrectly; he sacrifices himself to save Talia. After the credits; you see Talia holding a male baby.( The Iron Man Movie did this type of scene really well) The Dark Knight Trilogy ends with The Death of The Batman but leaves open the door for a future director to resurrect him as his son.(The Phantom Comic Book did a great job replacing the dead Phantom with his son) The end of Bruce Wayne will be tragic but the possibility of his son carrying on his tradition also leaves the audience with hope.

if they decided to bring the joker back i dont think they should use a big name actor like depp or any of the others mentioned. not that they couldnt do it justice but when you look and listen to the joker in TDK you cant even tell that it is ledger so i think get some lesser known but very talented actor to take up the role.. i think it will just make it seem less like there is someone new playing the role even though we know it is someone new than if say depp did it. but if they were to use depp, which i doubt they will cause they wont bring the joker back, he would do a good job. if you think about it they left it open for the riddler semi early in TDK, when the guy(cant remember his name) who finds the blue prints for the batmobile/tumbler when he confronts fox and say he wants all that money or he will expose bruce but then fox just mocks him, you can see him gettting very agitated and then when he is on tv about to say it he never gets the chance then either so he is slowly going crazy. so why not in the third film have him leave riddles for the police and everybody else about who the batman is and and then batman will have to take him down so that he is not exposed. all the while that the riddler is leaving these clues he is mad cause fox mocked him and he was never able to say what he wanted to say so he goes after fox and alfred because he knows that bruce is batman so batman has to stop him and then obviously the riddler would be committting crimes so that he gets the polices attention then they cant deal with him so batman has to. so then throughout the movie batman has to deal with the police and all the citizens of gotham plus the riddler. they should bring in a female.. talia al ghul would be killer just cause she hasnt been done before and like other posts she could kind of round out the al ghul part of the story im just not sure how they would work her in becasue there was no indication that ras alghul had a daughter or anything in batman begins. catwoman is a good bet thought just because of the foreshadowing in TDK but that might just be somehitng tho throw us off.. who knows. they wont bring in super natural villains cause thats not nolans style, he will keep it as believeable as possible also the idea of the riddles being a copycat of the joker just wont work, the riddler is completely his own character and wouldnt want to copy the joker. who knows it fox will even be back cause if you remeber he hated the whole survalnce of all te people in gotham and said that as long as it was in wayne he wouldnt be.. even though it was destroyed in the end but still you never know. and i agree with #117 why change whats already working?

LW Sig Heil! Herr Fuhrer The Aryan #117 Call's us silly. An Ad Hominid attack on me (Batman dies?) So you are The Superior Aryan who wants a Fourth Reich where only you get to express your comments But no one else can express themselves. Why don't you tell me your true name instead of hiding behind LW. Maybe you and I can meet and you can read Mein Kampf to me and I can read you The USA Constitution and Bill of Rights. I'm currently on leave before I go back to Afghanistan but I will take some time to meet you at a place near my home town of Vineland, New Jersey. How about The Cumberland Mall? You email me your email and I will email you mine. Then we can exchange personal information and meet in person. You lousy cowards who would shit in your pants if there was a draft always think you are so superior. Well you are nothing but a fascist coward!

#59------i had the same idea as urs, i truly believe that if nolan directs the next one he won't replace ledger with no matter who! he will respect his memory and use some of the unused footage to some how incorperate him in the new one! you say how...with the copycat character he can use ledger as a mentor for her and connect the dark knight with the new movie....and Talia al-Ghul must be in it too, her character should use the riddler to lure batman and thus connect it to the first nolan batman (begins). Now i don't want to think about plots but those are the main characters and again truly believe after much thinking that heath's joker should be in the next movie and won't be replaced by nolan! of course heath's joker won't be a full fledged character but just appears for a brief time to move some plot lines and inspire our new villain(s). which lead me to the conclusion that he will use unused footage(if its available)!.

to #126 I'm talking like, reference wise. Riddler's beginnings starts out with a crapload of child-abuse and at the same time, he was a kid-genius. Child abuse and child genius combined... not a pretty combination. He was also a criminal for as long as I could remember and never worked at Wayne Tech. I do agree though! That Riddler's obession with riddles and puzzles makes a very interesting character to potray on the big-screen. Also, for a short time, the Riddler reforms in the comic and I think if they are to do Riddler, having him lead up to that point in the film would be very interesting to see. to #123 Don't I have the freedom of speech to disagree with film possibilities that I whole-heartedly... disagree with? ... nuff said

Johnny Depp as the Riddler.

... *sigh* Anyway, I noticed I havn't really set down who my choice villain duo would be, but I agree with Talia Al'Ghul, as well as Lady Shiva, ((I can see Kelly Hu taking the Lady Shiva role)). Talia would be more of the dramatic villain, with Lady Shiva being her action-oriented assassin villain... as for the secondary major villain, I'm at a tie between Killer Croc and Clayface. Now, notice I said 'secondary villain'... that's because I'm thinking Talia Al'Ghul and Lady Shiva would be like... 'a one package' deal. .... and that ends my ideal Batman 3 fantasy... for now lol Oh! Also... the introduction of Robin... if his story is told in the right way.

i gotta say. i want to see a robin. no villian will be better then joker. and u can make a whole movie on just bringing robin to be takin seriously. im not a huge batman buff. but that kid at the end who two face was gonna kill. thers your robin. he idolizes him already. he will be the only one to never give up on him. robins got my vote.

#127 LW, that sounds like a perfect fit for keeping to Nolan's dark theme. A childhood of abuse, a boy genius, a life of crime. If they wanted to make a back story for the Riddler, why change that? It could make for some great dramatic flashback scenes. In Batman Forever he was obsessed with Bruce Wayne, in the new one I would propose that his obsession lie with The Joker.

to #136 Thanks

No Robin please. I like Nolan's Batman the way he is, no sidekick.

to #141 Relax, what kind of Robin are you expecting from Nolan anyway? A twelve year old boy, going on thirteen, who's golly-gee happy that his parents are dead? lol! Have some faith in the Batman saga to pull out a empathy-filled, overwhelming and gut-wrenching tale about Robin, if it happens to #142 There's a few things that make your plot dangerous to fans... not saying it's not creative! Just saying, because of your brand new back story for the Bane character... it's like you're making a Bane for an "alternate" earth or something... very, very alternate. Bane's identity is never known in the books... never known. He has a face, a voice... but no true name, kind of like how Joker dosn't have a real name. He does however, have a backstory that's already fairly epic. And seeing as how Nolan has been using the creme-de-la-creme of Batman stories for his movies... he'd probably use the story of when Bane broke Batman, (it's a very popular tale)... but who knows!! Maybe the writers have a even better Bane story already researched... who knows!! :/ _But_ if they do use the, "Bane breaks Batman" story as reference, I don't see how they would pull it off without Azrael... or Robin for that matter. And as for the Penguin, despite Danny DeVito's performance, (which is good by the way), he's actually a gentlemanly criminal. Not oily as you described... in fact, think Carmine Falcone, except with more manners, short, fat and with a beak like nose. Is he disturbed? Definitly... Sadistic as well! But compared to most Batman villains... he's the _least_ likely to kill and torture kids for the hell of it. You could even say he's the most in-control villain around.

they wont use the penguin because nolan has said publically that he doesnt like the penguin character if you read the story on the website in the address listed a few comments back nolan says that the riddler is the next villian.. howevere whon knows how reliable that website.. for all we know its all BS so who knows. if nolan decides that he doesnt want to do a third batman i dont think that they should do a third.. but then again whoever takes up the mantle will hopefully do it justice. i stick with the idea that the guy who found the blueprints will become the riddler and if the joker is brought back they should use a lesser known actor or johnny depp.

What about the ultimate battle Robin vs Batman?

#143 Just a personal preference. I just think that in the Batman world that Nolan has created, Batman looks and works better by himself. Of course that's not counting Fox and Alfred. There's plenty of story for the Batman alone without bringing in the boy wonder. I don't want this to turn into Spiderman 3 where there's too many characters/story to try and put in one movie. If they bring in Robin then that means that they'll have to introduce at least two new villains in the next movie, unless they just bring back the Joker and introduce just one new villain. Plus I feel that it's too early in the series to bring in Robin, maybe if they do a fourth film then they can introduce Robin. If not then you have Batman Begins, Batman vs Joker/Two Face, then Batman and Robin already? Again, it's just more of a personal preference. I just want to see Batman going solo for at least one more film before they bring in Robin. Riddler and Catwoman are still my picks.

on #125 i wrote that noln will not replace the joker but at the same time needs him for the new movie!! does anyone agrees with me? and what other ideas you have to use heath's joker in the next movie?? and i'm also sure nolan WILL NOT use a villain with super powers, hell, even tim didn't use any in his movies.! oh and somebody mentioned guy pearce for the riddler....WOOOW...pls nolan make it happen!!!

Did you guys hear that Christian Bale got arrested in London yesterday for allegedly assaulting his mother and sister?! http://stars.ign.com/articles/892/892546p1.html

Ok, just sent my idea in! I think Catwoman (with her Year One origin) and Black Mask as the new Crime Boss would be great. Plus, those two have a history in the comics, so they would complement each other well. Half an hour to an hour in, have an earthquake hit Gotham and start a No Man's Land/Katrina type story. And have Batman regain the trust of the city.

this is what i submitted. i know it's not the best, but i couldn't resist as a bat-fan. The Dark Knight Returns Both cops and criminals are hunting Batman. Bruce distances himself and hides in his new Batcave. A serial bomber surfaces who likes to leave the police with a riddle as a hint to where his next bomb is. Gordon is being investigated as an accomplice to Batman, but he finds a way to contact him. Batman solves the riddle, but is too late and more people die. A new riddle is found. An arms dealer, Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot, arrives in Gothom. The mafia calls him The Penguin because he is short, overweight and wears a black tuxedo. He hires an assassin named Bane who is intelligent and skilled in weaponry and the martial arts. Wanting to kill them both, The Riddler contacts them and informs them that Batman is someone who works at Wayne Towers. Bruce cracks the riddle which says the bomb is in Wayne Towers. Batman rushes to Wayne Towers to find Bane waiting for him. A huge battle ensues and Batman is severely beaten. The bomb explodes and Batman is crushed by a collapsed ceiling. Bane is unhurt and leaves believing that Batman is dead. Batman recovers and finds that Lucius Fox is among the dead. A new riddle surfaces, but Bruce is injured and demoralized and refuses to help. Gordon and the cops are clueless and many die from a bomb at Wayne Hospital. Gordon's wife is a nurse there and is in critical condition. Gordon blames Batman for not helping. Alfred chastises Bruce for his cowardice and indifference and tells him that instead of relying on armor and gadgets, that just like his father, he should use his mind and heart to help people. Another riddle is found and Batman deduces that Gordon will die. Batman also discovers that The Riddler is Edward Nigma, a genius. He was abused as a child and ended up killing his parents. Batman rushes to Gordon's police station, fends off the cops to disarm the bomb, and regains their trust. Batman finds and interrogates The Penguin who reveals that Bane was hired from Asia. Bane returns and kills The Penguin for snitching. He then contacts the Riddler who tells him that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Gordon gives Batman a new riddle and immediately discovers that Bruce Wayne's butler will die. He rushes over to Wayne Mansion to find Bane holding Alfred hostage. Batman tells Bane he knows that he's from The League of Shadows to avenge Ra's al Ghul's death and to take over Gothom. During the fight, Bane rips off Bruce's mask. Batman beats Bane and frees Alfred, but then a bomb explodes. The Riddler arrives to finish off Batman, but Gordon saves Batman and fights and arrests Nigma. Nigma is obsessed with Batman and views themselves as lost brothers. He threatens to reveal Batman's identity, but Batman is unconcerned and tells him that a riddle is not good if everyone knows its answer. Gordon says that he can't see without his glasses anyway.

Just submitted mine. Even if it is not chosen, I think it is a great tone for Nolan's vision. Based in reality with hyperbolic circumstances.

It's hard to write a sotry for a batman sequal as short as 500 words...it really is

No kidding. I tried, but if I could have used more words it would have been much better. Too vague. #157 I liked it alot! Very dark and entertaining for that matter. But yeah, Lucius dying would not sit too well for me. Like LW said, it would be like killing off Alfred.

The title of this Batman story is "The Broken Bat". The Riddler emerges as the main villain of the movie, by setting up his gang and staging elaborate bank robberies. While Batman can handle some of the robberies, the Riddler unleashes his secret weapon, the villain Bane. The Batman takes a pounding from him and the Riddler soon takes control of most of the city. Midway through the film, Tim Drake (the 3rd Robin as most fanboys would know) is introduced as a huge Batman follower, and, after getting a few tips from that page in "The Dark Knight" who knows Batman's identity, tracks down Bruce Wayne. Bruce, realizing he will need help on defeating the Riddler, reluctantly allows him to join as Robin. After a massive battle, involving a mob of angry citizens fighting the Riddler's gang, the Riddler is defeated, while Bane decides to go off on his own as a force of good. Bruce, realizing that the city needs a "good hero", decides to hang up the cowl, and help out as Bruce Wayne, leaving Robin (who probably should be cast as a collage student) to watch over the city.

I'm sure another Penguin-Catwoman based story could be used in the future. Underboss Oswald Cobblepot becomes the new Don of the Maroni Crime Family at the same time another powerful criminal organization is taking a foothold in Gotham resulting in a mob war. After Cobblepot's men successfully assassinate the rival boss, Selina Kyle assumes control of her late father's orgaization. Dark Knight had some inspiration from Godfather and Heat. I think this flick would be along the lines of Black Rain. Batman's caught in the the middle of the mob war. Amidst corrupt officials, politicians, cops. His only option is to compromise his moral grounds and team up with one evil to defeat the other at the same time secretly preparing to bring down his allies. Oswald could be one of the old school gangsters. A ruthless mafioso who wouldn't think twice about wiping out his enemies and their families, at the same time possessing a sense of loyalty and honor towards those who earn it. Good ally for Batman. As for the Catwoman. Being the sole heir to her father's empire the "Little Princess" acquired the necessary business and leadership skills. along with rigorous physical and weapons training. Ever since she did her first professional hit at age 15 she splits time between feeding her cats, killing or doing business overseas for daddy. Selina's not the typical Catwoman. She's a baroness simply called The Cat (as she had been at her first appearance in 1940 ) Instead of her traditional costume she prefers luxury clothing although she dons a protective leather outfit for fight scenes. She has no whips, just knives, guns and garrotes. She's one of the new generation mobsters, totally business minded, never to be trusted. Deadly with a smile. It would be neat to portray Hugo Strange as an associate of The Cat working as the head of Arkham Asylum where Batman is captured and tortured.

Well, since the hour is growing close, here was my submission: With Batman taking the blame for Harvey Dent’s crimes to preserve Gotham’s perception of him, Gordon and his peers at the Gotham Police Department have no choice but to chase the Dark Knight, treating him like the extravagant villains he has been saving Gotham from. The public reacts in anger and fear, causing the “copycat” problem to escalate until finally a vigilante emerges with the intelligence and capacity of Batman—the Reaper. Meanwhile, with the Joker’s incarceration, the mob has once again been left without a leader. Following a psychotic breakdown and partially inspired by the “masks” his peers, enemies, and most citizens of Gotham seem to be wearing, Roman Sionis dons the alias of Black Mask and takes the mob by force. Amidst all this, the Gotham Police Department gets a major boost in help on their Batman hunt when a mysterious figure calling himself the Riddler begins leaving clues at crime scenes that seem to be pointing to the true identity of Batman. A series of child abductions is also plaguing the city, executed by a creepy figure the media refers to as the Mad Hatter, named after his appearance. It soon becomes apparent that the Reaper does not share the same moral code as Batman, as he rarely leaves the criminals he faces alive, usually killing them with is scythes. Not only must Batman take down the increasingly intense and ruthless Black Mask and subdue the spiraling villainy in Gotham, but he must prevent the Reaper from doing the same in such a way that Batman sees as unjust. With two vigilantes running around it seems like it would be pretty easy to juggle more villains, provided their storylines were treated as minor ones versus the whole "Batman stopping reaper/redeeming himself" one. I think by the end of this film it would allow the citizens of Gotham to see the way things are and the way they could be, and finally "get" the purpose of Batman. It would empower Gotham and, while Batman's work is never truly done, it gives a sense that the wheels are in motion and a nice feeling of closure to the trilogy.

#162, sorry but that story won't work. You're missing one BIG thing. A major Villain! Just my two cents... I honestly don't know why so many people want to see Robin in the next installment already? Just two films ago we barely had Batman Begins, and we just saw Bats in one complete solo movie, now it's already time for Batman and Robin? Again that's just my thoughts....

#170 they actually talked about releasing a R-rated batman but i agree that abducting children probly wouldnt fly. i like the idea of scarface and then incorporate him somehow into a plot with the riddler and talia al ghul

To #169 and #170 I like it! Nice setup for the Black Mask. But it's not just these, "others" that inspire Black Mask. It's also his parents, who play a huge role in his origins. Not to mention, he does know Bruce Wayne personally, since his parents always kissed Wayne-ass, lol! And back-talked them a lot as well. However, in these movies, Nolan always likes to start from the beginning I noticed... IF they have a backstory, (ie. The Joker... who dosn't have a true past and a character that Nolan could just let loose from the start). So, I don't think he'd just plop in the Riddler and Mad Hatter... that's just one-too-many villains ... unless one of them just cameos, like Zsasz, in Batman Begins. The Reaper's story is a very dark and dramatic one. Aren't you worried that his story might attempt to shadow over Black Masks'? or vice-versa?... I mean... that's like 4 villains in your tale and each one isn't... less important then the other. Know what I mean? Oh! And DC is a very open-minded comic company, so child abduction tales are alright with them. Have you not heard of DC Vertigo? Anyway... yeah, still... gotta maintain that 14+ age rating.

R-rated batman? that'd be awesome...imagine what a frank miller script can do with an R-rated batman, the possibilities are endless!

to #177 This might be my inner-fan talking... but I'd feel a little betrayed if I saw full on tittage in a Batman movie. I'd be thinking to myself... "wtf are those doing there?", through out the whole movie. lol! Some tasteful nudity perhaps!... Like... a half-Talia Al'Ghul-boob shot or something. Very like... teasingly tasteful. lol

actually the more i think of it.. i like the abducting children idea it would totally compliment the dark tone ofTDK and then some.. and if they were to go the r-rated direction they could easily pull it off cause like #177 said the possibiliites are enless.

Since time is just about up, I thought I'd post mine here as well. I really wish I had 1000 words =( Shades of Gotham The hunt is now on for The Batman; the law has turned its full fury against him. Gordon, his position precarious due to his association with the now wanted criminal, can do little to arrest the tide of ill sentiment. Criminals begin turning up dead in droves, killed by bladed instruments. Batman takes the blame for this as well. Compounded upon this is the alarming swiftness with which a new lord of the underworld is seizing influence, a man known only as The Black Mask. He is systematically eliminating his competition, as well as those cops that can’t be bought. He also seems to hate Wayne Enterprises, whose personnel and property he targets ruthlessly. Politicians are meeting untimely ends, and being replaced by those favoring cowardly appeasement policies with regards to the mob. Bruce Wayne, the entire city turned against Batman, his business suffering greatly, is in poor shape. Lucius has refused to do any more work for Batman, stating simply that “power corrupts.” With Alfred and Gordon the only ones still in his corner, Bruce continues to patrol to the best of his ability. One evening, the Batman comes across a mugging where the criminal is stopped and dispatched by a black-clad woman wielding a short blade. He pursues her until she turns to meet him and they exchange blows, her greater agility proving a near match to his superior strength. She reveals herself as Talia al Ghul, daughter of Ra’s and new leader of the League of Shadows. She is aware of his identity, and says that she is here to observe him. Her father would have wished her to kill him outright, but her views are not quite as extreme. Prove to me, she says, that your naively idealistic methods can serve true justice, and I will leave you be. A newly motivated Bruce Wayne sets out to deal with this supposed Black Mask. The Mask, infuriated at the loss of many of his men (at the hands of Talia,) plans his revenge: releasing a “secret weapon” of his at a dinner celebrating Commissioner Gordon’s appointment whilst simultaneously planting a bomb elsewhere in order to distract the Batman. Fortunately, Bruce manages to get Talia’s assistance. The bomb is dealt with, and they jointly tackle the “secret weapon,” which turns out to be a monstrous brawler named Bane, drugged out on experimental steroids and heavily armored. He is finally subdued, but dies due to the stress on his system. The Black Mask is exposed and convicted as a result of these crimes. Batman’s actions have greatly swayed public opinion back in his favor. Talia says that she still finds Bruce’s methods to be grossly inefficient, though agrees to leave Gotham in his hands for now. She departs the city, though not before they share a night together, and she indicates that he’ll be seeing her again. The movie ends with Bruce reflecting that having “a sidekick” turned out to be more useful than he would have thought.

To #180 But what have Nolan's Batman films been about then? If not, beginnings? Batman Begins and Dark Knight are both strong origin movies and none of it was boring to me. Like... I dunno, but... seems like, kind of a cruel call to say... "sorry, but Reaper suffered more, so he gets more screen time then.... Riddler", lets say. :/ ... Anyway, just putting that out there *arms up in surrender* To #183 Not bad! Not bad! Seems pretty interesting . But Talia Al'Ghul playing second-potato to Batman, when she's like... the League of Assassins vice-head-honcho... dosn't sit well in my head . Oh! And Lucious dosn't quit. (SPOILER ALERT!!!) I believe he said he _would_ quit if the computer Batman made was still around when he came back. Batman then tells Lucious the auto-destruct sequence, and Lucious leaves satisified. (END SPOILER)

#185, Hehe, not attacking you, just explaining my logic in a little more detail than 500 words allows. I definitely see your point and I'm not saying origin stories are bust, but sometimes criminals are criminals and the "escalation" theory from the prior films suffices for minor instances. You get your "beginning" here with Black Mask, and another can be touched on when the identity of the Reaper is inevitably revealed, but the true "beginning" here is that of the Gotham that Bruce Wayne/Batman has been fighting for.

To #186 Really?? "Batman: Gotham Knight" links towards 'The Dark Knight Returns'?? wait... Let me wiki... Omg, you're right! I had no idea ^^ I just thought it was a really cool series of Batman animations . Anyway, now that I know this, I'm filled with even more bursting glee that I saw it . Now I wish I could've seen more Crispus Allen in, 'The Dark Knight', lol ^^. Eventhough we did get to see plenty of Anna Ramirez.... who is aka, Renee Montoya to me... I wonder why Nolan decided to replace Renee Montoya with Anna Ramirez now... hmm...

Nevermind, found a article that answers my questions. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16888

To #187 and #188 Thanks ^^

just a though because i know it would never happen, but if burt mccracken of the used learned how to act, he'd be a pretty good joker stand in, hell he's kinda crazy regular, in that joker kind of way, write him in as a copy cat joker who was in the gang and wants to be recognized as the top and no one does and have him wreck hell all over to show what he isnt, just a thought two face is coming back, gaurenteed, other than that i need to think a whole hell of alot still.

Here was my submission: This sequel will take place about a year after The Dark Knight. Wayne Manor has been rebuilt and the upgraded Batcave promised at the end of Batman Begins is complete. The Gotham City Underworld has been overtaken by a psychotic criminal known as Black Mask. His real name is Roman Sionis and as a young man he killed his parents and carved a mask out of the dark wood from his father's coffin. The movie could open with Batman breaking up a hostage situation and then being pursued by a SWAT team that was present. They go through The Narrows and we are introduced to Selina Kyle and Holly, two prostitutes (we're going with Catwoman's Year One origin for this one). Batman escapes and Selina decides to retire from her profession so she knocks out her pimp and takes Holly with her. She becomes a thief to support herself and Holly (and she wears an outfit like her current comic book one). Batman and Commissioner Gordon are meeting in secret to plot the downfall of Black Mask and lament that taking down the other crime bosses in Dark Knight led to the rise of an even worse gangster. Selina starts stealing from Black Mask and encounters Batman for the first time. There’s mutual attraction between the two. When Batman asks who she is, she tells him ‘Catwoman.’ Black Mask discovers that Catwoman is the one who has been stealing from him and decides to punish her. In the midst of all of this, a massive earthquake hits Gotham City . The Batcave collapses. Blackgate and Arkham are destroyed, releasing all the prisoners and Gotham is declared a disaster area (this will be like the No Man’s Land arc crossed with Katrina). Government resources are not coming fast enough and Gordon and the cops are working 24/7 to instill martial law. Gangs are running rampant. Batman and Catwoman are helping as many as they can. Batman’s legend grows as he saves more and more people and takes down more criminals. Floyd Lawton, an ex-marine sniper snaps and starts sniping people and cops. Batman takes him down after a chase through the ruined Gotham . Black Mask discovers who Catwoman is, kidnaps her and Holly and then kills Holly in front of her. Batman fights through a building full of Black Mask’s enforcers and then takes him down. He releases Catwoman and she kills Black Mask. Batman sadly delivers her to the police. The government finally arrives and restores order. At the end of the movie, Gordon fires up the Bat Signal and Batman knows that he is the city’s hero once again and has regained their trust.

even tho my last post was a situation for the penguin to come in that was just a thing to talk about because i dont think penguin would be good to bring and yeah exactly nolan said publically he doesnt like the character of the penguin.. he also said he doesnt want to bring in robin.. just so you know(those of you who want him anyways) but yeah #198 the black mask has actually showed up like a hundred times in different posts. that would be sweet but im still behind the riddler

Oooh I hadn't heard about the Teen Titans flick but every DC Universe film thus far has been excellent and the Wonder Woman promo seems to uphold that level of quality. I'll be excited to watch anything they produce!

to #202 lol, well... not saying Penguin isn't interesting of course! Cause he is! Most Batman villains are It's just that the general audience may not recieve him well, is all ^^ The only non-interesting Batman villain that Nolan shouldn't do is.... Polka-Dot Man. LOLZ!!! ... Actually, I take that back. Polka-Dot Man as Batman's next villain!!

Omg... you know what would be _really_ cool?... If Al Pacino did the voice for the Ventriliquist's "Scarface". ... that and Polka-Dot Man

I submitted 162 and the reason i didnt use any major villians is because there really insnt anywhere you could go. Poison Ivy: i suppose you could say she is defending global warming. But Ivy just sucks as a villian. Catwoman: I suppose you go with her it would just be tough to go there with the ending of the dark knight. Riddler: To much like the joker. Mr. Freeze: Worst batman villian. Penguin: Penguin is just step down from Two-Face and Joker that it wouldnt be worth doing. Azrael: This is the only one I semi support. If you've ever seen Robin's Reckoning from TAS. Thats kind of the story I was thinking of as a base if you know what I mean. With more of political corruption and GPD+Squat chasing. I dont know its just that Robin has always been there and its about time he gets into it.

#207 Mr. Freeze is an excellent villain. he's one of those villains where he's misunderstood and makes all the wrong choices for the right reasons to save his dying wife. his reality-based version would be quite difficult to pull off, but his origin and motives are very intriguing.

To #210 "only way to finish the triology"? "robin is gay"? "batman snapping old joker's neck"? ... What have you been smoking?! lol. There's many ways to finish the trilogy! Not just pulling out an alternative future from the, "Dark Knight Returns". And how is Robin gay, at _all_!! Dick Grayson gets ridiculous amounts of poon-tang, (ie. Huntress, Starfire, etc...) and if you're talking about Robin from, "Dark Knight Returns"... It's a 13 year old girl! And don't even get me started on just Batman killing Joker.... So... I parry your thrust, good sir! ^^

Penguin or Two Face should show up. An old school villain, no bane or whatever and no way in hell should catwoman appear

To #212 Once again... making up an origin for Ventriliquist... like we can tilt the DC balance, like we're DC's top writers or something and hope the fans will accept it sitting down... I say no :/ .... HOWEVER!!... not a bad tale ^^. The Ventriliquist actually has Mutiple Personality Disorder, ((bipolar is when you can only get things half-done... can you imagine that? lol ^^, "Batman! I will shoot you till you're dead!... *sighs* or half-dead... at least..... *sigh* or a quarter dead... *Batman stares up blankly*)) Anyway, one thing about the Ventriliquist's doll, Scarface, is that there's actually a 'supernatural' element to him. Not saying Nolan should put that in or not! But, it would be really fun to keep the audience guessing if Scarface is possessed or not, just through like... small hints and small suggestions here and there .... Really amp up the 'creepy' factor for Scarface! To #213 Nothing wrong with Catwoman. She's as old school as it gets. Has the recent Catwoman movie scarred you for life?... me to... *pats your back* To #214 And I'll say it again... knowing that, we now understand the Penguin's pain....

you cant have the riddler. mr frezze, ivy, cat woman etc. their all pansy "light" characters. the riddler would be the only one to work. and that is if if did his riddle crap but went complete heath ledger joker crazy at the same time. the successs of nolans fils have been cause the villians so far are like batman, dark brooding, complex, out casts of the shadows. their also smart and cunning like batmans. ras,scarcrow,joker. tim burton had it right. when he left they continued with ice cube,ivy,riddler,etc and it ruined the films. it may have been differnt if they used, reaper,black mask clay face. etc. also true the director sucked!!!!! for them last two films.

notice how i never said two face was a crap character. but i did accidently leave him out of the good character line example of nolans choice. scarcrow,,2face,joker,ras.

it would be sweet if it was just catwoman or jsut thalia.. no riddler or any of those villains. it would be a cool and unexpected way to round out the trilogy

#221 no, it would not be cool because neither catwoman or thalia pose a threat to batman which would present a very boring movie with no suspense and drama. both are considered more as love interests in the comics than villains or adversaries. the movie would be more of a romantic comedy than anything else.

Nolan cant pull miracles

What's with all the hate toward The Penguin? To me, Penguin, Riddler, and Catwoman are the only logical choices for the next movie. Sure, Black Mask is cool. So what? Most people don't know who he is, just like Ras. "Batman Begins" was a success without using popular villians. "The Dark Knight" so far is destroying the box office. Not only did we get Joker this time, but Two-Face as well. We even got a cameo from Scarecrow. Logic dictates that the Nolan brothers aren't going to back peddle and use characters that are lesser known. Sure, the Penguin isn't as over-the-top as Joker, but he's a great character. What Tim Burton did to the character in "Batman Returns" was goofy. If that's what most people are basing their opinions on, then I can see why no one wants him in the next movie. Think about this though: The Penguin has some pretty cool umbrellas, and was good in hand to hand combat. He wasn't a freaky little troll like in Burton's movie. I mentioned in my post #10 that I'd like to see Paul Giamatti as Penguin. Someone else mentioned Philip Seymour Hoffman, which would be great too. Another actor who could fill the bill nicely is Bob Hoskins (who is British). If you've seen "Unchained" with Jet Li, then you know Hoskins would be great as Penguin. He could pull off the gangster stuff too. I'm changin my mind! I want Bob Hoskins for Penguin!!!!!! Just to go back and respond to some posts: #85 I didn't miss the scene where the money was burned. If you'll recall, the Joker clearly stated that he was only burning his half. Where's the other half? #104 What? I think you put down the wrong post number. I never said anything about Rachel in my post.

To #228 So... Ra's Al Ghul wasn't a bonus? Zsasz and the man who possibly could be, "Sensei" isn't a bonus? ........ I see. Excuse me while I... rethink my life.

Alot of people are hating on burton who actually did the movies pretty well. Granted Returns not was "amazing" but it was good. Now Schumacher, thats a guy whos head I want. Batman & Robin and Forever were just umbareable.

To #230 Ahhh... you seem to think I want an absolute origin in a fan-boy-ish manner. Nolan stayed true to the source of The Scarecrow, Two-Face and the Joker. The exception being Ra's Al Ghul... but even then he used the character well. That's what matters here... staying true to the source. Perhaps you noticed that I've been mostly, "rude", (I guess) to stories that are less then parallel to the villains in them. If that's the case, I'll tell you this: They were 0% parallel... not parallel at all.... not true to the source at all.... at all.... at... all. You think Nolan _has_ been making stuff up, 100%? He hasn't... he took the heart or source of the origin and tweaked it enough to fit the movie or fit it in, 'Earth-Nolan', (If anyone here knows what I mean by that ) To the stories I've been nice to... once again, good stuff

#234 nice idea only problem is that you have to make another mmovie after that and show the joker in the next movie. Its end on to much of a cliffhanger, you know. Nice idea, just fix the end.

I say #73 has a brilliant idea. Although I'm completely distressed over the fact Heath Ledger will never play The Joker again (becuase we all know that was the director's intention and implication at the end) I think The Joker was way too great a character to pass up for another film. I truly hope they do bring the Joker back, becuase Heath put too much passion into that part in order for it to succeed only to fail with his untimely death. I say it would be great to find someone perfect to honor his role, and we all know Nolan won't let us down.

You know... I heard Adrien Brody was actually interested in playing the Joker before Heath. Although, he'd look more like the iconic, Jim Lee's Joker then Ledger's Joker. Do you guys think Brody could pull it off?

#239 - I thought Brody would have made a great Joker prior to Ledger being cast. Now that I've seen "The Dark Knight", I don't think he'd be a good replacement. A lot of people have already said this, but Johnny Depp is my top choice. Other actors to consider if they do in fact bring the Joker back: Matt Damon Leo Decaprio Josh Hartnett Shia Lebouf (I know I'm gonna get some hate for this one)

Sorry, I mean: **Accepting _of_ course, Riddler is Riddler.

New Villain Ideas, what do you think? CatWoman: Kate Beckinsdale Penguin: James Gandolfini Riddler: Paul Bettany

LW: First Showing has allowed you to get away with insulting the other commentators either directly or indirectly with sarcasm. You haven't responded to The Critic's challenge.Since it has been deleted by your friend at First Sight but not from my e-mail; I will quote it. "ok numnuts explain how the fuck I am a fool. And don't give a lame answer. go into it." You stated that you use the word as cad, rascal or whippersnapper. The Online Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines the meaning of the word fool as follows: 1.a a person lacking in judgment or prudence. 2.a A retainer formerly kept in great households to provide casual entertainment and commonly dressed in motley with caps, bells and bauble.b one who is victimize or made to appear foolish : Dupe. 3.a A harmlessly deranged person or one lacking in common powers of understanding. b one with a marked propensity or fondness for some something<a dancing fool . They defined dupe : one that is easily deceived or cheated: Fool. I believe that you are a terrorist. We have been looking for an Al Qaeda operative whose name when used as initials are LW.

This was my entry: After the events of The Dark Knight, Batman must defend Gotham from the extreme crime mentality introduced by the Joker, despite the city’s new disdain for the dark knight. Harvey Dent is revealed to be alive, although only in the persona of Two Face. He is found in Arkham Asylum (his consignment there kept under wraps from the city) where his dependence on his coin to make decisions is explored. Meanwhile, Roman Sionis (whose parents were old friends of Bruce Wayne’s) is suffering financial troubles with his cosmetics company after some products that he rushed into production contained a lethal toxin. Roman has no choice but to publicly accept money from Bruce and Wayne Industries to stay afloat in running his company. In a conversation about the issue, a bitter Roman explains to Bruce that his parents actually hated the Waynes, but proceeded to wear “masks” in public and pretend they liked them. Roman was always hated his parents hypocrisy and their neglect for him as a son. Deeply humiliated by having to accept the money from Wayne Industries, Roman becomes the Black Mask to build up a criminal organization and exact revenge on Wayne Industries. During a financial meeting, Bruce meets an accountant named Talia Head. The two become romantically involved although she is constantly pressuring him about his mysterious bruises and absent nights. Roman Sionis discovers he has a great aptitude for crime, creating the False Face Society, whose members must where a mask at all times. After building up the society’s power, Black Mask begins to set his crimes against Wayne Industries as well, torching Wayne properties and kidnapping Wayne employees. A master of torture, Black Mask even kidnaps his former fiancé to torture her and force her to reunite with him. Black Mask specializes in the use of masks coated with the toxic cosmetics his company manufactured to torture his victims. In one of his raids to obtain new members for the False Face Society, Black Mask breaks into Arkham Asylum and discovers Harvey Two Face alive. He urges Two Face to come with him and into the criminal underworld of Gotham. Two Face leaves the decision up to the coin and goes with Black Mask. Black Mask offers Two Face a position in his Society, but the coin ahs Two Face decline. Two Face falls into the criminal underworld, running his own jobs determined by the flip of his coin. As Batman investigates the strings of crimes committed by the Black Mask and works with Commissioner Gordon to apprehend and rehabilitate Two Face, he is saved one night by a mysterious woman in black, who appears to be very skilled in the same Martial Arts as him. This femme fatale urges Batman to kill False Facers and do what is necessary to rid Gotham of crime. Batman uncovers her to be Talia Head and realizes that her identity is Talia ah Ghul, daughter of his original adversary, Ras al Ghul. She explains that her father instructed her before he left for Gotham to have Batman/Bruce succeed him as head of the League of Shadows. Upon hearing that Batman had murdered criminals she thought he was ready to assert his position, although now her love for him has her torn between Batman and her father’s wishes. Something along those lines. and two face could have some redemption at the end saving batman because his arc wasnt really complete after dark knight. to play Talia i think someone like Rachel Weisz or Eva Green would be good. and for black mask, maybe someone like Clive Owen?

OK, looking at what was set up in the previous film, Joker, Catwoman, and the Riddler have all been potentially set up as future villains. And Batman has fully embraced his role as Gotham's champion, personal costs be damned. So, here goes: Spurred by the death of Rachel and Harvey, Bruce Wayne has embraced his role as Batman with a fever pitch. But he soon faces competition from a new vigilante with brutal methods. This new vig kills his mobster victims, and keeps their money for himself, but leaves curious clues at the crime scene. Some of these clues begin to point back to Bruce Wayne, and he is forced to cover his trail and pursue "the Riddler" without help from Gordon. Lucius points him in the direction of Mr. Reese, whose identity is revealed to be false. He believes himself to be honoring Batman for saving his life in TDK, by slowing drawing Gotham into his game of cat and mouse. Ultimately, Riddler wants to reveal Harvey Dent as the true killer in Gotham, despite Batman's coverup in TDK. Meanwhile, the Catwoman makes a name for herself in the underworld, hired by one mob boss (Cobblepot?) to steal from the others, keeping the best prizes for herself. When the Riddler sets his sights on her, Batman is forced to save her, prompting her to fall for him and vice versa. For the first time since Rachel's death, Bruce feels a human connection with her and longs for her to leave the world of crime. While she unite with the Batman? And will either survive the inevitable mob/freak war set up by the Riddler? PS- i loved number 73- very Nolan-esque twist!

To #252 My apologies for the last post, I wanted to add: If... Catwoman _were_ set up like that for the next film: It would have to be more like the Joker's introduction, "bank robbery" scene, in order to really establish her personality and character in the first few moments. Not exact! But similar.

Possible takes on the characters? Poison Ivy: Sinister socialite, more of a threat to Bruce Wayne than Batman... Catwoman: potential ally, but twisted motivation. Is a thief really worth the Bat's wrath? Mr. Freeze: Awesome physical threat and one of my personal favorites, but how do you make him realistic? Riddler: Good, but the Joker was better... And is he actually much of a threat to Batman? Clayface: Make the Joker look nice! Too bad he is completely unbelievable, though... Penguin: Nolan doesn't like him. Plus, he's kinda boring. My list of "realistic" favorites Bane: insane Arkham inmate? Or possibly similar to the hired gun from "The Batman" Hush: Great possibilities and a physically threatening presence. Deathstroke: 'Nuff said. Black Mask: Eh. Red Hood: awesome, but you'd need to explain Robin first.

to #243:This is The 21st century and we don't duel and you wouldn't get a parrying rapier thrust through your heart. However; You can wear foppish silk clothes if that's your choice. It is close to midnight here in Afghanistan and I' m going to get some sleep. I will continue our conversation when I'm back to BOOs.

Id love to see man-bat but like freeze probably wont happen

To #260 Really?! I thought Cillian Murphy was plenty, lanky and awkward, (no offense Murphy. lol! ^^). And I think he pulled off Scarecrow very well. He's also dedicated, seeing as how he appeared in the Dark Knight, giving us a, "usual night for Batman" type scene .

I know no one is talking about this anymore but I just saw the movie again a moment ago and wanted to address some things said earlier Arkham was reopened Harvey mentioned it that is where falcone is At the bank I don't think a bomb went off it was just the bass of the music notice no one reacted to it Lu never said he moved the money out of gotham but somewhere safe but still joker did say he burned his half As for the death of Harvey Dent no body no casket as shown so my guess they're playing it he died in the hospital explosion With someone else playing joker in the comics he's explained to have a super personallity he can change it at his whim hence why in the comics he'd be all funny one appearence then murdering maniac the next this could easily explain joker's character and behavioral change for the next film Oh with Resee I think I'm the only person who thought this but at the end when Joker threatened the city he was video taping was the talk show host who was interviewing resee besides he was on a bus and one did disappeared after the hospital exploded so Joker couldn't of driven Resee mad unless your saying the situation of everyone trying to kill him drove him mad. Oh with Riddler going the saw route trying to get revenge or whatever his motive when Batman stops one of his traps and riddler tries to figure out who he is by going after Resee. but if I was resee I'd get the hell out town they are all crazy in Gotham!

Prepare to hate me! I think the only way to close is with a love story with Catwoman. But still have Batman kick ass here and there to satisfy movie goers.

Chris, they would have to re-develop catwoman. I don't like how she comes to be. Cats bring her back to life or pocess her? Is that how it really is?

To 258 Trying to clean it up a bit A copy cat that looks like batman is killing cops. Gordon is stuck trying to figure out if its really nayman who he's been out of contact with since DK. Batman tries to investigate but the cops are inpeading his investigation. As for Bruce Wayne he is being stalked by Taila Head at different parties he attends when then he finally confronts her he falls for her and vice versa (not instant but over time) after they've spent a night together she reveals she knows about his night life (but never actually revealing she knows he's Batman because she doesn't know for sure) Bruce pretends to think she is crazy and throws her out. Riddler who at the start of the movie was hunting people who've wronged him after escaping batman (who never got a good look at him) he runs into Wraith and ends up working for him. He goes to the GCPD as a detective assisting them in capturing the cop killer. Batman continues his hunt for the murderer as Talia wrestles with doing what her Father wants or her love for Bruce. After a confrontation with Batman, Wraith runs into Taila who reveals to him that Batman is Bruce Wayne (thinking he's Bruce) and that she wants to combine her league of shadows with his mission. Wraith takes advantage of this by killing Talia and tells Ubu and Shiva that Batman killed her and he has Ubu and Shiva take the charge of the league to destroy the Batman. Wraith attacks the GCPD to finish what he started in the beginning. Riddler while staying at the GCPD transforms the building into a death trap but he sent a riddle earlier and is discovered the rest of the cops take out riddler as Wraith grabs Gordon. Ubu and Shiva with the other assissins attack Wayne manor and enter the new bat-cave which is set up for attacks and defends itself Alfred takes out Ubu with a tranquilzer gun as Batman fights Shiva who reveals Wraith's plan. Batman takes the bat plane and races to GCPD where he rescues Gordon and fights Wraith for the last time where he reveals his origin and after he's beaten refuses to be arrested and pulls the pin in his grenade blowing himself up. (or so it seems) in the end Talia is still alive and realizes Batman is Wayne she wants to tell him she's alive but recieves a call telling her to come home she responds yes Father. (I just thought of it but Joker plays a Hannibal Lector role to Batman's Claireese (or however you spell it in helping Batman catch up to Wraith)

To #269 Umm... when I said messy, I was talking more about the kind of muddled plot, as _well_ as your spelling mistakes >__< Worse yet, you start calling Wrath, Wraith!! And why would Talia sleep with Batman? Are you going for an alternate Damien? But most of all... spelling mistakes!!! AHHHH!! If you could fix up all that writing, I'd give it a definite nod.

Sorry I usually do all this from my phone and usually mispell my words when texting it. And no no son of the bat set up just how much she gets to him. But idea is batman versus Wrath. Tailafalling in love with Bruce Wayne but not sure if he's Batman or Wrath. Riddler setting death traps ends up going at it with the GCPD. Wrath takes control of the league of shadows tries to destroy Batman and kill Gordon Batman saves the day the people love him again

To #273 Ahhh... much better Still a few typos though, lol! I don't think Riddler is trying to kill Batman, as much as he's trying to, "solve the mystery" that's Batman though ^^ . You gotta remember, Riddler is more obsessed with ultimate puzzles then insane killing sprees. and oh yeah... ahh...loveee....

So I missed the deadline for the contest, but decided to post my idea anyways, just for kicks. Hope you enjoy. BATMAN: GOTHAM KNIGHT or GOTHAM UNDERWORLD In keeping with the theme of escalation exercised in The Dark Knight, the story would pick up directly where the second installment ended, with Batman being on the run. With Gotham’s mob scene in upheaval after the effects of Joker’s systematic chaos, as well as Dent’s revenge upon Sal Maroni, a new leader emerges in the form of the sinister Roman Sionis, aka Black Mask. This keeps with the theme of using villains from Batman’s Rogue’s Gallery not yet seen in this medium. Most of the source material would be drawn from the War Games comic storyline. The focus should be on Gotham trying to revive itself after the major events from The Dark Knight. Batman, reeling from the loss of both Dent and Rachel, struggles to pick up the pieces in his life, forcing him to push his cape and cowl into the background and spend more time as Bruce Wayne. He has to be both citizen and savior, and with one persona marred as a vigilante, he seeks redemption in the eyes of his people, a turmoil that must be carefully considered as the course of the film progresses. He is in many ways alone, taking upon his shoulders the entire city, trying to determine if one man can really make a difference, or is his a battle that cannot be won, merely subsided till the next psychopath comes along. Alfred will continue juggling between overseeing the rebuilding of Wayne Manor and attending to Batman’s needs as a second pair of eyes and ears. Commissioner Gordon will have his own trials and tribulations dealing with being Batman’s one ally in the GPD and struggling with the gulf dividing him from his family as he immerses himself in the struggle to bring Gotham back to order. I’m not sure there needs to be a love interest, though it would be interesting to bring in a young Selena Kyle or Talia Al Ghul. The primary femme fatale of the film however will be the infamous Lady Shiva, newly appointed as head of the League of Shadows, recovering from Ra’s Al Ghul’s death in Batman Begins. Her motivation in this film is not only revenge, but also to aid Black Mask in his quest to rein control of Gotham’s underworld. The teaser ending could incorporate our beloved Joker now committed to Arkham Asylum under the careful watch of Harley Quinzel as a clever prelude of things to come. The film should end as though there might not ever be a 4th film, but leaving the audience and fan boys alike with the feeling that yes, Batman has saved the day, but his fight is not over and may never be over. Perhaps as with the first movie, his battle is just begun, and that is forever his tragedy. He has the will, the technology and the fortitude to withstand the evils of Gotham, but the sad part is that Gotham’s evils will outlast him.

When are the winners announced?

To #280 Then what about her thief persona? Doing jewel heists and stuff?

To #282 Uhhh... not quite all there >__<

*** the last comment was adressed to #282 ((sorry again))

by the way, 242 all of those actors are terriable for the joker. You need a quirky guy to play the Joker. Hartnett has a monotone voice and no versatility. DiCarprio is great actor thats just not his thing, you know. Shia Lebouf is just a like a striaght man. And Damon another good actor but hes an action star not a character actor. Also when I say quirky I dont mean Depp! If anyone could pick up where Ledger left. Or even scrape the surface would be the other Gyllenhall.

I read a few of these and I didnt see anyone mention the Black Mask. He is easily a perfect fit. The first reason being he hates Bruce Wayne(not Batman). 2. He has just as much money as Bruce Wayne so while Batman is on the run you can have both these two take sides(bruce defending batman of course). On the flip side have Black Mask funding criminals to take over the city behind the peoples back while he acts like hes saving them by trying to kill Batman. Then he can hire someone like the Riddler or Bain to takeout Batman(just to add a second villian.

To #289: My story at 183 uses the Black Mask.

Alright, here goes. A dream movie that can top TDK. With Batman on the lam in Gotham, Bruce and Alfred decide to set up in NYC while things cool off. On the flight over, they are pretty shaken by an unusual thunderstorm, but manage to arrive safely. Bruce moves into a penthouse in New York, but he gets bored and decides to take his batgear out into the night. Eventually, he comes across a costumed figure tying a couple of guys up, and assumes that he has some sort of malicious plans for them. Batman tries to get the jump on this new "villian" but he proves to agile. As this new guy jumps into the light he's revealed as the amazing Spider-man!!!! Batman and Web-head duke it out for awhile, until Spider-man quips about how he's supposed to win since he is the good guy. They soon come to understand each other. The next day Bruce tries to make contact with Lucius in Gotham only to find that it doesn't even exist. He attempts to reach people that he knows in New York City, but no one has ever even heard of Bruce Wayne. Now, he's concerned. There is only one person in the city he has any contact with and Batman sets out to find him. As Batman scours the city for his one ally, our friendly-neighborhood Spider-man has trouble of his own. The Sinister Six have once again assembled and they are after Spidey's head. Batman runs into him and now the duo square off against the Six. Spider-man and Batman together are able to turn the tables on the Sinister Six. Batman explains his predicament to Spidey. He figures its some dimensional thing that is beyond him, but he knows someone that may be able to help. Bruce and Alfred meet up with Dr. Strange who sets up a portal for there plane to fly through. As they enter it the screen goes black and then blinding white. Alfred opens the curtains in Bruce's room. As he drops off breakfast, he notices a Spider-man tradepaperback laid open on Bruce's chest. And quips, "Aren't you a little old for that." Credits. It could happen. Maybe. . . in an alternate universe or something.

Post 263 "As for the death of Harvey Dent no body no casket as shown so my guess they're playing it he died in the hospital explosion" ARE YOU RETARTED? After the hospital explosion he was in the last 30 minutes of the movie as TWO FACE! He was at the last part of the movie with Batman and Gordons family. Two face shot batman. Batman knocked him off the building. DID YOU WATCH THE MOVIE!

To #295 lol, you'd better apologize chris He's talking about the Gotham Police making it _look_ like Harvey died in the hospital... he's talking about the cops covering it up basically Hurry! Before it's too late! lol!

sooo... when are they going to post the winners? its been like a week hasnt it?

Ohio in the house! Even though I don't live there anymore unfortunatley.

To #302 Yeah man, I had like, a full-on paragraph written out >__<

hahaha see my plot is awesome its the Joker back to wreak havoc !! muahahahahaaaaa !

I like the "plant lady". I can't remember her name, and also Hugo Strange with the ventriloquist and his dummy. I remember a great story in Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight, with Hugo Strange. I think Brian Bolland was the artist. Early 1990's?

#287 - You're right. Gyllenhall would be perfect. I completely forgot about him. You got admit, though, that it would be a little weird seeing him take over for Heath after "Brokeback Mountain". Maybe they could open the movie up with The Joker smelling a shirt.

To #312 Talia is neither a vigilante or Batman's love.

i just read an article in the daily news and it says that the original catwoman wants angelina jolie to play the part in the sequel

To #317 Quick note: Let it be known though, that on 'Earth-One', (the main ongoing DC Universe), that Damian is actually a test-tube baby lol .

To #317 You are absolutely right! Let's forget Damien as part of the story.1st; I still would like to hear you opinion as to why can't a female like Talia Al Ghul can't be made into a dark,formidable villain. 2nd; why does the main villian have to be a man. I'm thinking of Underworld's dark, formidable female vampire. lol .

... and by using Polka-Dot Man... of course.

Ahhh... the grand question: http://www.comicvine.com/polka-dot-man/29-6845/

The theme of "The Dark Knight" was escalation. Bruce Wayne decides on a plan of action, which causes the mob to react by hiring someone to kill him. Screenwriter David S. Goyer told interviewers that he's decided on a theme for the third movie. And since Goyer is rightfully known as "The Prince of Darkness" (he wrote a JSA comic book using the name) it doesn't look hopeful for Bruce. Christopher Nolan said he wants the third movie to be "head and shoulders" above the first two. which means, if I take it right, that he doesn't want to repeat the experience of "The Dark Knight." How to make it better? James Cameron has one solution. "All of my films are love stories." Bruce Wayne falls in love, and love pulls him back from the abyss. Allows him to put away the Batman costume forever. But... alas, Goyer. No happy endings for a Prince of Darkness? My entry had Bruce falling in love with the daughter of a crime lord... and when her parents are murdered, Bruce realizes that his own feelings about the murder of his parents became pathological. By helping her, he helps himself. And when he realizes that she is basically the same as her father.... motivated by a need for power and control... and the murder of her own parents was only a smokescreen in her plan to kill all the Gotham crime lords... not put them in prison, but in graves.... then Bruce realizes that her twisted logic actually offer him the solution to his own problem. If the wife of Bruce Wayne kills all the criminals in Gotham city, the city won't need a Batman.

To #321 After reading your earlier comment; I did misunderstand it. Who is Polka-Dot Man? lol

I actually like the idea of Bruce Wayne returning to his own life, not as an expression of personal desire, but more as a matter of strategy. He can monitor Gotham, as Wayne, and wait for the day that Batman must return again. Which perfectly sets the stage for the eventual screen treatment of : The Dark Knight Returns.

I'll try to find a Cliff's notes on "Hamlet" and re-read it. But MY concept is... Bruce Wayne wanted to bring down the crime families in Gotham. Getting involved with the League of Shadows was a huge detour in the wrong direction. In "Batman 3," Bruce falls in love. I mean, we let the guy find the girl who will make him happy. Happy as Bruce Wayne, NOT as "playboy Bruce Wayne" or Batman. As Robin Williams said in "Good Will Hunting," the goal isn't to find the Perfect Women. The goal is to find the woman who is perfect for you. This would be a woman who (still working this out) has been fighting crime in Gotham for years, in her own way. By killing people. She does the one thing Bruce refused to do because.... (drumroll) it actually solved the problem. And she didn't have the resources of Wayne Enterprises. And when she sees Bruce Wayne, she figures him out. Reads about the death of his parents.... and she sets up the murder of her own parents, right in front of Bruce. If she's the daughter of Ra's Al-Ghul, she can't set up his murder. She has to be the daughter of two parents who are very similar to Bruce's parents. And then, she plays the role of a female. She doesn't go to the gym and bulk up, or spend years learning how to disable an opponent with one punch. She marries the Prince of Gotham. Which creates problems for Bruce. He hires an actor to impersonate Batman, wear the actual costume, so his wife won't suspect... I'm thinking he hires George Clooney. "You use to play Batman in the movies, right?" "Well, that was a long time ago." "Maybe you can do something that will make up for it." I'm thinking that she spent years at a good college and got a degree as... a psychiatrist. Why? Because Bruce's father was a doctor.

To #333 Ahhh... well, even though Nolan changed so much... he still stayed true to heart of the characters of the Batman universe and who they are. In fact, even when Ras did train Bruce in, 'Batman Begins', Bruce had already been through numerous training everywhere, all around, (it's even evident in 'Batman: Gotham Knight'). And I _love_ Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow ... the whole burlap sack over the face thing just looked so awesome to me. My only complaint would have to be about 'Anna Ramirez'. Nolan once said that he had to change her name for the purposes of the movie. I don't see why these changes were necessary, but I admit it didn't effect the movie too much for me. Anyway, as for your main question umm.... Batgirl is obviously too young, (she's still very, very young in 'Dark Knight'). I guess the deeply disturbed rape victim, Dr. Harleen Quinzel would make a pretty nasty villain. I'm sure the origins of Catwoman would be very emotional if done by Nolan. As for a heroic equal? ... the Huntress? lol ^^ It maybe still a bit early for a equal female vigilantes right now, unless Nolan talks about Black Canary just the right way... even then I have my fearful doubts. ... I'm honestly... with the way Nolan has done things... am very ready to except the existence of, 'Earth-Nolan'. ((You'll know what I mean if you understand the current DC Universe right now. lol!))

To #322 Django, That's why I made the reference to the line from "Good Will Hunting." You don't have to wait for the perfect women. You'll do much better if you search for a woman who is perfect FOR YOU. Look at the women that Bruce Wayne (in his foolish playboy identity) dates. He can't afford to let any of them get too close, or they might discover his secret. During the fundraiser for Harvey Dent, two people saw his secret entrace to the... whatever. One thing we know about "Batman 3": Nolan will have a budget to create a new BatCave and a new Wayne Manor. He won't have to borrow a penthouse from Hotel 71 in Chicago and have Alfred explain "The new Wayne Manor hasn't been rebuilt yet." In "Batman 3," the new BatCave will be a characer in the movie, just like the city of Chicago was a character in TDK. In MY version, the perfect woman for Bruce Wayne has been fighting crime for years. She's been killing criminals who posed a threat to her father (who is a retired drug lord with people everywhere)... and the police have labeled every one as an Accident, a Suicide, or an Unsolved Crime. In other words, she's taken down dozens of criminals in Gotham, and the police don't even have a vague suspicion about what she's doing. That's why she would be a perfect match for Bruce Wayne... IF she can get his true personality to re-emerge. And... the dilemma. When Bruce Wayne discovers that she has murdered criminals, what does he do? Turn her in? His decision will reveal his inner character. I'm thinking Julianne Hough from "Dancing With The Stars." A girl so happy and beautiful, everyone falls in love with her. And she could change costumes. She could be The Riddler, Harlequin, Catwoman, the Huntress.... In Gotham society, an heiress would never let herself be photographed in the same dress twice. Not exactly sure WHY she would put on a costume, but maybe her parents host a Costume Ball for Halloween... and she uses the costumes to get Bruce's attention. Just read the contest winner. Since the contest "rules" said: The Riddler? Penguin? Robin? Catwoman or Batgirl? Who would Batman fight? Would he finally save Gotham City? I don't think just giving "The Riddler" without a story is enough.

coming from somebody who has never read the comics, but was uttterly amazed with Batman Begins, and deeply disturbed by the darkness of themes in The Dark Knight, yet utterly blown away, i can only suggest one angle. To those of you who insist that Harvey Dent's rise and demise is too good to throw away and not further develop in a third film, all i can say is you have a darn good point and ill never say never. But i am too scared, like many at this point, to even think about another single film to top this one. I want to revel in TDK for many years to come. I am thinking along the lines of the Nolan brothers planning a potential Joker and Two Face return in third, but Ledgers' death have scuppered any sort of exploration down that route far away from realistic do-ability. It could possibly be done, but would require extreme precision. Maybe all these loose ends were intentional but now cannot be done. In one mind, I would like to see the importance of the Joker remembered and emphasised with villians taking his extreme philosophy and wreaking havoc. But i for now am only prepared to hope for "gotham has been damaged by the joker - and we need him (A hero, and or batman?) now more than ever. Batman s recovering from his ordeal, and maybe his depth is explored further - a human. Regarding Robin (i have seen the one with george clooney, and now laugh at it!) bringing the legend into the series in an appropiate way would be very satisfying. Would Robins history reflect well upon the dark themes of the series? Could the Nolans pull it off? I have no doubts in whatever they decide to do next, THEY WILL DELIVER. Closure. And triumph for our favourite Bat. By the way, was you surprised by the way the Batmobile entered as a giagantic 4x4 monster of sorts? What do you think they should do in the next one? Should a throwback to the classic elaborate sports car be used? I doubt it with nolans style, but would something SMALLER like the bat pod (i LOVE the way it emerged! LOVE IT!) return? Regardless, all these ideas are just incredible. I really must invest in the DC universe. I sure am in for a treat.

To #338 Cutting 'Earth-Nolan' a little short aren't we? And deep down inside, I don't think this is the kind of plot you want for the third film. lol ^^

My immediate reaction is thumbs down, because the Comics DC puts out these days are utter shite. But if they started making Batman comics under the Vertigo label -which was created as a Writer-Centric branch of DC - then I'm all for it. I just don't think Earth Nolan should be brought anywhere near DC and its multiple earth's B.S. But that's just me, coming from Earth Me.

I don't know if this idea has been brought forward yet, but I think it would be really sweet: Have the riddler in the third movie, entitled either "The Dark Knight Returns" or "Shadow of the Bat". The riddler isn't THE central villain, only a means to the end (like Scarecrow in Batman Begins). Nolan has a real interest in reusing good actors... (The Prestige was Batman vs. Wolverine with magic tricks) ... so the Riddler should most definitely be Guy Pearce. Instead of being a laughing maniac that resembles the Joker, he should be a calm, detached prisoner of Arkham that is just as interested in solving riddles as he is in giving them. (He could have the question mark carved as a scar in his chest by his abusive father). It'd be cool if Commissioner Gordon compromised his standard by using an imprisoned riddler to deduce who Batman is (as Batman hides in the shadows, 'retired' after TDK) To complete the story arc in the most unifying way, the film will allow Batman to once again become the protector of Gotham, not necessarily appreciated by citizens, but feared by criminals. The Joker will be referenced in the film as laughter carries through the walls of a Arkham cell, or perhaps Batman will find another Joker card at the end of it all. I think Hush would be a great villain because there is an interesting backstory that could be tailored to the needs of the third film. Hush's motivation could be tweaked so that he also wants to be the most feared man in Gotham, (but I'm sure some of you that know these comics better would think I'm pissing on batman lore). Anyway, just some ideas.

LW lol: I do understand the current DC Universe. I don't like The Final Crisis Ripoff any more that I like The Marvel Universe's Skrull rip-off. They both are ripping off their fans with these maxi-series and the multiple miniseries. The books that have Batman include Batman, Detective, Trinity, The Justice League of America, Batman and The Outsiders and Superman/Batman. They are not as dark as I want them to be. I agree that Nolan's take is darker then any book in the Current DC Universe. I don't believe that women can be in today's Marines. We are no longer considered part of the regular armed forces. Our other members also don't accept women.Our other members in USSOCOM include : Airborne, Rangers, Green Berets, SEALS, Air Force Special Operations, and other Special Forces. Killing women insurgents and having them kill my men has left me with both hatred and respect for warrior women. None of our regular forces allow women to participate in the killing of our country's enemies. I agree that it is probably to early for Nolan to bring a woman as either a hero or villain. Earth Nolan Dark DC World is definitely more to my liking then DC's light world.lol

To #346 Your plot is a mess Tony. And a plethora of random new characters?... what the f? ... I hope that you were just kidding around >_< lol

People are shelling out ten bucks for a movie ticket pal! Give them the godamn Rogues Gallery! You know that's what the people want!

Yes... Polka-Dot Man is very, very lame. lol!! ^^

To #352 HEY.... ........ Shia LeBeouf is awesome...

Ok so, the villians? Two-face back into the mix with harley quinn. Everyone thinks Harvey is dead, the city is in mourning and out to get the batman. So who should happen to be on the roof of MCU? None other than the Commisioners daughter. She confronts Batman knowing the truth about the night when Twoface was going to kill her brother. Reluctant at first, Batman takes her on and trains her. Meanwhile, in gotham, we learn that Dent is not really dead and has a hot new assistant- Harley Quinn( who has to beplayed by someone who could make her just as crazy as Joker was). Dent and Quinn are planning to break Joker out while the city hold a parade. Like in Burtons first movie, Quinn and Dent gas the city so they can break him out. Dent has only enlisted Quinn as he thinks that when she gets Joker out he could kill Batman. So with the whole city in dire panic, its up to Batman and Batgirl to sort things out. Actresses for Harley Quinn>> Eva Mendes/Jessica Alba?? Actresses for Batgirl>> Dakita Fanning/Anna Sophia Robb

If they made a sequel where Batman has to take on a gallery of villains instead of your routine 2 or 3 baddies per movie then I assure you all that that one movie WOULD BLOW STAR WARS OUT OF THE WATER! I shit you not!

TEASER TRAILER...We see WB Logo, DC Logo, and Legendary Pictures Logo. ANNOUNCER: A city in fear...A helcopter searches the slums of Gotham with its search lights. ANNOUNCER: A hero on the run...Bruce Wayne tears off and studies his WANTED poster. ANNOUNCER: A city with no law or order...We see a flaming "A" in a circle of fire. ANNOUNCER: A new hero will emerge...Azrael trades blows with Bane. ANNOUNCER: A heroine as well...Batgirl fends off kicks from Catwoman. ANNOUNCER: A face in the crowd...Clayface Ben Kingsley changes into Gordon in a mirror and grins. Deacon Blackfire raises his arms high and says "Now...it...begins!" Mister Freeze fires his polarizer. Harlequin fires her pistols from Joker Car. Joker lowers his rocket launcher and fires away. Beat cop asks costumed hero "Who are you?" The hero replies "I'm Nightwing!" The Penguin puffs on his cigar and fires his Umbrella Gun at The Batman. Poison Ivy blows her "Lust Dust" at the audience. Riddler emerges from shadows and removes his derby hat. "Hey diddle diddle, have I got a riddle," points his cane at audience, "For you!" Mobster Michael Imperiolli asks shadow "Who are you?" No reply. "How'd you get in here?" No reply. "And what's wit dat stupid puppet?" The Ventiloquist cackles as he and Scarface fire their Tommy Guns at hoods. Anarky raises his cane high in the air. Azrael stands tall and triumphant. Bane cracks his neck. Batgirl perches on ledge. Catwoman squats on police car. Batman sees Batgirl. "Great. Another Bat!" Batgirl with hands on her hips. "Two bats are better than one!" Penguin rises from his throne and growls "BRING ME THE BAT!" Gordon on rooftop with The Batman. Gordon says, "They're going to take over Gotham!" Batman replies, "Not if they don't kill each other first!" The Joker points at audience. "He who laughs best...laughs last!" HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Nightwing asks Batman, "What are we going to do?" Batman replies "I am going to take MY city back!" Batman soars away. Screen goes black. Title appears. DARK KNIGHT RISING. Fade. SUMMER 2012. END.

Hey CRITIC,uh for your info ET was once #1. Yeah till TITANIC sailed over him! And uh STAR WARS was like at number 3 till it got reissued and diplaced ET. So uh for nothing touching STAR WARS James Cameron and company DID!!!

Hey LW don't get all negative on me! The reason you say that is because BATGIRL sucked so bad in BATMAN AND ROBIN. No argument there. But who says she has to be a teenager huh? Let's call her oh I don't know Betty(like Betty Kane the original Btagirl) and let's give her the last name of Gordon. Betty Gordon the niece of Comissioner Jim Gordon. Hey now we're going somewhere with this huh? Let's give her a job now. Uh let's see...hey I got it! She's the new girl at GPD. Yeah she's a CSI! She's sexy, she's tough, she's brainy. A far cry from Alicia Silverstone! And what do you have against NIGHTWING anyway huh??? He's way better than just plain old ROBIN! Oh by the way LW I AM A SCREENWRITER! Just thought you'd like to know...

To #363 Tony, you can't just plop in 'Batgirl' and 'Nightwing' just because they're 'cooler' :S ! That's all I'm saying >_< The problem isn't Batgirl being a teen... the problem is that Batgirl is still a 3ft tall munchkin in 'Batman Begins' _and_ 'Dark Knight'. For crying out loud man, we see her as a baby girl in a high-chair in 'Batman Begins'! Are you trying to extend the Gordon family tree or something? :S Did you not notice her in either film? Even 'Robin' was 12-13 before he started striking guys in the throat :/ And Nolan already decided not to do Robin anyway, it's way too early for him it seems. And if it's too early for Robin, aka Dick Grayson, then it's obviously wayyyyyy too early for Nightwing.

Now as for Robin. I liked the way they brought him into the fold in BATMAN FOREVER but they blew it with BATMAN AND ROBIN because it was too much like the gay TV show! Right? Now we all know that Dick Grayson went on to become Nightwing. Shit, Nightwing got his own comic book series! But poor Jason Todd was just too gay so the readers gave him the thumbs down and The Joker killed him! As for Tim Drake(my Robin in my BATMAN III script) he went solo and had his own comic book series. WHOO! Now my point is this, the people(from what I've read) are sick and tired of Robin so I suggested bringing in a kickass Nightwing to help clean up Gotham City. This sets us up for a spinoff! See? The people like Nightwing! Go read the posts! Me? I give the people what they want. Batman asks Nightwing "Why are you here?" Nightwing replies "The Justice League sent me." JUstice League Movie anyone? At the end of the flick Nightwing leaves. Gotham belongs to The Bat. He knows his boundaries. What next for Nightwing? Go solo or perhaps captain The Teen Titans? HMMMMM! See? I'm a visionary...

To #359: that has to be one of the most laughable things ive read any of these dark knight sequel boards. that is extreme overload and sounds like a joel shumacher batman on crack. No, disrespect, but if your a screenwriter you might realize that to have a realistic batman movie, you couldnt cram all of the characters into a 2 and a half hour movie and have it be half decent. i dont know how well that could fly in a comic or cartoon even, but for a realistic and decent movie, that really could not work

Too many naysayers on this thread!

I have a question for anyone that could help me. Does anyone know the chronological order of the modern Batman story? I was planning on reading them, starting off with Batman: Year One, but I don't quite know what comes after that and in what order.

#373 LW can help you with your request. LW: I like Final Crisis too. What I don't like is the mini-series that are as lame as the miniseries in Infinity Crisis. I only asked my girlfriend to get me the 7 issue Final Crisis Series. The predators in the first third of the movie is The GCPD. Commissioner Gordon will be on his side but GCPD will be using helicopters and every thing else in their arsenal.I loved the scenes of Batman Beating up GCPD's SWAT team. Batman is on the run and the city returns to anarchy when Nolan's choice of Batman's rogue gallery escapes Arkham Asylum. I will leave the details to Nolan. Batman is now the prey of both GCPD and his/Nolan's choice Batman's Rogue Gallery that escaped The Arkham Asylum. Again Nolan can use whichever psychopaths and fashion them in the same way he fashioned The Joker and Two Face. The more of Arkham Asylum's escapees he captures; the more the GCPD start taking Gordon's view of The Batman. In The end; he returns all the escaped psychopaths to Arkham Asylum. The Gotham City residents, The Mayor and the Police department finally accept him as the unofficial Guardian of Gotham. Nolan can come up with a title that fits the movie. I like "Batman Redemption". What do the commentator think. Remember before your ad hominid attacks that I am leaving the choices of villains to Nolan. I believe that he can turn any member of Batman's Rogue Gallery into as great a pair of villains as his Joker and Two Face. He can also come up with a great explanation as to whom or what caused the escape from Arkham Asylum.lol

Drops his checkered pants and invites LW to kiss his ass!!!

The Nolans like pulp like THE SHADOW. So they'll probably do THE BLACK MASK or present THE PENGUIN as AL CAPONE. They like the supernatural too(Scarecrow) so we might just see THE VENTRILOQUIST. Could you guys imagine that dummy smoking a cigar and barking orders? Delicious! Reminds me of CHILDS PLAY and MAGIC! And if they got Gandolfini or DeNiro for the voice of SCARFACE? Perfection!

Dark Knight introduced a variation of "The Sons of the Batman" from Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, could there be large groups of Joker-inspired criminals running around Gotham now? This is where Harley Quinn emerges. But the main villain is Riddler. Gotham's politicians bow to public pressure about finally catching Batman and bring in an outside consultant to head up the investigation. Riddler could be the villain that Batman hasn't faced yet; an antagonist that matches his intelligence. In juxtaposition to Lucius Fox in Dark Knight, Riddler is given unfettered power and knowledge to catch Batman but ends up using it for personal gain. Obviously Batman swoops in and saves the day, somehow absolving his "sins" from the last movie. However, Nolan may go ahead and turn the former Wayne Enterprises employee, Mister Reese, into Riddler (as it seems this is where the story line is going). If that's the case, then Riddler would be a second tier villain to someone else (more than likely using his leverage over Batman to commit crimes without interference). Joker/Two Face seem unlikely for the next film but down the line? If the series does continue beyond a 3rd film Joker could return after a decade of being locked in a cell by himself. How much crazier could he be? And an older/varied version of Joker would probably be more accepted now that the character has to be played by another actor.

Oh and My Cast: Bruce Wayne: Christian Bale Gary Oldman: Jim Gordon Michael Caine: Alfred Morgan Freeman: Lucios Fox Lester Carbonell: Mayor Garcia Joshua Harto: Coleman Reese aka The Riddler

Oh - and this should go without saying. The actor who played Kyle Reese, while he may be someone that many of you relate to, as the single most ordinary person in the entire franchise - he may be set up with the vengeance motivation against Batman to become the Riddler - but that actor will have to grow some serious cojones, if he's to take the *unbelievable* jump, from whimpering sour-puss, to City-Seizing criminal mastermind - all within the transition from one movie to the next. The guy's unlikable. The guy's completely despicable. (as so eloquently pointed out by Morgan Freeman - ' and your plan is to Blackmail this person? ... Good luck.) Not to mention the guy's a timid little nothing of a wimp. Riddler might, on a slow day, seek his help out and try to find batman's secret identity through him, but I think for someone with the clout to uphold the name Riddler, or even Edward Nigma, they wouldn't be caught DEAD wasting their time with a red-headed stepchild the likes of Reese. Try. Harder.

To #385 I was about to just give up on the whole, "no Reese as Riddler" thing since I've been epic-ignored, so thanks for backing me up Seriously though, they changed one character name in the whole "Earth-Nolan" Batman... and that was Renee Montoya to Ana Ramirez. Do you really expect Nolan to change even more names just because of that one change?... Even then!! It was for very specific purpose to the plot. 'Joe Schmo' as Mr. Freeze? 'Mizz Lady' as 'Catwoman'? ... 'Dick Inmias' as Clayface perhaps? ... I don't think so.

You know something people? Forget the naysayers like LW and DJO and Kellie! Fuck them! If you got a story to tell or share, then tell that story. Share your story. Just make sure you have good grammar and spelling. I shit you not. Producers have no patience for illitercay. I am articulate in the English language. I once wanted to be an English Teacher! When I write my scripts I lose myself in THE STORY. I BECOME MY CHARACTERS. As a screenwriter you are taking the viewer by the hand. Come here. In here. Have a seat. I want to show you something. And you take them away for 90 minutes, 2 hours, 3 hours. Whatever! Now me? I HATE 90 MINUTE MOVIES! I feel like I'm being "gypped" for want of a better word. I'm paying 10 dollars for a 90 minute movie? FUCK NO! Why? Because I feel you cannot fit "it all" into a mere 90 minutes. That's why. For instance, let's look at my BATMAN III. You want inner conflict? Bruce Wayne wants to hang up the cape but he knows Gotham needs him. How's that? You want a romantic angle? Okay. Bruce Wayne is in love with Selina Kyle. He wants to marry her. So he gives her a diamond ring. "That's one ring you don't have to steal!" he tells her. Selina is touched. She loves Bruce. Her eyes water with tears. "We could never be,Bruce," she tells him. "Why?" asks Bruce. He's at a loss. Selina explains that she can't resist being Catwoman and that he Bruce Wayne will never "kill the bat." So they go their own ways. Sad huh? You want conflict? Toss in ROBIN WILLIAMS(yes I said Robin Williams) as MISTER FREEZE. In my version Freeze was George Newby. Newby was a loser toymaker who invents a Polarizer for The Mob. They kill him and steal his invention! Boy! Talk about gratitude! A freak accident involving electricity brings George Newby back to life as the venomous MR. FREEZE who warns a sleepy Gotham City "Beware for a storm is headed your way!" So I had a tortured Bruce Wayne in love with a tortured Selina Kyle. Threw in Mister Freeze. Shake well. Freeze(much like the icy imp in YEAR WITHOUT A SANTA CLAUS) gets revenge on HARVEY KEITEL and JON POLITO the mobsters who double-crossed him. Batman investigates. Breaking up a bank robbery, The Bat runs into a fresh faced teenager named Tim Drake. Drake saves the life of a little boy as The Batmobile loses control on an icy road. Batman is taken back by young Drake. Then someone starts following The Bat as Freeze puts his evil plans into motion. One night there is a break-in at THE BATCAVE. It appears young Drake has compromised Batman's Security Clearance and invaded his inner sanctum! Bruce is not at all happy! Alfred is amused! Tim explains that he is a student at Gotham Prep and he wants to be you guessed it a detective! "Maybe you two could work together!" offers Alfred. "Stay out of this!" says Bruce. "Why not?" asks Tim. "Because I don't want your death on my hands!" says Bruce. Alfred drives a somber Tim home to his dorm. They leave Bruce alone in the shadows. Alfred gives Bruce the file on one TIMOTHY DRAKE. It appears that Drake is an orphan just like Bruce Wayne was! Bruce is moved by this. He reconsiders his actions. Bruce and Alfred go to Gotham Prep and take Tim for "a ride." They end up at the old Drake house. Tim recounts how two burglars conned their way into a younger Tim Drake's bedroom and killed both his parents as he watched. Bruce and Tim are the same right down the middle after all. At a press conference Batman announces his new partner ROBIN to all of Gotham. Freeze watches on his TV set. So Batman has a partner huh? Okay! Freeze enlists the aid of THE FIREBUG. Arsons flare up all over the city. Freeze puts out an out of control chemical fire with his ice cannons and lo and behold is given THE KEY TO THE CITY. At a roast for Gotham's New Hero Bruce reveals to Freeze that he's onto him. THE FIREBUG is dead courtesy of Freeze's Ice Cane and Bruce does not trust this man for one minute! FREEZE: You intend to stop me? BRUCE: Yeah I do! FREEZE(laughing) You and what army? BRUCE: An army of Bats! FREEZE(grinning) The Batman??? BRUCE: Oh you heard of him? He's a good friend of mine. Real close friend! FREEZE(realizing) You and him...one and the same! BRUCE(grinning) Shhh! (Looks around) Don't tell anyone! FREEZE only sputters. He is stunned. BRUCE(patting Freeze on his back) Don't choke on your roast beef there! LOL! Right? BRUCE JUST BLEW HIS COVER. FREEZE LOOKS LIKE HE'S HAVING A CORONARY! Freeze is infuriated. He knows The Bat has a soft spot for The Cat...Selina comes home. Freeze is waiting for her holding her costume. "Selina Kyle!" blurts out FREEZE "Or shall I cat you Catwoman?" Freeze takes Catwoman to his ICE PALACE. In the Batcave Batman and Robin plan out their attack on FREEZE. Gorg The Behemoth overpowers Batman. Freeze knocks out Alfred with a Snowflake disc! The Bat Copter is frozen and the goons take off with Robin in tow! In his icy lair, Freeze reveals to Catwoman and Robin that he has several ICE MISSILES. He will Freeze JAPAN if he does not recieve ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Catwoman seethes he's just another cheap criminal! The missile is launched to show his power. Bruce regains consciousness and sends Freeze a video. Bruce and Alfred shoot down the ice missile with WAYNE's KILLER SATELLITE! Freeze is enraged! Robin mocks him. Freeze pushes a button. The floor opens up to reveal THE ICE CANNON. "If I cannot freeze Japan I will freeze Gotham instead! Why Mister Drake you have stopped laughing!" Bruce removes a tarp to reveal a 1942 SHERMAN TANK. A few modifications. VOILA! THE NEW IMPROVED BAT TANK. "Follow me in The Bat RV, Alfred!" instructs Batman. Catwoman and Robin disable The Ice Cannon. Catwoman is chained to a wall and Robin is placed in THE ICEBOX, a glass chamber kept a brisk 17 degrees. Freeze stands at control panel. "Who's the man?" he asks Catwoman. She replies "BATAMAN!" Wrong answer. Freeze moves the dial. "It is now 10 below zero in that box! Shall we try again?" Robin turns blue on the video monitor! The Bat Tank takes out Guard Towers and blows down the Barrier Wall. Freeze has set traps for The Bat. The floor opens to reveal a high drop and jagged rocks below. Batman escapes death with a mighty leap and swing from his Batcable. Then a Polar Bear Robot attacks Batman and "bear hugs" him. A grenade in the robot's circuit box takes care of that! Freeze is pissed off! Even his CHEERLEADERS are rooting for "THE BATMAN"! Batman takes out a gun(!) and proceeds to shoot down Freeze's Security Cameras! Then Freeze shows Batman the video of Robin dying in The Box. Batman falls to his knees. Defeated. Robin is dying. His fault. Freeze laughs on THE PA SYSTEM. "Look at you fluttering your wings! Flap flap flap! A lot like bamging one's head against a wall really! Tell me Bats what keeps you going? Because I really want to know!" Batman rises defiantly. "Hope, Freeze! Hope keeps The Bat alive!" Batman instructs Alfred to find the CD recording of BATS and play it to THE MAX on the RV's SPEAKER SYSTEM. "That could set off an avalanche Master Bruce!" warns Alfred. "GODAMMIT! JUST DO IT, ALFRED!" orders The Bat! The Ice Palace bucks and shakes violently. The cheerleaders run away screaming. Freeze's men desert him. "TRAITORS!" he screams! The ICE BOX is blown to smithereens. Water gushes out and Batman carries a lifeless Robin to The Bat RV. Catwoman chastises a defeated looking Freeze. Alfred and Bruce race to revive Robin in The RV. Robin comes to. Bruce is grateful. "Let's go...get him..."says Robin weakly. Freeze looks on his video monitor. BATMAN AND ROBIN are coming to kick his blue ass! Catwoman pleads with Freeze. Tells him to unchain her and she will kill The Bat. So he unchains her. She gets her claws. Swipes at him. WHACK! Deflected by Ice Cane. Batman and Robin split up to outflank Freeze. Freeze sicks his timberwolves on Robin and attacks The Catwoman. "HEY YOU!" Freeze looks up and gets a face full of BATFIST. Batman launhes Freeze into his video monitor! KRRRASSH! Robin fights off the wolves and climbs up slide. Batman and Catwoman engage in a kiss. "I hate Kodak moments!" says a wounded Freeze and reaches for his ice pistol. He fires...Catwoman shoves Batman away and cracks her whip...a second too late! Catwoman is frozen in a tomb of ice! Batman roars NOOOOOOO! Robin launches an icicle like a javellin striking Freeze in his chest! BULLSEYE! Freeze lays dying on instrument panel. Pushes BIG RED BUTTON. "We all die!" The clock ticks down...Robin wraps belt around Batman's waist...Freeze staggers to ice pit...Robin shoots grappling gun towards glass ceiling...Freeze "Dying...sucks..." and he falls into pit...Batman and Robin shoot up and away as ICE PALACE is blown to Kingdom Come. Batman tears off mask and Bruce watches the explosions with Robin and Alfred. "I saved Japan." says a somber Bruce "But I could not save Selina." Batman goes into mourning for awhile. Tim is worried about his mentor. Alfred assures him Master Bruce will come around. The Bat Signal dances in the evening sky. A beaten Bruce Wayne stares at it. The Red Phone rings. Bruce stares at phone. Batman appears "Someone stole some Laughing Gas!" Tim offers "Sounds like The Giggler is back in town!" Batman holds up Robin's costume. "Only one way to find out!" Batman and Robin race to The Batmobile and climb in. The Batmobile tears away. THE END. Pretty cool huh? WB turned it down. ASSHOLES! I even had The Catmobile and a funny scene when Robin meets Catwoman for the first time. Robin shoves her away. Catwoman asks him "What's the matter kid? Don't you like pussy?" LOFL! BATMAN FOREVER couldn't live up to 1989's BATMAN. BATMAN AND ROBIN tanked in 1997. LOL!

Tony - with all due respect, I think we get the picture. You're pissed they didn't produce your movie. Being that I'm currently producing a play I wrote, and recording music for it, I don't have the time to read your Batman III summary this morning. I did notice you had the balls to say that DK would be next to nothing without Heath's performance. I think Nolan realizes the essential ingredient of an unforgettable villain, and structured this entire film around his performance. But the film was still Batman - not the Joker. It would be an interesting thing to ponder, if they would've saved Two Face's transformation for the next film. He's such a good villain and Aaron Eckhart is such a fine, talented actor. Have any of you seen In the Company of Men? Classic. One of those indy films that's not necessarily something you want to watch more than once, since EVERY character's despicable - but a film that leaves an impression nonetheless. My response to you is simply that I agree screenwriting courses are nothing gold. I will correct myself and say I don't want anyone to be discouraged from writing - I was in fact in the middle of a party, checking email & quite a few drinks into an unforgettable night when I posted those comments. I agree that dreams are pursuable - but don't let Tony, myself, or anyone tell you how to realize them. You have to realize them for yourself. That being said - I have no idea what the age range is of posters here, but this entire contest is entirely more interesting and applaudable as an exercise in interactive fan-blogging than anything any other movie sites have put up. So congradulations to all contributors & contenders. Fictional stories absorb us specifically because they involve us passionately in their characters & stories. Keep writing - keep learning - keep practicing. I've got some editing to do. If anyone's interested to know what I'm working on, we'll be shipping the making-of documentary to film festivals after it hits the stage in Philadelphia, Aug. 30th & 31st. This is the first piece I've directed after years touring as a musician & freelancing as an artist. The publishers asked me to tell the whole story in one sitting - so we made a play out of it, and we're making a movie about the making of the play. At any rate. I need something to eat. Thanks for the tips, Tony. I'm on a rate of 2.5 scenes a day, due to deadlines & just my own desire to turn this shit out like hotcakes. My only advice to any of you who seek to create your own characters is that you leave room for your actors to own them. As Tony said - a script is just a script - but a fine film/play/show will find no subsitute for a talented cast who can run with the material & bring it all to life. I'm blessed that, right now, that's exactly what I'm working with. (And they're inspiring all sorts of re-writes & edits w/ every rehearsal. I love this profession.) I also take back one statement - I never say Good Luck to artists. That implies luck has anything to do with the process. There's only one thing a knowing artist will tell another artist: DON'T STOP. KEEP. GOING. That's the only advice I can ever give anyone that'll make any difference, in the long run. Keep up the good work folks. Sorry for the drunken post last night. Peace.

Hey DJO good luck with your documentary, man! Ivan keep your head up and keep fighting the good fight. BATMAN is fiction about a superhero. But you are a real hero. Obviously the head of a Marine Platoon in Iraq or Afghanistan. Wherever you are stationed, GOD speed to you and your men! Thank you for keeping us assholes safe! LOL! Peace. Out.

Three Rules To Live By when you think you have completed your screenplay. Rule One. Rewrite. Rule Two. Rewrite. And Rule Three. Rewrite. Am I stoned? No. Am I being funny? No I am not. Rewriting is vital to a screenwriter because it allows you to add or change scenes. And you find your mistakes(mispelling,etc). You can delete scenes that are unecessary to the flow of your STORY. Or you can change up some dialogue. Remember your STORY is the backbone of any script. You got no story flow hey Jack then you got no movie! If you cannot spell learn how to. If your script looks like it was written by a 3-year old then brother, or sister, your script is going into the trash can. I shit you not. HOLLYWOOD EXECS DO NOT MESS AROUND. The dynamics of any good script are THE STORY. Look at THE GODAFATHER(the greatest film ever period) storyline. Michael wants wants nothing to do with his family. The Turk orders a hit on Michael's father Don Vito. Luca Brasi is murdered and Tom Hagen, Michael's half brother, is kidnapped! It's an all-out gangland war and NOW Michael wants in. He kills The Turk and a slimy cop in the now classic restaurant scene and lams it to old Italy. Sonny, Michael's brother, takes his father's place back in the states. But Sonny is too much of a hothead and this leads to his violent demise. That bloody Toll Booth scene. Tom tells Vito that Sonny is dead. A tired Vito decides it's time to make the peace. There is a sitdown where Vito subtly warns his rivals not to touch one hair on Michael's head. Michael comes home, marries Kay and takes over The Family Operations! He sucks up to his brother-in-law Carlo and even his rivals! With their guard down, Michael strikes out at the opposing crime families and has Carlo killed for setting up Sonny! Connie, Michael's sister, confronts him in his study about the mob killings. Then it's Kay's turn to ask. Michael lies to his wife and is christened The New Don! WOW! Now that's a fucking story! Francis Ford Coppolla and novelist Mario Puzo took home Oscar Gold for their powerful screenplay! SECOND DYNAMIC. CHARACTERS. Some memorable Charcaters of note are Clint Eastwood's Strong But Silent Man With No Name. The Smooth Easy-Going Private Eye Jake Gittes. The Ice Cold Nurse Ratchett. The Great White Shark from Jaws. The Never Say Never Boxer Rocky "The Italian Stallion" Balboa. The Tough No-Nonsense Dirty Harry. The Cunning Hannibal Lector. The Muderous Joker Of The Dark Knight. The Tough Guy Everyman Stanley Kowalski. The Crazed NewsMan from Network. The Crafty Killer from In The Line Of Fire. Alex The One Night Stand From Hell in Fatal Attraction. The Rebellious Fun-Loving Randall P. MacMurphy. The Tough Burnt Out Don Vito Corleone. The Moody And Regretful Don Michael Corleone. The Tough Guy Safecracker From Thief. Just to name a few. THIRD, you need a CONFLICT. In JAWS, the conflict was a 20 foot Great White Shark munching on tourists at a resort community. Police Chief Brody(the late great Roy Scheider) knew there was a shark but The Mayor wanted to cover it up! In THE EXORCIST. Father Karras(an outstanding Jason Miller) is having a crisis of faith. His elderly mother has died and she haunts his dreams. A little 14-year old girl just may be possessed by The Devil but Karras' faith in GOD is weakening. This is an example of INNER-CONFLICT. A conflict within a character. RECCOMENDED READING: SCREENPLAY and THE SCREENWRITER'S WORKSHOP both by Syd Field. My main rule? Shut up and write!

^o^ Pwned.

I'm as real as it gets baby and nobody owns me.

Hey Kevin I'm just a tad defensive...(smirks) Hey pal your fly is down! You advertising? Because I ain't buying! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

So does this mean TDK is averaging 1 comment on this post for every million dollars is made at the box office? Have another dollar, Dark Knight! Interesting note: I told one of my actors, after our requisite TDK conversation, that he had permission to throw just a tiny 'dollop' of Heath Ledger Joker into his character, and the guy literally EXPLODED when he did his scene. Note to all directors: Heath Ledger's Joker has now become shorthand for Going Completely Apenuts. Saved me hours of method-acting direction. Hah!

are they seriously still going on with this contest or what? i sent in my submission on the deadline and its been over two weeks since then. wtf? did the people in charge just drop the whole thing because it turned out to be TOO popular? now theres over 400 comments of people giving their own stories and tearing down others and blah blah blah. if you guys want to pretend like you're going to be the next big thing in hollywood then go to starbucks with your laptop like everyone else. i mean get real. Your ideas don't matter because you're not David Goyer or Christopher Nolan. Their ideas are either going to be incredible or 3 is going to be the next "Return of the Jedi". Either way theres no reason you guys should have such huge egos over concepts that are basically the same thing as 10 other ppls but in a different over. but yea... when are they going to post the winners?

Are you for real man? DJO go back and REREAD thugnasty's letter very carefully. That's a blow to every writer on this whole entire thread. Seriously misguided aggression. HMMMM! You Freud now or what? LOL! People like thugnasty need to watch their step...

Oh, and for the record I read some pretty good ideas on this thread! I think thugnasty is just miffed because he lost the contest. It's okay though I'm not going to let some wannabe gangbanger or hack filmmaker stand in my way...

oh...also, read this up there somewhere and it's interesting, i say: Dent isn't dead. He's MCU's dirty little secret. He's been put away at Arkham. So we all know that when he breaks out all of Gotham would turn upside down and all they (batman/gordon) have done to conceal his crimes has failed. secondly: harley quinn, wouldn't it be most entertaining to meet her at arkham. her history was a nurse that falls for the joker, and with him locked up at arkham, she breaks him out. thirdly: for more fun, Gotham Knight is my pick for the films title. regardless of the blu ray animated title. it won't happen, but it'd be a nice book end title. the subtext in the phrase is just beautiful. oh: and all this is going on while the events in the comment above (410) are pressing on. hahaha. poor batman.

OK, I like TCOX's storyline with the Penguin being an arms dealer, but he has to completely take over Gothom City with his weapons and mayhem. The city turns to the reviled Batman to save them because they have no choice. Now that Batman no longer has a love interest enter Catwoman with their love hate relationship. You could write in some steamy almost sadomasochistic scenes. She could also fight the Reaper with his whore killing ass. I also say bring in a bad ass Bane that kicks Catwoman's ass resulting in her having to be saved by Batman. Later in the movie she could return the favor when Batman is fighting the Penguin and all of his minions. Alas, their teamwork is short lived as the two can never get along for any length of time, but since they know each others identities they must remain at least somewhat civil. By the end of the movie Batman redeems himself and is loved. The public has a short attention span will not hold a grudge with Batman saving their collective asses again. Just a quick thought since I'm up at 2:30 in the morning. Rosho

i really think that the joker needs to come back in the 3rd installment. its so unfortunate that heath ledger died. no bullshit he honestly made the movie great. his performance alone was the reason i enjoyed TDK so much. so before i go on i think its important that i stress that whom ever they get to play the jokers role please duplicate heaths performance as closesly and percisely as possible. having some other actor fuck something as good as heath's performance by not living up to it would destroy this movie before it even gets started. ok now this is something i would like to see. i would love to see the riddler come into play. BUT !!!!!!!! have him come into play along the side of Harley Quin. the two will be friends and make it known that both these villians are obsessed with the joker and view him as a role model. have the two break the joker out of prison or where-ever they decide to keep him and then start throwing some twists in. the joker is all about not controlling anything and leaving chaos wherever he goes. The riddler is the opposite. its important that you give the riddler a strong background, he has OCD and this will break the two apart. the joker will refuse to do things as the riddler wants and his OCD will annoy the joker. so the Joker will eventually try killing the riddler but will not suceed. this will make the riddler hate the joker and they will become rivals. the joker will at first underestimate the riddler and the riddler will come out on top during thier first encounter as enemies. of course harley quin will take the jokers side and stab the riddler in the back one way or another. the riddler will then seek help from two face. this will create a very interesting plot and leave room for the actual writers to do some amazing writing. lol. i would like to see harley quinn killed by the riddler and two face killed by the joker. or maybe some sort of twist that is similar. in the end batman will have two very psycotic masterminds that will most certainatly keep him busy.

Perhaps the new Riddler is Mr. Reese, and the reason for the name change has to do with a total re-imagining of the Riddler. He is a pathetic attorney/accountant, employee of Bruce Wayne (though not quite a Wayne Enterprises employee) who's big opportunity for fiscal success was was stymied by a fear of the Batman. After Batman becomes a wanted man: Mr. Reese's' knowledge of Batman's true identity makes him tremendously valuable to the police, crime syndicates (perhaps being quietly taken over by The Penguin who fills the void left by the Joker and Two Faces brutal murder of the crime bosses in TDK), even the now imprisoned Joker: giving the Joker a reason to target Mr. Reese's' sanity which would create an opportunity for a psychotic and manipulative Riddler to appear (We saw the Jokers potential for this already). Many of people on this forum say the Riddler sucks because he's too much like the Joker. Thats what makes him work! The People of Gotham see the police turning to a manipulative Riddle talking twit who reminds them WAY TOO MUCH of the evil Joker and arming themselves with newer weaponry purchased from an English arm's dealer named Mr. Cobblepot who is clearly not entirely on the level. The People of Gotham see their police becoming more corrupt than ever before and at the end learn through the Riddler (who was at some point close to the Joker) of Harvey Dent's real fall from grace at the end of TDK. The People rally behind a beaten and hurting Batman and recognize him as the real hero of Gotham. I have no doubt that a scenario like this would allow the Joker to be used in the sequel without having to be seen or heard, thus allowing the character to remain in the story without having to recast the part which now belongs to Heath Ledger

Djo, there's nothing you can do. The levies have broken and FEMA ain't comin'. Get out while you still can if you are considering posting again. Tony, Tony, Tony. You really are an asshole... I'm not trying to insult you, I'm just pointing out what you referred to yourself as previously. You too should give up while you're ahead. It almost seems as though you are intentionally provoking people on here, but I shouldn't jump to conclusions like that...

Douchebag Asshole Nutbag Scumface. Arsefuck titsack hosehole scarfwad. If you can't beat 'em. Join 'em. The last thing I want you to do is get off - whether it be on this thread, your own ego, or whatever. The remarkable thing is that you seem to have backdoor buddies at firstshowing that delete my comments, and not yours. All I know is I've got too much work to do than to waste more time on the likes of you. Choke on a muffler, Bloat-Nuts.

wow, and you guys said i was immature... Oh and by the way tony, im not a wanna-be gangbanger. IM THUG LIFE FO REALS SUUUUCKKAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! G-G-G-G-G-UNIT!!!!!!!!!

SUCKAS

G-Unit huh? So I guess that means you are stationed in IRAQ???? LOL!

and btw you dont have to capitalize lol everytine you write it.

Thugnasty 25 or shoopdawoop, whatever you call yourself. When you first came on this thread, I thought you were some punk ass wannabe banger shooting off his mouth. I had no idea you were OVER THERE. I took offense at your Starbucks remark. I guess you hit a little too close to home with that one. I trashed you in my reply post which was pulled by the way. DJO defended you and came down on me. Now me and him are at war. The insanity of it all is this. You are over there. Away from your family and friends. In the middle of a scorching hot desert. Bullets flying. Bombs going off all around you. You don't know who you can trust when it comes to the villagers. They don't want us over there! It's like VietNam all over again! Even the leader of Iraq wants to know when the U.S. is going to pull out of there. Stateside, we're in a darkened movie theatre watching THE DARK KNIGHT and then going on this thread and fighting each other. You see, I have nothing but respect for our soldiers because you men and women are somwhere we don't want to be doing something we don't want to do! That is why I'm writing you this post! GODSPEED to you and your company. The G-Unit! Git er done guys! And then come back home...T.

BTW, I all cap LOL because that's what they do in the chat rooms!

THE DARK KNIGHT is a great movie but I guess we sometimes forget who the real heroes are...

Touche

G- Unit is Fitty Cent's record label and sometimes crew. Thanks for clearing that up, Ivan. I was gonna say ... Nonetheless, respect to all units. Except Tony's. lol.

GO FUCK YOURSELF DJO YOU HERMAPHRODITE!

I really hope that they don't put Penguin and Catwoman in the 3rd installment. As Mr. Nolan said he would not put them in a film, hopefully we wouldn't see a remake of Batman Returns. I would love to see a new spin on the Riddler. At the same time, if they decide to bring Two Face back for the 3rd film and introduce the Riddler ....hello Batman Forever. Of course, the new films are so much better than the first ones, so they could make it work. I think a Two-Face return could work pretty well. Gordon is all tied up in trying to preserve Harvey Dent's clean image for the citizens of Gotham. With each act that Two Face makes in his twisted view of justice, more and more crimes and activities would be pinned on Batman to try and keep the public numb to the truth about Dent. Two Face could be hunting for someone to accept his new views, wanting to have support as he did when he was District Attorney, and could find that in some of the escaped convicts of Arkham. He would probably find this kind of support from a criminal who is also disfigured in some way..like a CLayface character, who would have some kind of common ground. Just a thought. I just hope that if they do the Riddler, the casting is as good as it has been in the past films.

We will probably see THE RETURN OF RAS AL GHUL in the next installment of The Nolan saga. Liam Neeson told Bruce he was immortal in BATMAN BEGINS. Ras(Neeson) closes his eyes as death is imminent to him. We never really saw him die! Did we? Alfred(Caine) tells Bruce that they should concentrate on The SouthEast Wing(The Batcave) so maybe we will see the best Batcave yet! The Joker is still alive at the climax of DARK KNIGHT. So he will be back. He is Batman's Lex Luthor. Think about it! Two-Face is dead. He's done with, so is The Scarecrow! The Rover was destroyed. Bruce crashed the Batpod. So I hope we finally get a Batmobile like something right out of a BOND movie. That would be sweet! Just my thoughts on the matter...

To all you a gangster ass wannabe thug soundin mother fuckers, grow the fuck up and excercise some intelligence. I don't care who you talk to, you sound retarded to the rest of the world.

Batman is on the run, Gotham's hopes have infact increased with the Joker locked in Arkham and with the likes of Commissioner Gordon keeping the Falcone crime family, now run by Sal Maroni at bay. The martar Harvey Dent has inspired Gotham to rid themesleves of corruption but there still exists a thorn in their sides, the Batman. Gordon and Ramirez (her act in Rachel Dawes death forgotten as long as she does not identify Two-Face as Harvey Dent.) are the only two who know that Batman is wrongfully accused and continue to work secretly with him, slowly but surely establishing law and peace in Gotham. However, codes have been found across the city, one to the rebuilt Wayne manor, one to the home of the mayor and one to Gotham police department, all of them riddles to dicover the location of a bomb. The result leaves Gotham City Bank in tatters with one riddle left behind, which when deciphered reads, 'I want him'. The Riddler unlike Joker has a purpose, he wants not only to know the Batman's identidy but to tear down Bruce wayne and Wayne enterprises for a reason that remains unclear. Riddles across Gotham lead to his next target but he is not Batman's only problem. With his alter ego now having to fully stay within the shadows of Gotham, Bruce wayne has turned his intentions to his enterprise, even more so with the threat of The Riddler, to convince his ceo Lucius Fox to stay and to chip away his playboy image replacing it with a beacon of hope and inspiration which once illuminated Hravey Dent, because as Batman looses his appeal to the city, maybe he can inspire people without wearing a mask and find out just who is Bruce Wayne. But as fate would have it, the downfall of his creation, begins with the arrival of a beautiful youg woman, a ruthless businesswomen who is the latest challenge to Wayne enterprise and who is strangly familiar to Bruce. Known as Talia Ducard to Bruce Wayne and the world but to the Batman inside him she is known as Talia Al-Gul, come not for revenge but to fulfull her father's wish and make Wayne the leader of the league of shadows. Bruce Wayne falls in love, Batman knows what must be done as Talia and her army promise to finish her father's work on Gothem should he not comply. But alas, talia's own feelings become intertwined with that of Batmans and the riddlers due to his discovery of Batman's identidy(thanks to one Coleman reese) who reveals himself to Bruce as Tom Rickman, a young peasent living in Gotham before Thomas Wayne took him in as his own, only to be replaced and discarded after the birth of Wayne's song, Bruce. At Wayne Manor, a final fight between Talia and Bruce(not as Batman) leaves him the winner, his love sent under Gordon's watch. Talia is then rescued not by her army, or riddler or Btaman, but a strange man with scars on his face, the notorious Joker. His escape made possible by the explosion and outbreak at Arkham, orchestrated by riddler,to call upon the prince of clown to seek vengeance on Wayne,in return for his help, riddler gives Joker the most precious gift of all, Batmans true alias. Joker hangs Talia over the edge of the building site wher Batman spared his life and challenges him, wanting to see Waynes face before causing the same pain on Batman once inflicted on him. The fight between the trio of Joker,riddler and Batman ends with Batman loosing his mask aand riddler aiming his gun at him, ready to kill only for the supporting walls surrounding him to explode leaving the ceiling crashing on top of him, smashing his skull through the floor. 'You spare my life,I spare yours' laughs the Joker, the detonator in his hands, Talia hanging by the tip of his fingers. 'Havent we been here before?' 'Oh Well' Talia falls, before Batman can save her, the Joker pulls a second detonator and the floor beneath the dark knight fals, sending him plummeting doen below,unable to save his love. Unmasked, Bruce looks to where the clown was standing but sees nothing and gliding to the bottom of the site there lies Talia's lifeless body. Behind him sirens, but only Gordon and ramirez arrive first to the scene and they see Bruce Wayne waring body armour and a cape holding the body of Talia Ducard in his arms. With the Joker and other Arkham inmates loose, Gotham again looks doomed, now, with crisis growing, no is when the people of Gotham looking at the madness of the Joker can see who their true hero is, the batman. Slowly,but surely his alter ego is growing strong again, but all that remains of his lost love are memories, and a card left in his jacket pocket, the one he wore when they first met, an address lay on it to a warehouse on the outskirts of Gotham and below were black lettering, his answer to the Joker, 'They are waiting for your instructions'. Talia AlGul : Melissa George/Olga Kurylenko Riddler : Robin Williams Joker : Adrian Brody

For a sequel to 448; to add to the Joker, Lieutenant Ramirez of the Gotham City Police Department visits her mothers house,one late winters night, the place were she grew up, when everything seemed simpler. Standing over her old bedroom, across still lies her mother's display of wooden African masks, even at 32 she is terrified at the sight of them, her greatest fear from childhood being brought back. 'For decoration' her mother said, as much as she loved the old lady the sight of her patronising her daughter with, 'honestly, what fear can be brought from an old wooden mask.' still infuriates Ramirez, but she ignores confrontation and preceeds downstairs, when it happened. The Joker stands outside the suburban house, his thugs surrounding the quiet home, pouring gasoline over the sides as they do so, in one hand he holds a loudspeaker, in the other a match. 'Detec.. sorry.. Lieutenant Ramirez and mother may I please have your attention for just one moment.' Ramirez stares out the window, a look of horror at the startling face of the prince of crime and with a quick wave the joker lights the match and fires it onto the gasoline. A chain of devilish flames engulf the house, tearing through the inside, though not as quickly as the joker would like. Running to free her mother from the living room, the joker watches, but with no smile. 'You know being locked up all that time has changed my own patience, I just want to see carnage all the time, having been without it, so...' He takes out a grenade and tosses it through the living room window, now he laughs, hysterically, before disappearing into the Gotham night. The blasts form the grenade sends Ramirez flying out the patio kitchen door, knocking her unconscious, leaving her mother to burn in the Jokers flames. The result of the night leaves Ramirez's mother dead, her own face scarred and the house burnt to the ground. Looking over the debree, the lieutenant sees a familiar shape lying on the ground, mask, burnt black, its meaning to her changed. With Joker causing destruction and Gordon and even Batman getting nowhere, ramirez takes the mask, wearing it to show what fear really can be brought from it. Her methods questioned, more brutal than Batman or Two-face, she becomes the Black Mask, taking down criminals and in time the government, leaving a mark on her victims by cutting off their faces, keeping her identidy as Lieutenant Ramirez intact,but for how long. As for Bruce Wayne's discovery of who or what lies at the warehouse, will that debate is open to anyone, for me I think a group of vigilantes, as conflicted as Bruce Wayne and not the drones we saw in begins and perhaps people who are already in Wayne and Batman's life.

Here's my idea, wish I could have made the contest in time Batman: Knightfall(?) Inspired by the antics of the Joker, and taking advantage of Batman’s preoccupation with avoiding the police, a new wave of costumed criminals has emerged to drown Gotham in acts of violence and terror. For months, aid has been offered to the belabored GCPD in the form of anonymous letters filled with brilliant criminal behavioral profiles…an unparalleled understanding of the masked criminal psyche. However, the erratic penmanship and bizarre question mark signatures of the letters have them quickly dismissed as the scribblings of a crank. All that changes, though, when one of the profiles saves the police in case that stumps them, leading them to the most unlikely perpetrator in a rough arms deal…a tiny, deformed man with an inferiority complex and an obsession with gaining upper-class status. The mocking headlines brand him “The Penguin.” The man responsible for the letters, who seems to know these masked freaks intimately, is brought in to help catch the gravest threat of the bunch…Batman. With Edward Nashton [Nigma would be referenced somewhere along the way, but it’s too on the nose] suddenly talking over half of Gordon’s investigation, the two find themselves at odds instantly. Edward is arrogant, neurotic, condescending, and worst of all…effective, and Jim fears that it is only a matter of time before Edward’s genius tracks down The Bat. That’s when the murders begin. Costumed crooks and mobsters begin popping up dead all over Gotham as Batman seems to have resumed his killing spree. Only Edward knows the truth behind the deaths, because he is the one secretly setting up these death puzzles and traps to test Batman’s cunning (finally showcasing Bruce’s intellect in these movies)—traps that both serve to frame Bats and draw him out into the open where he might be caught. When Jim sees Batman hovering over a dead body on the scene, right after failing to save the victim from one of Edward’s traps, even Jim begins to grow suspicious. Perhaps the city’s pervasive hatred for him and this endless flood of criminals has finally pushed Batman over the edge. Bruce’s only ally at this point is a mysterious woman in a sexy cat costume, who also seems to be investigating some of these murders, the mobsters in particular. Reports charge this Catwoman with breaking into mob dens and making out with cash, and the tabloids even claim that she’s a prostitute. But though Bruce fails to get a straight answer from her about what she’s really after, he still feels inexplicably drawn to her. An attraction grows to this kindred spirit…a woman who will take equally extreme measures to see that justice carried through…a woman not unlike Rachel. When Jim spots the two of them in an embrace, his fears of Batman’s guilt only deepen. However, after glimpsing Edward’s taunting sneer in the aftermath of one of his successful traps (a close call where Batman is almost captured), Bruce knows that Edward is the man responsible. He confronts Jim to try and convince him of his innocence, telling Gordon that he will take off his mask and turn himself in right now if Jim asks…but the murders would still continue. He tells Jim that he is the only friend he has left and the only man in the entire city who might still trust him. He NEEDS Jim to believe that he hasn’t become the monster everyone says he is. They reconcile, and now their task becomes proving that Nashton’s behind the riddle killings. Yet, Edward is always two steps ahead, and he senses that Gordon is on to him. He makes a big play, setting a trap that blows Arkham open…revealing that Harvey Dent is in fact alive and that Gordon was responsible for the cover-up. Locked in the dark for so long, Harvey’s psychosis has festered, fueled incessantly by thoughts of vengeance against the one that put him there, Batman. He steps into the light for the first time in ages after the blast and spots his good side reflected in the shattered glass. Standing before the newly detonated exit, he flips his coin. Bad Harv wins and Two-Face escapes with an army of the equally deranged--all bent on making Batman’s life a living hell. As the worst of the freaks are set loose on Gotham, Batman’s first question in the aftermath to Gordon is if cell 28 is still intact, and Gordon seems just as relieved to tell him it is. Gordon is disgraced and kicked off the force, leaving Edward in charge of the entire investigation with a wave of public adoration at his back. He revels in the fame, presenting himself before the public in a new lavish costume and taking the title of “The Riddler,” a handle given to him for his irritating habit of answering a question with another question and his deep, probing inquiries into what makes these loons tick when making his profiles. He promises to not only bring in Batman now but Two-Face and his roaming Arkham inmates to the justice they deserve. Two-Face leads the criminals, who re-arm themselves with Penguin’s arsenal, which has been taken from police custody by Edward. It turns out that Penguin, or Oswald Cobblepot as he prefers (a fake name assumed in his desire to be apart of the elite that rejected him), collaborated to stage Cobblepot’s initial arrest to sky-rocket Edward’s fame and place him on the Bat hunt. Having already profited from the first sale prior to his arrest, now Penguin sells these guns and signature weapons taken out of the police vaults back to the desperate criminals at a hefty price. As they prepare to ransack the town, Penguin waddles away from the rest of the low-class rabble smiling secretly to himself. In the film’s climax, Batman has to deal with taking Two-Face and his gang of villains down while The Riddler closes in on his identity. Knowing where he’ll be, Edward dispatches the cops to the scene to add to Bruce’s dilemma. Downtown Gotham becomes a war-zone, wrapped in a battle-royale between cops, Batman, the inmates, and all the civilians trapped in between. Batman is overwhelmed and nearly defeated until Catwoman arrives to kill Harvey (for good this time)…perhaps not to save Batman, but as vengeance for him murdering Maroni…her father. Her true colors are shown. She wasn’t investigating the mob murders--she was behind them (though perhaps in self-defense), eliminating all of the contenders for her father’s throne after his death and reclaiming what was rightfully hers as his illegitimate child. She asks if Bruce can forgive her and perhaps understand her need to avenge. It was about her family, and nothing is more important to her, nothing more defines her…even if she barely had a chance to know them. Batman’s love is tainted, and once again, he is alone in the fight. In the end, she sits at the throne of the restored Maroni empire, deciding whether or not to take up the mantle now that she as achieved her vengeance. Jim, meanwhile, struggles to get those still loyal to him to stay their hunt on Batman and bring down some of the rogue villains, navigating through the chaos. It’s then that Batman realizes the real scheme was for Penguin to direct all the crooks in one location to for the arms drop off, so that Riddler could kill them all at once in his final trap. And though Bruce just barely manages to foil that plan and save the scum, he’s still too late. Edward has managed to uncover Bruce’s identity. Gordon’s squad bursts in to bring Edward in. He was a huge admirer of Batman, and as he is being dragged away, he asks the legitimate question of why Batman allows these people to live and continually escape. Why he would rather wage an endless battle with them as innocent people keep getting hurt in the wake. Nashton has no confidence in the police to do the job, having witnessed their incompetence firsthand. He tells Batman that it is up to the two of them as the only people of intellect to deal with the situation by the only means available to them…even if, as Batman pioneered, those means are rather unorthodox. “That’s just what this town requires in all that it’s become…you’ve played no small part in that.” Edward claims to know why Bats won’t put them down. Edward says that Bruce craves the constant war, so that he can have a purpose. Analyzing him as he did the other mad men, he says that he does it to seek regain as sense of power after feeling so powerless, to seek retribution…for the night his parents died. He delivers that shocker as he’s dragged into the police van for Arkham. He yells for Batman to pay him 20 million dollars or he’ll reveal his identity to the whole world. Batman meets with Edward in Arkham, where we take that great scene from Hush. Riddler starts making his demands to be let free. If not, he can have a press conference ready within the hour. Bruce surprises him, saying that Edward’s right--he’s won. But Bruce counters, “After all you’ve gone through to figure it out, now the only person who truly knows who I am (unlike that Coleman Reese farce), and you’re going to give that up…share the sacred knowledge, that you and you alone in the world were able to attain, with the rest of the dimwitted sheep out there who struggle to finish the daily jumble? I don’t think you can do it. You beat The Batman, and you wouldn’t trade that for all the money in the world.” Riddler breathes hard, conceding his point that even in losing, Batman remains the victor. However, Riddler retaliates with a parting shot: “You’ve just placed me closer to my prey. I’ll kill every last one of them.” Batman parries: “Really, pull that off and I’ll pay you 40 million. Place him in cell 28.” The guard says, “It’s already occu--,” but he’s cut short by Bruce’s menacing look. Edward is escorted to his cell and suddenly his confident smirk drops, turning to a disturbed grimace. He’s shoved inside to the sound of The Joker’s wild cackle as the door slams shut. Gordon meets with Batman and notes that they dodged a bullet there with Riddler. If he had unveiled his identity, it would have been the end of Batman. Batman surveys the damage that his unleashed villains inflicted on the city, and he thinks of Riddler’s comment about why he really dons the cowl. Is it for Gotham or for himself? Bruce tells Jim the end of Batman wasn’t the Riddler’s goal, but he succeeded. He takes off his mask and declares that his time as Batman is through.

Well, Selina is hinted to be one of Falcone's daughters in Dark Victory and The Long Halloween (which TDK borrowed from), changing it to Maroni was a slight shift. And of course, that could never be the real end of Batman! It was just set up for the next film, where I figure Selina Kyle would be explored more as an emerging socialite, having reclaimed her status, who now catches Bruce's attention out of costume.

Tony, do you stick around this site and point out the wrongs in people's stories? Lets hear you come up with something original with different takes on characters like catwoman. Nice story carl, awlays good to know some people have ideas of their own.

Jean Paul Valley is an inventor who was secretly hired by Bruce Wayne to build him a "special suit". This suit is state of the art and looks like a futuristic Samurai outfit. Wayne paid Valley 25 million dollars for the design so Valley goes and builds it. Wayne is now on the run from the police having taken the blame for Two-Face's crime spree. Valley contacts Alfred and informs him "the suit is raedy!" Alfred is puzzled to say the least. He knew nothing of this so-called suit. Valley travels to Gotham to present his armor to Alfred and Lucius. The three men realize that Gotham is vulnerable to every sort of vermin (The Rogues Gallery) with Batman gone. Thus, Azrael is born. Valley puts his suit to use as Azrael. A new hero- and nemesis to Bane- has emerged in Gotham City! I see Steven Strait playing him. Strait was the lead in 10,000 BC. He looks right for the role of Azrael!

This one is tricky. Barbara Gordon is Jim Gordon's middle-aged wife in THE DARK KNIGHT. And his daughter is like 12 years old. Barbara is too old to play Batgirl. The daughter is too young! So I came up with Betty Gordon. Betty Kane was the original Batgirl after all right? So I figured Betty Gordon could be Jim's niece. Hey that's better than her being related to Alfred right? So anyway, Betty shows up at Gotham Police Plaza looking for The Commissioner. Nobody knows who she is so they all treat her like shit right? She whistles and announces that Jim Gordon is her uncle. Now things change. She works in the Gotham Crime Lab much to the dismay of her uncle. "Of all the big cities, you had to pick the worst one!" Jim tells her. When Commissioner Gordon is shot by The Penguin's goons Betty swears revenge. With her martial arts expertise, she prowls the streets as The Batgirl as the papers call her even though she is a woman in her own right. One night she crosses paths with a cat burglar known only as The Catwoman because of her stealth and cat-like reflexes. I see Rose MacGowan as Batgirl. Go look at the Rated R picture of Batgirl on AOL images. As Mike Myers would say, SCHWING! A lot of people are against Batgirl. I think it could be done. After all, let's face it. Is she not the soulmate of one Bruce Wayne! They both got that Bat hang-up!

YOU SEE COMEDIAN??? YOU JUST GOT MY CREATIVE JUICES FLOWING! THATS ALL YOU DID! YOU AWAKENED MY MUSE...HA!

Bruce Wayne is lying low in the underworld of Gotham. Literally! We are talking underground city here folks! Wounded in a battle with The GTS (Gotham Tactical Suppoort) he awakens in a dwelling surrounded by homeless people. "Where am I?" asks a fuzzy headed Bruce Wayne. "You are in the pit! And you are with us now!" a dreg informs him. A Shaman (Indian Medicine Man) appears. Is Bruce imagining him? Is the Shaman real? An Indian below Gotham City? What the hell right? The Shaman gives Bruce an elixir. Bruce has visions of a man "changing" into an eagle, a wolf, and then a bear! The Deacon Blackfire is a shape shifter! He gets inside the head of Bruce Wayne. He sees Bruce "change" into a bat! The Deacon brainwashes Bruce. "Gotham turned on you. You protected its people and yet you were cast out like a demon! You have to go back and retake your Kingdom!" The Deacon wants The Bat to lead "his people" in a revolt against Gotham City for its past crimes against The Red Man and The Bat Man! I see Adam Beach of LAW AND ORDER SVU in this role!

The esteemed Dr. Victor Fries was working frantically to cure his dying wife Nora when an "industrial accident" transformed him into MR. FREEZE. Now Freeze needs his "ice suit" to stay alive! He commits crime, mainly jewel heists( to The Penguin's dismay). He dissolves the jewels to make ice to power his suit. He needs to stay alive to find a cure for Nora who lives in a water tank! One night a blackout (courtsey of Anarky) plunges Gotham into darkness. The power goes out in Nora's water tank. She dies and Freeze blames all of Gotham for the death of his beloved Nora. Now Freeze must punish all of the citizens of Gotham City for taking "the only thing in this big, cold world" that mattered to him. I see Patrick Stewart playing Freeze because I swear they are twins!

The Joker is a by-product of genetics gone wrong. Like Michael Keaton said in BATMAN(1989) "this guy had bad wiring!" Having an asshole of a father didn't help any. Now a grown man in his thirties or forties (noone knows his age) The Joker is a homicidal maniac who takes delight in maiming and killing. He relishes in pain and torture. He tells Harvey Dent in THE DARK KNIGHT "I am an agent of chaos!" And he means it! He is a clownish imp who likes to watch things burn like the mob's money. He would burn down Gotham City if he had his way! When he escapes Arkham (courtesy of nurse Harley) he wastes no time. He pays a visit to Gotham's crime bosses (headed by The Penguin) and tells them that Batman has no fear. The mob bosses do not take The Joker seriously (they never do) and so he leaves with his own aganda. Since Batman cannot come out and play, The Joker grows bored. So he starts World War Three between The Penguin and The Riddler with his mind games and sits back and watches the mayhem. When The Riddler discovers The Bat's true identity, The Joker visits Wayne Manor in his ice cream truck brandishing a rocket launcher. "WELCOME HOME BATS! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I see Adrien Brody as a Heath Leadger type Joker or Alan Cumming if they decide to go with the neo-classic look of the comic book Joker!

Oswald Cobblepot was a phlianthropist who took a fateful trip to The South Pole. He did not come back the same man. He came back deformed and twisted. Now he lives to rule over The Gotham City crime syndicate. Jewel heists, bank robberies, kidnappings, arms deals, drugs. You name it, he dips his beak in it! With a beak like mouth and a waddle in his walk his detractors call him The Penguin. A name he truly detests! He arms himself with a tommy gun disguised as an umbrella. He loves classical music. He is a bird lover. He devours whole fish in one sitting! His girlfriend is the lovely but deadly Poison Ivy, an expert in toxins. His business partner is The Riddler. Now he hates the Riddler but he just loves his mind! Oswald Cobblepot is an intellectual giant after all! I would model him like the real-life cigar chomping AL CAPONE. Oh yeah he can't stand that clown with the green hair either! And there is a thorn in his side and it ain't the Bat! I see Oliver Platt playing The Penguin. It really is scary how much Platt resembles this counterpart!

The Nolans based BATMAN BEGINS on Batman Year One. They, along with David S. Goyer, based THE DARK KNIGHT on The Long Halloween. It would be nice if they based the next movie on Hush. Then we could see Batman take on The Rogues Gallery, The Riddler in all his glory, and the start of a beautiful relationship between Batman and Catwoman!

You don't know the half of it bro! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Comedian I'm not insane! Just boderline (laughs nervously)! That makes me all the more dangerous...TEE HEE!

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ANgelina jolie is catwoman

But I was thinking. Back in 92 the rumors were flying that Robert DeNiro was going to play The Penguin and that Madonna was signed to play Catwoman! Well we all know how that turned out right? So it all goes to show you can't believe everything you hear! We just gotta wait and see!

A state of the art Batcave and a super sleek Batmobile would be nice! Maybe even the Batplane or Batsub! Johnny Depp commands like what? 20 million per pic because he raked in the cash with those "pirate movies"! The Nolans will surprise us all just like they did with the late Heath Ledger.

Well we had a Batplane in Batman(1989). I loved his Batcraft in Batman Returns(1992). In Batman Forever(1995)we got a glimpse of the BatBoat. And in Batman And Robin(1997)Batman,Batgirl and Robin all had their own vehicles! But it was at the height of GAYdom by then! LOL! Thought I was watching the freaking Power Rangers and I thought I was gonna ralph when Batman Clooney says "It looks like it's gonna be a great day!" Jesus H! Who wrote that effing dialogue???

Yeah if he comes back! He hasn't signed on yet...

I would like to see Penguin and his goons take over Gotham City ala THE UNTOUCHABLES. Now THAT would be asewsome. The Penguin as a gangster in the style of a Robert DeNiro or a James Gandolfini. PENGUIN: You want Gotham, huh Bats? You want her back huh? COME GET IT!

Well shit SLASH!!! Anarky is too much like Vendetta. Azrael is unknown to most. Bane's been done. Seems like nobody wants to see Batgirl. Black Mask hasn't been introduced. Catwoman tanked. Clayface is too weird for The Nolans. Nobody knows Deacon Blackfire. Egghead was campy. Freeze was ruined. Harley Quinn is a possibility but she goes hand in hand with The Joker. Hush is like the fricking mummy! Killer Croc is too far featched. Ditto Man-Bat. Mad Hatter is a stretch. Nightwing is a no-go. Penguin too weird,been done. Poison Ivy zero interest. Riddler seems to be everyone's choice but its up to the writers. Ras Al Ghul is supposedly dead. Spawn was done already(played by Gamble LOL) The Clock King seems campy. The Ventriloquist maybe a bit too creepy. So fuck dude who does that leave???

very true, everything seems like it can't possibly work, but because a villain is relatively unknown doesn't mean they can't be used. Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul weren't very well known to casual fans or the general population before Batman Begins. Whatever the choice Nolan can rework the character to fit into a modern setting.

Sorry, I posted that twice.

Hmmm. I just finished reading the classic THE JOKER'S FIVE WAY REVENGE. This story cemented The Joker as a full-fledged psychotic,pretty much what we saw in THE DARK KNIGHT. LOL! I wonder if they had this in mind for Ledger had he lived. Now we'll never know...

i think they should do the creeper, as james franco portraying him. The only problem is not having Heath Ledger back to play the joker. I think that would be a cool story line, but prollie woulndt even get considered.

I hate it when people say they should bring in Depp because "the girls love him". Since when was Batman ever required to pander to women? Adding in a character because "girls like him" just cheapens the quality of the movie. For Depp a playin The Joker, only time will tell, I remember when The Dark Knight was still in it's infancy and everyone kept claiming that "only" this or that person could pull off the job as The Joker yet Heath was cast which through a curveball at everyone. Anyway, I'll have to wait and see what the producers and Nolan say about the third installment.

There's no doubting that hollywood favours attractive people (who doesn't?) but that's the opposite of what the Joker was. Heath Ledger as the Joker proved that he was more than a pretty face, it was amazing how you could barely tell it was him under the make-up.

True but when he's Bruce Wayne,the women swoon over Bale's boyish good looks do they not? I reccomended Johnny Depp to play The Joker because a lot of people feel noone can do Heath some justice. I believe Depp can. Not just based on his charisma but on his resume and prowress as well!

Exactly. They wanted Sean Penn but I don't know if he's right for the role. Keep in mind he's 48 now. Nicholson was 52 when he did The Joker. Alan Cumming looks like the comic book Joker and Adrian Brody resembles Heath's Joker,especially with his long hair. Cumming played Nightcrawler. Brody won The Oscar for The Pianist. Brody does well with offbeat roles(Summer Of Sam,etc).

Go check out Alan Cumming. He's got that rictus smile that Heath Ledger had. Trademark of The Joker!

Neat. Tidy. Final. A satisfying wrap up to The Batman Saga and leaves it open for a possible TV Show. Bam! There you go! Not too many villains,not too many subplots. Just tell the story and get out of the way. Besides,I think Batman and The Joker have got to settle their feud once and for all.

Wow Slash, you really dissected the Batman films of Nolan! We got to meet and compare notes!

I never took a film course. I just read the books by Syd Field. I grew up in a TV Set. LOL. When my friend went off to the army I started going to the movies by myself. I would sit there from the sneak previews to the final credit! Hell,I even used to save the ticket stubs! A true moviegoer! LOL!

We shall see.

Maybe you should be Harley Quinn Nikki. A guy in drag has more effect! Heath Ledger was priceless.

i dont think rachel every really died if u watch u see a strong gust obviously created by a blast...so what if she does go crazy...and become catwoman...you wouldn't have to explain y she wasn't in the rest of the movie because she went crazy from fear of death and left to slowly become catwoman...and keep two face...just adds to the entracasies of cinema

You guys can stop your speculating... The actors have already been decided and revealed in the Dark Knight. Look at the clues. Joshua Harto (Coleman Reese) is the Riddler. The scene with him planning to blackmail Bruce Wayne is not pointless at all.. This is where he develops his hatred for both Batman and Bruce Wayne. Not only this, but his name is Mr. Reese... "Mysteries". An alias of the Riddler. Next.. The Penguin.. William Fichtner. Disregard his bird-like appearance and there's still an abundance of clues... To start.. he's too good of an actor to be signed solely for 2 minutes as a bank owner. Secondly, while breaking into the vault, one of the guys mentions that it's a "mob bank". Penguin, in his original role, and in "Batman: The Animated Series" is a mob leader. Thirdly, he gets shot in the leg which explains the penguin's limp. And finally, the joker foreshadows the change when he says, "what doesn't kill you, only makes you weirder", eluding to a change in the bank manager. And to round out the threesome... Catwoman.. This one is not nearly as clear.. but it seems to fit. Natasha, the russian ballerina that Bruce Wayne is dating. Im not entirely sure who the actress is... But it fits the romance between batman and catwoman's aliases, and also the Russian portrayal of Catwoman in the Adam West television series. The ballerina idea also helps the idea of why she would be light on her feet and acrobatic.

Well after reading almost all 526 comments I don't have an idea for the entire story but here goes. First off, Gotham is worse than before Batman Begins. The mob has gotten stronger than ever. However their is an emergance of a new mob in town trying to take over. However after the mob catches some of the criminal they notice that they have some Joker cards on them. Meanwhile Batman for fear of being caught and for the best of Gotham hasn't been seen in nearly 2 years. The new D.A. Is on a manhunt for Batman. Next once the joker cards have been found Gordon figures out that the Joker knows who this new mob boss is and what his plans are. So Gordon heads to Arkum to visit the Joker on death row. In this meating the Joker sits in his dimly lit cell showing just part of his face since most of his makeup has now been removed. Wearing a straight jacket bound to his seat. In this scene the Joker mentions that their will be far worse criminals than him and if Gordon wants to stop them he will have to find Batman. Next, now that Fox is gone Edward Nigma a very smart individual such as Fox has taken the new postion in Applied Sciences at Wayne Enterprises. However Edward not knowing anything about the Batman figures out Waynes identity. With this information he goes back to the new mob and makes an offer. Meanwhile Gordan is following every lead he can find Batman back. Eventually the word gets back to Alferd some how who contacts Fox who goes on a hunt for Bruce Wayne. I'm not sure where he would be at exactly but somewhere over seas since the last two movies have used that approach of not always staying in Gotham. Finally, Fox talkes Batman into returning or Gotham could be destroyed. When Batman returns he stops he puts a pretty good dent their opportation. At this point this is were batman realizes that the new crime boss in Gotham is being run by Two Face. At this point Two Face decides to hire the riddler to bring down batman. The Riddler starts leaving strange messages to Batman. The new D.A. gets wind of everything since batman is back and decide to set a trap up to catch him. Gordon implies that he doesn't want anything to do with this and wants the GPD to let Gordon talk to him 1 on 1. In the process of a 1 on 1 meating with Gordon and Batman the GPD chases Batman down in the attempt to catch him. However a sniper is able to get a shot off. At this point Batman is thought to be dead. At this point Two Face has his revenge set on Gordon and the Riddler is set on destroying Wayne enterprises. However Fox was able to find Batman and save his life. Now that Batman has survived for now he decides to pay a vist to the Joker before he is sentenced to the chair. Batman stops The Joker from going to the chair and gets the info he needs to find Two Face. Meanwhile all of the riddles Batman has been receiving finally are starting to make sense. The Riddler is Edward Nigma and he is going to destroy Wayne enterprises and all of Gotham. In the end Two Face is brought down and the Ridder is somehow as well. I know this isn't a complete story or anything but is was a lot of fun trying. Let me know what you think.

After the death of harvey dent / two-face, Gordan knows he has to make it appear as if he is giving full chase for batman. He calls up a second-rate detective named edward nigma, as well as a long time freind of his, Floyd Lawton (deadshot), who has been showing signs of depression since being removed from the force. Edward begins search on batman, and during this time, goes crazy after becoming infected with fear gas ala scarecrow. Floyd goes to a mob boss named Roman Siones, who gived him a special costume so people will shoot at him. When he attempts to double cross him, deadshot shoots back, showing his incredible acuracy. Edward nigma becomes riddler and begins hunting for batman, while as the riddler, goes on as seriel killing spree not unlike the zodiac killers. Deadshot also goes on a killing spree, leaving no clues as he is usually very far from his suspected target. While all this is going on, a large string of jewelry robbings are going on. Eventually, bruce wayne gives in to his hero complex, becomes batman, and attempts to stop the diamond theft. He stops a small time mobster named Victo Fries. The riddler, watching on camera, becomes ntrigued with both batman and deadshot. He captures them both, and tells them that they can either spend there time fighting one another, or work together to find a way out of his death trap, located in arkham asylum. While the two attempt to work there way out, Edward discovers batman is bruce wayne. When he returs and sees batman and deadshot have almost completed his riddle filled death trap, he sets up one ultimate test. He arranges for deadshot to be killed, and then the exit to arkham be locked. He then tells batman that there are two bodies lying within the morgue, one of Tomas Wayne and the other of Martha Wayne, both bruces parents. He tells them there are two have of the arkham key within there body. Batman hesitates, and finds he can't bring himself to defile his parents remains. He instead rushes back through arkham, Eventually catching up with the riddler. He then attcks him, and nearly kills him. He instead stops himself. Ties him up and leaves him infront of the police commisinors office, along with the body of deadshot. Bruce wayne then sits in wayne manor, examining his batman mask. He puts it back with the batcave. Meanwhile, in the riddlers cell in arkham, we see the riddler, sitting in his room, saying "the games have just begun". he gets hisone phone call, presses operators and says "I'd like to speak with oswald Cobblepot, please". BAM!!! dramatic music, and then the title "the Dark Knight Returns".