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July 11, 2008

Hellboy II: The Golden Army

Now that you've seen it, what did you think? Hellboy and his pack of paranormal friends finally return four years since the first film arrived in theaters. After a great set of superhero movies this summer so far, including Iron Man and Incredible Hulk, how well does Hellboy II: The Golden Army compare to the rest? Has Guillermo del Toro learned from Pan's Labyrinth or did the success get to his head? Is the sequel any better than the original or worse? What was the best part: Guillermo's imaginative creatures, Hellboy's teenage quirkiness, the amazingly choreographed fights, or the fantastical story? Is Hellboy II going to crash and burn at the box office or be the sleeper hit of the summer? Sound off below, leave your thoughts, and let us know what you thought of Hellboy II: The Golden Army.

To fuel the fire, I unfortunately felt that Hellboy II was one of the biggest let downs this summer. It was imaginative and the production design was fantastic, but there wasn't much else that impressed me. That goofy scene with the young Hellboy at the beginning really set the tone for the entire movie - and that wasn't good. The script wasn't polished, the directing was sloppy, and overall it wasn't as extraordinary as I was truly hoping. Being a big fan of the first Hellboy, I had very high expectations that it didn't even come close to reaching. However, the film does get better as it goes on and I thoroughly enjoyed the final scenes with the Golden Army and Prince Nuala. Overall it was merely a mediocre summer superhero movie.

What did you think of Hellboy II? Summer sleeper hit or biggest let down?

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  • Dave
    Ditto it was eye candy nothing more. But hey Dark Knight next weekend!!!!!!!!!!
  • Trinket
    I liked Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk better. I thought the first Hellboy was all right, this was better but nothing awesome. Ill wait for Dark Knight too.
  • Tyler
    I loved the choreographed fights. I thought I was watching a Jet Li movie there for a second. I think it ran a bit too long and they could have shortened up the story a bit.
  • Spider
    This flick rocked! The story (for those of us who paid attention) was as crafted as it needed to be. Amazing visuals, well -rounded characters. The acting was great--it was where it was supposed to be for this kind of flick. All in all I enjoyed "Hellboy 2". It is a worthy sequel and does measure up there with "The Incredible Hulk" and "Iron Man" in terms of plotting and solid entertainment while improving upon it's predecessor. Yes, the fight choreography rocked too. It seems as though some of us movie goers are getting burned out a little on comic book flicks.(Not counting "Hancock", which was not good at all.) If it seemed that the movie straddled the line between movie and cartoon/comic book, well then what about "...Hulk", "Iron Man", even "Hancock". This is a comic book flick, nothing more--nothing less.
  • Billy
    Alex, you are a tool and this is the final nail in the coffin, I only ever came to your site because it had a simple, clean layout and a fair amount of news. This is about the millionth time I've seen you pull this crap...you hype and hype and hype and hype and suddenly switch gears completely. from "t definitely looks like Guillermo has beefed it up and truly pushed it to the next level. The summer seems to keep getting better and better as time goes on and I think Hellboy II is not going to be an exception to that rule." to "o fuel the fire, I unfortunately felt that Hellboy II was one of the biggest let downs this summer" and yet, it is recieving large amounts of critical praise as seen by the 88% on rotten tomatoes with a 89% for cream of the crop. How is that one of the biggest let downs this summer, with movies like Hancock so poorly reviewed? Or maybe you should just come to the understanding that you seem to be very wrong on your hyped movies lately. TO FUEL THE FIRE I loved it. Great movie , amazing eye candy and the fights..oh the fights!
  • Pickle
    To further fuel the fire: I loved it too!! Need I say more??? Sleeper hit of the summer next to, "The Incredible Hulk". I'm with ya Billy #6
  • http://www.firstshowing.net Alex Billington
    Billy... Let me explain. There is a vast difference between my level of interest and hype BEFORE I see a movie, and what my opinion and thoughts are AFTER it. This article is purely looking at my thoughts on the film and my opinion about it. That is completely separate from my thoughts before and how much I was looking forward to seeing this and how excited I was for it. It's not like I'm purposefully flip flopping, it's just what happens. I get very excited for the movie, I go see it, it doesn't deliver and lets me down, and that's my opinion... There is no where that says just because I was really excited for it, I have to enjoy it. That's what happens - movies get judged and opinions come out. This post is purely used as a place to discuss what you thought of the movie, not my flip flopping of hype vs expectations. Unless I want to talk about how it didn't come close to meeting them in the slightest...
  • Mr. Sifuentes
    Hellboy 2 was a huge let down. Cinematography, Lighting, Art Direction were amazing and what I would expect from a Guillermo del Toro. Now the script & acting were childish. The film broke the thin line between a movie and a cartoon. I felt I was watching a G movie not a PG-13. Even with the light nature of Hellboy himself the script didn't work for me.
  • Derrick
    Thanks Billy #6 for finally saying what I have been wanting to say for a while!! Right on the money. I personally loved the movie.
  • Gene
    I plan on seeing it tonight but I'm gonna have to stick up for Alex here. There have been tons of movies that I was hyped for but didn't come close to reaching my expectations. Hopefully I'll disagree with his opinion when I see it later. Also, it seems to me that it is in the websites best interest to hype this movie regardless of how good it is.
  • http://www.myspace.com/kevjohnphotography kevjohn
    I think.... I think I won't get a chance to see this until next Wednesday! :( DAMN YOU, CAR PAYMENT!!! DAMN YOU TO HELL(Boy)!!
  • Boris Van Der Ree
    Just goes to show how a blown up budget because its a "Del Toro" can corrupt a movie. A good effort, just not one of the best movies this summer.
  • Billy
    Dude, this happens ALL the time...I understand movies not living up to expectations, being a bit disappointed and not what (see indiana jones lol) but consistently you get super excited and then super disappointed!
  • RandyG
    First, Hellboy 2 is fine, not in the pantheon of Iron Man, Hulk and Wanted, but way more interesting than Indy4 and Handcock and pretty much everything else I've seen this summer. The visulas DO distract from the story (they just seem to be trying so hard to put eyes in unusual places that it seems needy) but overall it works. Hellboy himself did seem peculiar in his 'shape'. Narrow shoulders and big pecs. In some scenes he definately looked misshapen. I have to agree with Billy #6, this site is over the top with its effusivness. One movie after another, it gets to the point like I'm reading a high school girl's Facebook page and she's fingering herself over her boycrush of the week. Just keep reminding yourself, it's only a movie.
  • kerry
    Hes definitely reminds me of Lucas with big budget visual films and a poor childish script. What a let down and Im a huge hellboy comic fan. :(
  • John
    I haven't seen Hellboy II so I'll hold of judgment, but I respect Alex for being honest with his opinion and not just backing up his excitement prior to seeing the movie. I have seen quite a few movies that I was super hyped about only to be a bit disappointed. I saw WALL-E recently and was super excited about it after reading all the rave reviews. But I have to be honest, WALL-E was good but it wasnt even close to Pixar's best or the hype its been receiving.
  • RandyG
    John 16, Wall-e's a perfect example of what's turning out to be a summer of excessive hype. Really, Wall-e was okay but it's hardly a classic (by september I will have completely forgotten it as one of the movies I've seen this summer). Sometimes I wonder if there isn't something 'going on', some collusion behind the various media outlets to launch one mediocre product after another. I'm even starting to wonder about the bucketloads of Batman praise pouring down on us.
  • amtt
    This was a lot of fun. Can't wait for the home video release - one of my top 5 favourite movies of the summer so far.
  • http://firstshowing.net Andy Adair
    Billy #6 and #9 too, are you honestly saying that you have never been excited for something that has let you down. Your such an idiot, it doesn't even make sense what your saying. "from 'It definitely looks like Guillermo has beefed it up and truly pushed it to the next level. The summer seems to keep getting better and better as time goes on and I think Hellboy II is not going to be an exception to that rule.' to 'To fuel the fire, I unfortunately felt that Hellboy II was one of the biggest let downs this summer'." What it means is this from "I am excited for this movie and I hope its great" to "It wasn't nearly as good as what I expected, I am actually quite dissappointed" Is that clear for you? Man people can be dumb...
  • Billy
    19 No sorry. Its over the top excitement followed by extreme disappointment. For referance, read #14 and #9 and to #14 - spoken like a true poet After sitting on Hellboy 2 for a few hours now, I'm slowly appreciating more and more of the movie and the commitment Del Toro put into it. Although, it had its flaws to be certain. The dialogue stands out (although I wouldn't say bad...just...medicore compared to the work put into the art side)
  • http://firstshowing.net Andy Adair
    The point is that that happens sometimes!!! That really hasn't happened to you? Man, you must lead a pretty fulfilling life if all your expectations are consistently met.
  • Josh
    I miss liz's blue flames I hated Danny Elfman's score (seriously, the theme from the first movie is fantastic....why the chance to this) The first half of the movie was very choppy (because of the script) (I'm gonna get hell for this) but i didnt like Doug Jone's voice. He's not that good (or as good, at least) as David Hyde Pierce. Basically, i love consitancy between movie franchises. and there were many changes.....that didnt need to be made that being said, i LOVED this movie (tho not quite as much as the first). amazing cinematography, vision, character design, good acting (except Selma Blair...even tho i like her a lot), hilarious, and overall entertaining. good stuff
  • Corey B.
    Hellboy 2 is a pretty good movie. i personally enjoyed it and didn't let the hype get to me, so i wasn't let down cuz i wasn't expecting a 10 out of 10. Overall the film is enjoyable and the special effects are something to enjoy. There are some odd jokes that don't seem to belong to the originality of the comic but as for the movie they work. if your going to see hellboy to be entertained and truly see a movie that doesn't flat out blow once you gotten your panties in a bunch, go out and see it. it's worth the time and money. side notes : yes at time Hellboy's body did seem misshapen and some of the parts of the movie r to mussy, and yes some of it isnt all that true to the hellboy character. Overall tho, this is defiantly one of the better movies put out this summer
  • Gene
    I saw it tonight and I thought it was great. I enjoyed the story, the characters, and the images. I still can see why some would not like it though. Hellboy 2 is not a typical comic book movie. You can't compare it to Ironman, The Hulk, or Wanted because you'd be comparing to different styles. Personally, I enjoyed this more then the first one. You could tell that Del Toro had a lot more freedom in this one and it payed off. It took way to long for them to make a Hellboy 2 but I must say it was worth the wait. Can't wait for another Hellboy, hopefully I won't have to wait another 4 years.
  • Lana
    I think people are getting entirely too excitable over movies lately. We're constantly expecting the newest love of our lives, the newest "best movie I've ever seen ... this summer." I enjoyed Hellboy very much, and took up the comics and loved them as well, for different reasons. I wasn't actually that impressed by the trailers for Hellboy II. I didn't like the story, or Liz's haircut. And now that I've seen it, I can say this is the least amazing Danny Elfman score I've ever heard. The inclusion of popular music threw me (but all but one I ended up liking the effect), too. BUT I walked in knowing I'd enjoy it. And I did, immensely. The character interaction felt to me like a tv show that you love to tune into every week: funny, and intimate and peppered with the sort of jokes that a fan gets. Sure the story was simple, but honestly, I'm not expecting To Kill a Mockingbird here, it's a comic book movie. I love the 'realism' style of comic book movie that's come about in the last 15 years or whatever as much as the next geek, but once in a while it's nice to just enjoy the ridiculous and fantastical and pulp. Conclusion: Johann was awesome, I didn't miss "Frasier's brother" as Abe's voice, the effects ensure repeated viewings will be just as fun... red vs blue and Barry effing Manilow!
  • bassbin
    didnt like it, all his movies are crap i hope that he goes no where near the hobbit with the fake and useless fx
  • daniel
    1. It looked amazing. 2. I about pooped in my pants laughing when I saw the young hellboy. 3. A few laughs and gasps. 4. Cool effects. I thought it was an amazing movie. Sure it's no Iron man, Incredible Hulk, or Batman ( The Dark knight opens in one week!!!! yay). I give it a 4/5. Reminder: The Dark Knight comes out in 5 days 19 hours and 34 minutes!!!!!! I am personally a huge fan of batman. All batman movie not just Batman Begins. And I hope, as well as many of you, this sequel will not suck. Let us pray for it.
  • Curits
    I just got back from the showing and i throughly enjoyed Hellboy 2 it had some hysterical scenes were the whole theater burst out laughing and parts along the way that were pretty funny. The action was really intense the Prince showed off some kick ass moves, When Hellboy and The Prince fight at the end was really a treat really got the blood pumpin. Great movie with some great directing by Del Toro im really looking forward to the third. It wasn't perfect tho it had its problems i wont really go into because they have already been said above but i will say one thing the opening of the movie was bad and shouldn't have been put in the final movie (kid hellboy looked super goofy and dumb and was a shitty way to open off such a great movie) Hopefully Del Toro doesn't screw up the third one (with kids being involved could really mess the movie up like previous films that add kids to the mix) i have faith in Del Toro and im pretty sure he will pull it off. Im hoping this makes enough money to spawn another film.
  • Colin (brother of Mike) Hunt
    A big let down? Well, exactly like the first one, then.
  • Adam
    Liked it alot... funnier than I expected and just a real entertaining movie.... Del Toro is always going to bring something to all the films he does and he impressed me with this one once again... different than the first but all good... check it out for yourself... and the young Hellboy was hilarious!
  • http://lol.com jim
    its not like it even matters because this movie was just made to keep people busy until The Dark Knight. TDK MIDNIGHT SHOWING. ITS GOIN DOWN
  • CaptainNemo
    "To fuel the fire, I unfortunately felt that Hellboy II was one of the biggest let downs this summer." It was imaginative and the production design was fantastic, but there wasn't much else that impressed me. That goofy scene with the young Hellboy at the beginning really set the tone for the entire movie - and that wasn't good." Heaven forbid a summer movie have a little heart and camp. We must be dark! And gritty! Like Hancock! Wait... "The script wasn't polished, the directing was sloppy, and overall it wasn't as extraordinary as I was truly hoping." I really liked the script. It felt like the movie really flowed from scene to scene, and every action scene had an actual reprucucssion on the plot. And I think Del Toro was not just the best director for the job, but the only direcrtor for the job. Who else can capture the spirit of Hellboy like he can? "Being a big fan of the first Hellboy, I had very high expectations that it didn't even come close to reaching." I was a big fan too, and my exceptions were exceded. "However, the film does get better as it goes on and I thoroughly enjoyed the final scenes with the Golden Army and Prince Nuala." Now we agree on something. Oh, and it's Prince Nuada. "Overall it was merely a mediocre summer superhero movie." I thought it was better then Iron Man, and on the same level has Indy IV. Johann Krauss FTW!
  • Richard
    This is what I think: The HULK>Ironman>Hellboy2>Wall-E>Indiana Jones>Wanted>Hancock man Ive seen alot of movies this summer. Hellboy was kinda campy (especially the music), almost too much in some parts (like the very very end) but I did enjoy like the drunk singing, thought it was good. The visuals were great and not since Jim Henson have we seen this style/level of visual imho. The story was OK, I still think Selma Blair isn't good enough, I didn't believe any of her emotion, even tho I believed everyone elses even Abes, which makes me think more and more she just sucks. All-in-all it wasn't as good as I thought it would be but it was good enough that I enjoyed it. Defiantly worth the money. Definitely buying the collectors edition DVD.
  • Shige
    So basicly #6 Billy You are complaining about that Alex had high epectations for this one and then was disappointed after seing the film. Gee I can not imagine any other person with the same expectation path. (Irony ON).
  • Billy
    So, but thanks for completely missing the point. You and that other guy would make good friends. I expressed a complaint that the same thing happens with virtually every movie (with a rare few exceptions) on the site, over and over. Put on your thinking cap gent and read the people who agreed.
  • Nthngmn
    Visually fanastic, incredible fight choreography......horrendous acting/delivery.
  • Manic
    Hellboy, I think is way overrated and overhyped. The first one was all right but not awesome. I think people just are saying Hellboy and Toro's vision is awesome because they are running offs the curtails of Pans Labyrinth brilliance, and following other peoples opinion.
  • MovieFan
    First, I love "Hellboy" and think it's quite possibly the best comic book movie ever. It's definitely my favorite. And I watch it about twice a year and feel it gets better with each viewing. I caught "II" very early this morning at a near sold out show. I was surprised when I turned the corner walking in the theater noticing how crowded it was. Overall, I thought the film was great. Amazing visuals and sets. I did miss David Hyde Pierce's voice for Abe though. But overlooked it as the film went on. If I had one complaint about the movie, I'd say maybe it was a little TOO busy with the effects and action. I just kept thinking "How is Del Toro going to top THIS if he does a third!?". But over all, I'd rate this a 8.5/10. The original gets a perfect 10/10.
  • Shige
    35 Yes ? A lot of trailers get me excited too and a lot of real move experience turn me of. What is your point here ? Please pretty please let me know since I am the dumb all assuming uy who gets excited about some flicks and you are the mature one who weights the trailer to your huge life experince.
  • Pickle
    Guillermo kicked ass again. The movie was really good. The opening sequence with pre-teen Hellboy was a funny surprise. Let's remember: It's a comic book movie. Things like these happen. This scene was a clear throwback to the opening sequence of the first, "Hellboy". I enjoyed the 1st one and loved this one. I sure hope we get a third. del Toro will, no doubt, top himself again. He's that good.
  • tish
    Our family went to see the as a birthday present to me. We really liked the first movie and were really happy with the second. My daughter seven said she likes this one better. Hopefully there will be more to came!
  • http://blog.myspace.com/shero_rauf Shero
    Alex did it again ? and Andy Adair is protecting him ? I know that Alex have no words to answer my critics against him ... but at least he may try to be more realistic in his fucking comments and posts ... as Billy said : he get super excited and then super disappointed! / there is no normal level for his feelings and expectations !!! and why is that Alex ? is it true that you are just a tool to help movies make more money ? or you are a real movie fan or movie critics or movie lover or what the hell you name it ? Until when you will continue in this way ? Until when you will not be able to have one decision ? And as always I said if I don't care about this site I will not be writing comments and critiquing you ... ................................................................ Is it true that The Dark Knight is in your top 10 favourite movies ? A friend told me that you put The Dark Knight in your favourite top 10 movies of all time !!!! and I just saw it .... Is it true ? you saw the movie ? or you are just showing your love for that movie from now ...and what will happen after you watch it ? you will come and say it was not good and delete it in your favourite top 10 ??? as you did with 99% of all the movies in this year ??? Alex Billington President / Executive Editor Fav Top 10: 1) Lord of the Rings: Return of the King 2) Hackers 3) City of God 4) The Dark Knight 5) Saving Private Ryan 6) Donnie Darko 7) The Fifth Element 8) Starship Troopers 9) Kill Bill: Vol. 2 10) Ocean's 11 http://www.firstshowing.net/about/ We all love The Dark Knight and we all want it to be the movie number one ...but we can not call it the best movie because we didn't saw it yet .... How can you say that ? Oh sorry for that question ...You can do everything ...because you are the President / Executive Editor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! am I right ?
  • http://www.skonmovies.com/ Sean Kelly
    I think the first film had a more developed story, however I still enjoyed this film.
  • Tom
    This is about the #6 Billy post. I completely agree, both on the movie and Alex's present demeanor. I am not saying Hellboy II was the greatest movie of this year but I did thoroughly enjoy it. I liked it alot more than the Hulk. I can't help but think that Alex has now become the jaded tool of a critic that thinks his opinion is supreme to anything else. I USED to love this site because his opinion of movies seemed to coincide with mine rather well and his take on movies was actually about the movie, not how overly joyed he gets at the thought of a director. From a fan of this site, Alex go back to when you would give an unbiased, nerdy idea and opinion about a movie. I do respect your opinion on movies but lately I would rather sift through the garbage that is IMDB to find out if I am going to see a movie. And now I look like a doosh because I was just monologuing.
  • http://www.firstshowing.net Alex Billington
    Whoa, whoa, Tom... What the heck guys?! What I wrote above was my absolutely honest opinion about the movie! what I ALWAYS write is ALWAYS my honest opinion!! I'm sorry that we don't *always* mesh on every movie, but there are NO changes from the past to now - I still write with complete honesty. Shero, you're crazy... that is my own list and you're claims are insane. I saw The Dark Knight one day before Hellboy II. Once you all see TDK, nearly every movie pales in comparison. So my brain had the brilliance that is TDK on my mind and thus tore apart Hellboy even more. The second time I saw Hellboy, it was a bit better. But the film is sloppy, the writing and story was pretty bad, and it was, for me, a let down. I don't know how it's so hard to understand that I have opinions and that there is a vast difference between the pre-release hype and my expectations and what eventually turns out to be my opinion of a movie once I see it. That's naturally how this world of movies works and if you can't handle a change from hype to opinion, then I don't know what to say for you... But I'm going to stand my ground. Nothing has changed, everything I write still is and will always be my absolute honest opinion!
  • Iron Man Fan
    I loved it! The action, humor, and drama all meshed greatly together! Better than the first by far!!!
  • http://handfulofwires.blogspot.com DCompose
    I thought it was a great movie.
  • Tirrell
    I agree with #46 I thought it was a really good movie However, Im ready to start seeing him turn into a bad guy like they keep telling us.
  • paulina
    amazing!!!!!!! very well gordo, very well!!! great movie great entartaiment.
  • André
    Hellboy 2 was like 'The Never Ending Story' for grown-ups.
  • Great
    I have been let down by a few movies. This wasn't one of them. Although i agree with one of you... the movie was very choppy at the beginning. The visuals were nice.. Did Hellboy lose some weight though??? Lol- the ( spoiler ) drinking scene was CLASSIC! So hilarious, i wish i could see it again with a larger crowd so i can hear the laughs. All in all i did like the first one better but the second one was done well and i enjoyed it. Very little complaints from me and i am more pleased... On another note. If they can make this movie WHY THE HELL NOT A NEW LIVE ACTION TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES!!! I'm begging for this, man! Del Torro would make it work and work hella well!!! Come on! I'm just letting it out in the air... Maybe someone will catch the tug at their ear. Anyway, Hellboy was great but at some point you gotta be more badass than funny AND funny it was. ^_^
  • http://blog.myspace.com/shero_rauf Shero
    hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh crazy !!???? Why so serious ? Alex here we GOooo : You make your self like a jerk by making such mistakes again and again and I am speaking about near by 99% of the movies of 2008 ... The sureness you got before the release and the big disappointment you have after the release make you look like a jerk ...REALLY ! .... Again it is not a one time mistake ...you continue to do the same again and again .... for almost all the movies in 2008 .... If I was in your place with such big disappointment for such long time for such amount of movies ....then I will quit writing opinions ...and I will become just a messenger who bring new news and put them in the site ... nothing ells ... ( look I am still not saying that you need to find a better job but I am saying stop being a jerk and make the mistakes again and again ... real man learn from his first mistake but I think you need to get a record of mistakes then you will realise it ) If you call all these mistakes opinions then I believe you are not discussing anything in the real life ...because if your opinions in life be like these mistakes for movies then I am really surprised that you are out of the hospital ;-) And for The Dark Knight : I am really happy that you like the movie and you saying this after you watched the movie but why you didn't mention that before as a topic !! ... you didn't mention where or when you saw it .... ? did you saw it in a Screening or you find it in some hidden torrents on line ? and is it why you put the topic : Stop Watching Dark Knight Footage - It's All Part of the Experience! ?????? And my critics about your posts begin from a long time ago even before you watch The Dark Knight then what about them .. ? did you compare these movies too under the power of The Dark Knight ? that mean you must saw the movie before 2 months at least !!!! how you will explain this ?
  • http://firstshowing.net Andy Adair
    When you say he is a jerk because his pre-hype doesn't match up with his opinion after, you sound like an idiot. Explain to me how that makes him a jerk! Maybe you were seaching for a different word, but couldn't find it!
  • http://blog.myspace.com/shero_rauf Shero
    Andy Adair ... you show day after day that you are Alex's bitch ... and Alex will lough for this ... I know :-) You are protecting one another just because you work together ... you look like the fanatic Muslims who never say no to anthers even when they make mistakes ... they are on the same religion and that is it ...even if the make the biggest mistake they still say we are right ... Andy Adair : As I see .. you just wrote 3 topics in this site ( by the way I like the points you mentioned in them - look I am true in my words even I know you are against me ) .... but you are more focusing on protecting Alex ... let Alex protect him self because it is his words and his opinions not yours .... and if you want to be his bitch then good luck you are doing a great job . And for the word Jerk : yes I mean it ... these people who just wrote 2 words agree or not agree with Alex and go away are just people who don't want to give from their time to discuss this matter and of course they have no time for that too ... Otherwise no one and I mean no one must not be silent for such mistakes and changing in opinions and playing by words .... I didn't wrote ( his pre-hype doesn't match up with his opinion after ) ... don't change my words and learn English ...I may make mistakes in writing because English is my third language ...but you making such mistake...shame on you ... I wrote : The sureness you got before the release and the big disappointment you have after the release make you look like a jerk …REALLY ! now is that more clear for you ... ? ............................................................ One other point " not changing the subject but I think it is time to take an action for it " : How can we be sure that some of the people who wrote "I agree with Alex" are not Alex him self or you who change the names ...that is the big problem in this site that anyone can write anything and you can not know him !!! even they used my name one time writing stuff ...and no one take an action for it !!!!! I can enter one Internet club and write by different names a lot of stuff just to make a problem for this site ...and no one will know it was me .. . I by my self decided to not answer people who have no profile or site that show who are they ... Look even I am in fight with you guys but still want the best for this site . It's all part of the plan :-)
  • http://firstshowing.net Andy Adair
    Wow, a personal attack by calling me his bitch, I am not surprised that you start off your argument with that, its a low blow. You and others have been attacking his opinion, which is so dumb. I just don't understand how you can get so upset because one man has an opinion about a film? Is it so hard to understand that his opinion is just that? Or are you just jealous that Alex has a website and you don't? I just don't get it! And if you re-read your comment, jerk still doesn't make sense, i actually laugh when I read it. I don't know what you were going for there, i can help though. Maybe idiot? That would make sense. And shame on me? At least I am not the one formulating some crazy conspiracy theory about Alex and his "agents" commenting on his own website. I do know Alex, and believe it or not he doesn't do that! I understand that your frustrated, just don't attack a man's opinion. This article is about what you thought of Hellboy, not what you thought of Alex's opinion.
  • http://blog.myspace.com/shero_rauf Shero
    Here we go again ..... ladies and gentleman .. I introduce you to the main event of this evening "Andy Adair" Andy Adair .... Again you are wrong and really becoming his bitch 100% ...( I hear Alex laughing ) ... :-) First of all I didn't began the attack against you ... you did when you wrote ( You sound like idiot ) ... that mean it is again you not me .... do not play by words and do not change my words ... be a man and be true to your self and to everyone who read this .... We have the right to be upset in such mistakes because we care ... if we don't then we will even do not continue to enter this site ... and you must know that and Alex know that too ... my critics are not from hate ... it is from the care to make better things but as I see you still didn't get it ... and you loss the discussion and that is why you begin to change my words and show me as a man who hate this site ... and why is that ? Your answer ( that you put as a question ) : are you just jealous that Alex has a website and you don't ? You must be kidding me ? make a search by my name and Alex's name and you will find out my answer .... " I am defending my self that is why I mention that otherwise I never like to write such thing ... sorry everyone " Ok again for the word jerk : If you like idiot and if you think it is the right word for Alex then ok ... Alex you are idiot " That is what Andy Adair said correcting my word jerk " :-) What ? " the one formulating some crazy conspiracy theory about Alex and his "agents" commenting on his own website " .... His own website ??? what that mean ? is that mean we must be agree with him otherwise we must not write anything ? or ... we have no rights to show him his mistakes ? why even he made this site then ? I think he made it for everyone ... he made it that we all can see what is the new news of the movies ...and that mean he made it for the audience and the movie fans and movie makers and lovers .... not just for him self or just for people who must be in love with him " like you " . and yes again shame on you because you still have no fucking idea for the reason of this site ! ... and again you make a mistake this article is with the name of Hell boy 2 but it has been written by Alex ...and it is about his view and it remind everyone from the other view , reviews , ideas and opinions he had before and it is almost the same again and again and again .... just the name of the movie is different ! that is why we are speaking about it ... ...................................................................................... Thanks again for showing how much you are idiot and without point in this discussion ... you look like the robot that has been programed just for protecting Alex ... ( Alex I still can hear you laughing ) :-) Look Andy Adair ... you just make a war on your self even in the beginning it was not about you ... you just make your self a jerk ( oh sorry my mistake you make your self an idiot ) ... I think you like that work more .... Why you enter discussion that have nothing to do with you ... I know you are a friend with Alex but it not mean if he make a shit you must go and clean it for him ... let him speak by him self ... and you take another job to do to make this site better ...
  • http://firstshowing.net Andy Adair
    Shero, plain and simple - you are a very ignorant person who will never admit that your wrong. I really do feel bad for you, it's a poor way to live. And I now realize how impossible it is to rationalize with the irrational. Thanks for the lesson, but your just a lost cause!
  • Joker
    From Shero's site Tuesday, July 08, 2008 My comments and critics on Firstshowing : Part 3 Category: Movies, TV, Celebrities Hi again in Part 3 of my Comments and critics on Firstshowing site ...this blog is evry long ... and that is why you need ( How to use this blog ) :-) .... You can just watch the pictures and choos which of the movies you want to know more about it and read it ... end of the story :-) have fun and injoy the blog another one is comming soon :-)
  • Joker
    Nice site Shero; how much does it cost you to run it? I see you are trying to give everyone your opinion on movies. Hope no one is let down.
  • http://blog.myspace.com/shero_rauf Shero
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH It is my own blogs in "Myspace" and I have the right to put my words in my blog too ... What is the problem in that ? I am putting all my comments and critics in every site here , IMDb , some Bulgarian sites , and CGArena .... inside my blogs too to let my friends read it ... is it a big problem ? Again it is a big prove that I don't hate this site and I am even introducing it to my friends ... Joker why you don't be a man and put a real name for your self and let's we see your profile !!!??? Is that what you can get against me .... ? I thought you can do better .... Come on hit me .... :-)
  • http://blog.myspace.com/shero_rauf Shero
    Andy Adair : I hope you keep your words ... by not enter a discussion with me again ..keep your head down and listen maybe you will learn something ... and losers are people who say things without explanation just to hid their mistakes and run away with it and you are one of them ... that is why I hope this time you be a man who keep his word and never again enter a discussion with me . and leave my poor way of living to me it is my own problem not yours ... hope you can try to do better than me and when you do ..come back again and let me know ... let's we see what a rich -great-perfect way of living you will make :-) and I prefer to be a lost case , invisible , and ignorant ..... but I hope I will never be like you .... And now Let's we put a smile on that FACE :-) " I wrote this comment again because first time it didn't appear in the site !!!! "
  • Obiwopkenobi
    Saw Hellboy II yesterday morning and I thought it was fantastic. How can anyone say it was sloppily written? Everything in the movie made sense. The effects were great. They gave DelToro an 80 million dollar budget and it looked like 150 million bucks on the screen.
  • http://roflcakes.tumblr.com/ roflcakes
    I like the drunk scenes.
  • great
    ANYONE see on Rottentomatoes.com that Hancock almost beat out Hellboy2!?!?!?!? Wow, i thought that movie, Hancock sucked? Wtf? Man, i guess the audience knows what they want... Too bad the Wackness isn't country wide. Maybe it would of kicked Hancocks and Hellboy 2 's ass. Though shit... That sucks. To be honest i thought Hellboy 2 would make more money than this. It is a good flick and i would see it again. Cheers! Batman is almost here.
  • Rob G
    Yep, big let down. The story was just so overwrought and weighted down, it never really took off and made me care...
  • Chad
    HUGE let down... Alex, I'm always with you, buddy. I don't understand what people are so upset about, it's not like you have the ability to know how good the movie is going to be before it comes out... What people are saying is just stupid, they aren't using their heads before they say things. Anyways, my thoughts: AWFUL dialogue only decent fight sequences really cool visuals terrible acting Childish humor VERY SIMPLE STORY LINE way too predictable. That is all!
  • Gene
    It's amazing how people can get so worked up over a mivie review. If what he does pisses you off time after time then why would you keep reading his stuff?
  • HEctor N
    I love it, movies like this need not to take itself to seriously. I love that it brought back the fun to Comic movies. Not all movies work well being dark and gritty.
  • http://blog.myspace.com/shero_rauf Shero
    Chad and Gene ... Are you talking to me ? :-) hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh If so .. then sorry my rule is not to answer bitches like you who have no real name and profile ...and you maybe the same person !! How can I know ? ... be real and then I will think and take from my time to answer you .
  • Moviegimp
    I love Ron Pearlman as this character. He just becomes Hellboy and seems to love doing it. I think that what I loved best about the movie is that I didn't really notice the FX and makeup. It just seemed real. Here were real people, who happen to be different, and they were doing their job. It is a great action movie, one of the best this summer, and it's a fun movie. No disappointment here.
  • Drew
    Hellboy 2, not complete garbage, but definitely a big letdown. Having been a huge fan of the first movie, this one was simply childish and goofy. Hellboy was dark, action based and sometimes funny. Hellboy two was a romantic comedy mixed with Lord of the Rings. Also, Alex was right on with the silly opening scene, with a child Hellboy, setting the tone. While watching that scene I tried to keep an open mind, and continually force myself not to think how stupid the scene was. I did however enjoy Price Nuada, and that was about all.
  • Will S. (Co. Springs)
    Hellboy 2 did suck. Wasn't that funny, cheesy script, half-assed plot. Didn't live up to my expectations. I'm a pretty harsh critic. I expect a lot from my movies, and if I don't get what I want, I tell people how I feel. You'll never find a shortage of people who like be jerks through a medium of anonymity. Jealous losers will pop up almost everywhere.
  • Darren
    Looking at the other user comments I'm not going to bash anyone. But here is my two cents: I felt a little let down with Hellboy 2. I have watched the first one time and time again and it doesn't get old for me. I thought Guillermo did a fantastic job in Blade 2, Chrono and especially The Devils Backbone. Then I saw Pans and started to wonder if Guillermo was over creating his worlds. And that is the aftertaste of this film. Personally I'm done with the super creative creatures and scenery in his movies. I felt that Hellboy wasn't so much a character anymore next to the rest of the film. In Hellboy, he was the center piece of the film. And a film in its birth such as Hellboy is in most cases the best of the trilogy. I thought the addition of the Elves as a society amidst the 'otherworld' was a great. Luke Goss played an alright bitter prince and the fight scenes with were on par with my expectations. And although it was nice for Doug Jones to speak more than just act I felt it took the unique intelligence out of Abe. I loved Abe in Hellboy because he was extremely intelligent and eccentric, and with his new friend Johan Kruass he just wouldn't stop talking. Overall I wasn't satisfied as i'd hoped. I might watch it again hoping for better story additions and the actors words on the commentary.
  • Andrew
    Two words: AWE and SOME (feel free to add a hell in there). The film looked great, the creatures were fantastic, the action scenes rocked, and best of all, it was downright hysterical. Anyone who disagrees, I think Johaan Krauss said it best: "You can kiss my ectoplasmic (insert German word for "ass" here)!"
  • Ed Sloan
    In 2008, is it easy to stun us with something we haven't seen before? Obviously rhetorical, Hellboy II has made great leaps for sci-fi and shows del Toro's amazing potential. I'll cede the fact, that the storyline and characters were perhaps a little underdeveloped. I believe this movie alone could have been Hellboy II and III which would have allowed for more appropriate development. However, the last time I saw a scene as imaginative audiovisually as the Troll bridge market was the infamous bar scene in the original Star Wars. This director has time before he creates his masterpiece, (I DO believe he'll top Pan's Labyrinth), but I am so excited to have someone today with the creativity of George Lucas and Steven Spielberg 30 years ago!!!
  • http://www.bartleby.com/61/66/C0726650.html Crapola
    I'm with 74. Really great film, I quite like the clunkyness of the world Hellboy lives in. I thought it was better than Ironman which was more of the same, it was good but the same. Hellboy is quite different from most comic films in that it doesn't take itself too seriously.
  • Lifer
    Hellboy II - great visual, plot would have been decent if it was supported by better writing and some deeper character development. Overall it was a C minus at best. The truth is that you were spot on Alex. Your opinion just happens to be based on keen perspective this time. If folks who read your column can't take a difference of opinion - I wonder why you guys read reviews in the first place? Because logically speaking, your own opinions are enough to determine whether or not you see a film or get the DVD - who cares what a reviewer thinks? I actually read your column religiously because your views differ from mine on a consistent basis. Sometimes I've even changed my mind about a movie because of a point you brought up, or kicked myself for not waiting for DVD (in the case of Hellboy II).
  • steven
    Good movie, drastic improvement from the first one.. Now they have to work on some flaws the movie had. Always wish for longer running time, action, special effects and CGI. Next sequel will take about 2 years to come and we'll have to wait for a long time. So make sure its worth the wait after watching the previous one..
  • joe
    Huge let down!
  • http://www.myspace.com/kevjohnphotography kevjohn
    Somewhat of a letdown. Once the theater darkened and the "pre-show entertainment" (i.e. trailers and goddamn TV COMMERCIALS!) was over with, it never got much more exciting than those first moments of the film. No great story developments, no great charcters (beyond their designs), heck it didn't even have any truly great action sequences. Aside from the visuals, the whole affair was rather bland. And it suffered greatly from "giving away too much in the trailers"-itis. The only real surprise in the film, HB getting mortally wounded and needing to be lugged around by his friends, was a rather unwelcome one. The positives: Hellboy and Abe are fun, interesting characters. Just wish they were given more to do, really let loose. Princess Nuala was hot! If they ever make a Maxim-style magazine marketed towards albinos, she should be in every issue. Prince Nuada was somewhat bland and had far-from-original motivations (a simple power grab and revenge for an earlier wronging) but he was a bad ass when it came to combat. The CGI was just about perfect. When Hellboy and Mr. Wink were wrestling around during their fight, it didn't even register with me that it had to be CGI I was looking at. In the Summer of Greatness (I should trademark that!) with Iron Man, Witless Protection (just seeing if you're paying attention), Hulk, Kung Fu Panda, TDK, and Wall-E, HB2 is second tier at best. But hey, it goes on that second tier with some other flawed films that I enjoyed: Crystal Skulls, Hancock, Get Smart, and Wanted.
  • donnie
    Hey! Witless Protection blew Batman out of the water!
  • S1516891
    I loved the art/visuals. The Angel of Death was particularly striking, although there were so many amazing creatures, and details. I never get tired of that--the amount of creativity and work that goes into such costumes, puppets, sets, etc. But the screenplay sucked. How many cliches can we pack into 2 hours? Such a letdown. And I don't know any of you people, but those of you who are attacking Alex for posting *his* opinions on *his* site need to grow up and move on. Yeesh.
  • bob
    I thought it was a really poor film. It looked amazing, but that's not enough. The script was bad. The acting was really bad. Stiff and wooden. Really forced. The first film was much better. This film felt like it was written by George Lucas. The jokes were not that funny. First film was much funnier. There was not real character development. I loved Pan's Labrinth. But this film felt like they tried to find as many Pan's Labrinth props they could re-use to save money and packed them into Hellboy 2. It didn't even have the complexity of an episode of the Brady Bunch. It did feel like it had all the depth of a cheap cartoon. I don't need to see it again.
  • Ken
    If you want to know why the first Hellboy movie was good, see the following interview with the writer that worked on it, Peter Briggs. http://www.dvdtalk.com/interviews/the_project_fro.html Hellboy II sucked, Guillermo sucks, fire him from the Hobbit while you have the chance..otherwise the Hobbit will suffer the same fate and suck too. Why does he have a job? Mediocre at best. and quit giving him credit for Hellboy, it's not his baby, it's this guy's baby Mike Joseph Mignola ..oh and they should have used a little of the 85 million to get David Hyde Pierce to do the voice over for Abe Sapien. God that was messed up, humor, timing..everything was off.. Hellboy II, Guillermo actually had to think for himself this time and we end up with 3rd grade humor and patched up sentences from the staff of 2nd grade writers.
  • SlashBeast
    I liked Hellboy, but I was thoroughly disappointed by Hellboy 2. I found this to be childish and silly (as evidenced by the goofy opening sequence which really clued me in that this was going to be a film I wasn't going to like very much). Hellboy 2 is more of Del Toro's vision rather than Mignola's and trades in the pulp elements of the original in favor of fantasy. The director's imagination is on full display but Del Toro seems to have no clue how to stage action and his composition is horrendous. Most of the action scenes are anticlimactic, except for the final fight scene which is superb. Ron Pearlman is once again fantastic and brings Hellboy to life, but the film lacks the punch of the original.

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