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micheal bay could have done a better job, this movie was straight up explosions with no story. T3 was actually better than this.

Everyone hates on McG. Get over it! The movie was a blast! I loved it!!!

You know the problem Alex? These people forget Terminator is a popcorn, blockbuster franchise ever since T2. But somehow, they keep demanding something else.

I enjoyed some of it and the plot was much more fleshed out than I had expected. However, it was very forgettable. All of the Terminators had some amazing groundbreaking action sequence, even T3 with the firetruck. Here it was all very been-there-done-that. Also, the end was absolutely ridiculous with the transplant (you will understand when you see it). I also found Bale quite boring, Worthington was very good though and would have rather seen more of him. But they did do a good job at sharing the screen time.

I think for the first time Alex I disagree with you 100%. The more I talk about this movie with friends and other people, the more I hate. @#2 I agree with you buddy! I thought the character development was horrible in the movie. Same with the plot. Connors wife and Common played really zero to no role in the movie. To be honest I thought Marcus was very under used. There was little to no action with him whooping ass on screen. At one point in the movie I was really excited to see what he could do and then barely nothing. Without giving any spoilers I just felt like (and most of the people who saw the early screening. I like to talk after the movies.) all felt like McG fell short in every single way. I can honestly say that I really barely enjoyed watching the movie. It was great to look at but that's about it. I think both of those writers are complete sh*t and I'm agreeing with #2 again. McG should go back to cheesy Charlies Angels movies. Oh and let's not talk about that shitty ending. Save your money on this one and go see Star Trek or even The Hangover. This movie was a complete letdown.

I also love how dropping a car on a terminator can destroy it but pouring hot molten lava on one doesn't? That's great Oh and a punch in the chest from a terminator would cave your entire abdomen in. It felt like Connor was more terminator than Marcus some times -.-

Saw a midnight showing; it wasn't worth staying up to see. Here's some random thoughts: Great performances, fantastic special-effects, intense action... But where was the story? Regardless of it being a "summer blockbuster" flick, there should still be some kind of plot. All the others had movement; they had a beginning, middle, climax, and a denouement. Some will argue (and their arguments might be well crafted) but Salvation does not really have any of these. The PG-13 rating hurts it. I understand why they went with the less-restrictive rating, but that does not mean I have to like it. Great music throughout. Loved the scenery - believably apocalyptic. Bale would have been more successful as Marcus. His performance, as John Conner, was solid, though. Simply put, the movie is all style with little substance. I won't be recommending it to any friends.

Not to nerd out on you Curtis G, but they were completely different models of Terminators. There's definately a suspension of reasonable disbelief with that. Overall, a good movie, but the ending kept it from being an excellent movie. The cheesy villain monologue with the predictable ending did make the experience tail off for me.

It sounds like this movie was average, just as I thought. Like I said before you can't pick up where James Cameron left off!

the robots kicked ass. action was good. acting subpar, dialogue poorly written. Sam Worthington and Anton Yelchin were easily the best performances and deserve much praise. I believe Bale is a good actor, I just think he was perhaps directed poorly. I liked him much better under Nolan's direction. the last 30-45 minutes made it worth seeing in the theatre though. and I think i was happier back in T2 when Skynet was an impending doom in the future vs Robot City from the Matrix.

Im going to see it on my lunch break...why are my posts being deleted!

#20 What are you talking about man? The movie is out. It came out last night. EVERY OTHER WEBSITE HAS REVIEWS AS WELL!!! If you don't want to know what other people thought of the movie...don't click on the link...as easy as that.

I personally thought it was great. Nothing epic, but I enjoyed it a lot. Also, #20 (tiki god) is a moron. The movie is out, go watch it.

I loved it. It was faithful to the original movies (well the first two anyways, lol), good action, awesome special effects. I can't wait for the next two movies.

@ drake, cameron is so going to be pissed

it seems like critics and other people want to hate on this movie just because McG is directing the movie im from the UK and im still waiting when its release over here. but from some reviews from people who watched it liked the movie but the others just want to say its crap cause McG directing it and the situation with Christian Bale and the DP. but down the line i had a feeling the story wont be amazing even Transformers had a bad storyline but its just full on entertainment and thats what im expecting from Terminator Salvation. i have to say if they is a sequel both John D. Brancato and Michael Ferris should not write the sequel and let Jonathan Nolan and another sceen writter write the whole story. its coming out in the UK June 3rd i cant wait to see it and make my own opinon about the overall movie but at least you liked Alex.

I like Fastlane....remember Fastlane?? its was like Miami Vice...with acid....

It had some decent action sequences, but all in all the plot was very clumsy and full of plot holes. It also didn't feel very much like a terminator movie. I don't have much more to say other than I agree with what #9 says way up near the top.

was too drawn out, so they can create another one. Visuals was only good thing in the movie. The trailer w/ NIN was better than this movie. # 33 some good points. I watched Terminator Kyle explained that there weapons wouldnt be ablt to hurt them when he was in the past but they used them in Salvation? Also, In the first one they said they can only go out at night but it was opposite in Salvation and was it me or they should of gone more depth on creating the T-800? It was like boom Sam's character and thats it. Movie was ok, it was in my opinion ranked 3rd outta the 4 films.

sorry for the spelling errors!

Ya know, I loved Terminator and T2, but even they had their flaws. Does anyone remember in T2 when the truck comes crashing over the bridge? the windshield falls out. Then shortly after we see the terminator knocking the windshield out of the truck. As I get older I have tried to not go in with super high expectations and usually come away enjoying what I saw. I'm sure this will be no exception. I read all these reviews and people are acting like this is life and death. If you truly think you can do better then I suggest you move to Hollywood and break into the movie biz. It's like idiots that bitched about Dr. manhattans blue penis in Watchmen, as if that was all they saw. For that they just didn't get the movie. It's just a movie. Get over it.

#22...how long of a lunch break do you get...?

I love it when people say "If you truly think you can do better then I suggest you move to Hollywood and break into the movie biz." It's so funny!!!! If you didn't want to hear peoples opinions on a movie then don't read the bloody comments. This is our honest opinion and yes I am going to bitch about it if I am paying my hard earned money. 9 dollars x 2 + w/e the g/f wants to eat can add to a lot when going to the movies. We are sharing our opinions giving people heads up.

I loved it. Just a great action movie with some great surprises. Kept you going. Not very many slow parts. Can't wait for the next one. I don't know why everyone has so many expections because this is basically a reboot of a series.

who should have directed it? McG did it because nobody else wanted it. Besides not all the blame goes to McG it is shared blame from the studio, to the director, to the screenwriters, to the producers, to the actors; so blaming it all on the director is kinda dumb. I think most people need to understand that Arnold is currently trying to save his state from burning to the ground, so as far as acting goes, he's busy. And for the record as a kid watching Terminator 1 and 2 I was hell-bent on seeing the future after judgement day and beyond, so I'm okay with it.

thought it was very good, definitely feels like there was an hour of movie cut out.

Wait, hold up, the real story here Curtis G is where can you see a movie for 9 rats? I have to pay $11 or sometimes even 14.50 per person. you lucky dog. Look people it's a summer movie. I'm sure we would all love to see a T1 or T2 but it's not gonna happen. When I saw the first preview it didn't seem like a terminator movie. It won't ever feel like a real Terminator movie unless Cameron is doing it. You can't ask a dude to do a wack movie like Charlie's Angels and then come do a great Terminator story. But no one else wanted it, he did it, everyone here is pretty much calling this a bad movie. I will still go see it, I will probably enjoy the explosions and robots and what have you, and I'll kiss my 11 or 14 rats away and enjoy the rest of my weekend till Transformers comes out. Good day sir!

I saw a good movie, not great but nothing horrible. The action was in your face and loud. Most of the machines were spot on. The big one was maybe to much but other than that it was fine. There is nothing wrong with the movie they made it's just that they made the wrong movie. It's the wrong story. We expected this to be John Conner's story and instead it is Marcus's story. Who is Marcus? He's a character that is brought in for this film and then will have no more involvement in the mythos that is Terminator. He is the Qui-Jon of Terminator. A throw away character that makes up the bulk of a story that no one was asking for. TS is so SW EP 1 that it's not even funny. You have the three guys, Qui-Jon, Obiwan and Anakin. They spend a lot of time doing things that don't matter outside this story and have no bearing on future stories or the ones that have already come and gone. There is a whole story here to explain how Conner got a scar. That's it, that is the only bearing on past Terminator movies that this story has anything to do with. Everything else could have been told in the credits of the next film which once again should be the first film. Are they now going to make a second film and spend all their time in that one doing more things that mean nothing to the overall story? There only needed to be one film made. The story we were all looking for is the one that ends with Reese going back in time. That could have been told in one movie. There is not a enough story for a trilogy as this film clearing demonstrated. Just like Star Wars all the elements for the story were there, every geek on the planet knows what the story should be and then the film makers come along and make a story that no one wanted or asked for and makes no sense when compared with what came before it. Good popcorn movie but not a a good Terminator film.

@54 - I'm sadly from Kentucky so that might be why

I honestly thought it was a good movie. It felt like I was watching the battles described in the first Terminator, which as a kid was what I wanted to see above all else. Fast paced action, a great blockbuster. Dare I say it was better than Star Trek? I think it may be because of my admiration towards the franchise.

@43 NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thought Bale threw in a little too much Dark Knight(deep voice), but still decent.

I thought the movie was very enjoyable..but why the hell would John Conner be surprised to see a Terminator look like a human when he ran into not 1 but 4 of them when he was younger??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

59-its called expressing opinions you logic on 1 is fucking retarded, what if some people thought the bad plot holes and story development was the thing that ruined the entertainment part. Its pretty hard to be entertained by a movie when none of it makes fucking sense. Agree on the CGi though holy shit people are never happy..think i saw a person bitch about how the transformers CGI looked "too real" YEAH I SAID IT TOO FUCKING REAL HOW CAN YOU BITCH ABOUT THAT!!!?! Like above said i enjoyed this as an action flick cause it was fun to look at but as a old school terminator fan I am deeply DEEPLY let down after all that shit talking MCG couldnt even pull it off halfway..man transformers better be good or D9 or something cause my expectation for summer movies compared to what ive seen is very shitty if ya ask me.

I'm trying to not concern myself with what everyone else has to say about this movie; could really careless about plot holes and what not. I left the movie feeling good about myself; happy with the world I live in, and ready to take on whatever comes my way. I understood Marcus's need for redemption, his feeling of misplacement, being duped into becoming the enemy; I was there with John as the fate of the world rested on his shoulders. I don't know, call it emotion connection with the Terminator franchise, but I loved this movie.

Sorry, guys. My bad.

Well I thought this movie was completly Unnecessary. The sad thing was I already knew the ending before it even started. It had the exact same ending as the first 3. The only real reason on why I wanted to see this movie was because of Sam Worthington. I wanted to know how good of an actor he was and what to look forward too with Avatar and Clash of the Titans. And I can say he didn't dissapoint. In fact he was the only good thing in the movie. Oh and did anybody else notice how many time McG put his name in the credits? Saying, "Directed by McG" You only need to put it in once dude. Same with the title...

#66, your so right dude... haha i was so stoned when i wrote that. I guess i wasn't really thinking about what i was saying.

Hopefully the movie will be released here next week, as soon as the movie is released i will definitely give it a go.

Did the scene with Sam Worthington covered in mud and screaming for a bit too long remind anyone of the screaming scene in Raising Arizona where John Goodman and his friend escaped from prison?

@ #5: If you think the first two terminator flicks were just popcorn movies then I'd say that on the contrary, you were just too dumb to pick up on them. It's one of the reasons the third flick pissed me off so much. The third terminator took a huge, sloppy shit in Cameron's face by totally undoing all of his themes and ideas in favor of a load of bullshit and stupid action. There should never have even been a third movie in the first place, and that was kind of the whole point of the second movie's ending, but blah... They might look like big dumb action movies, but watch them more closely and you might be surprised to find a lot of meat on those bones, and that's why Cameron's films are considered classics while putrid garbage like Transformers is regarded as pandering to the lowest common denominator. i was hopeful for the new one, what with at least a halfway decent actor being involved who seems to choose his scripts and characters wisely, but the director and just about every other aspect of the film I've seen thus far have lowered my expectations to nearly zilch.

I have just came back home alittle while ago, from seeing terminator salvation, and o my god!, it was that best terminator movie i have ever seen!. The whole movie was just completely explosive "litterally speaking!". I was shocked at how amazing it was!. There is even a serprise scene in this movie that has arnold swartzinagor in it as the terminator!. oops was that to much info for you?!, o well too bad!=). If you have not seen this movie yet, and have just read my comment here, go and see it anyway. Nine times out of ten, people get unexpectingly spoiled by other people and i'm one of those people telling you exacly what i saw in this movie, but go and see the movie anyways!, because you will be blown out of your seat!, thats how great this movie is!!!.

This is a popcorn flick. no more and no less. Got the theater, buy some popcorn, sit near the front and be prepared to get blown the f*** away. The action is some of the best you'll ever see. The characters are fairly shit but the action sequences are up there with Transformers and some of the best action I have ever seen. Dont let Rotten Tomatoes fool you, this movie awns and i cant wait for the next two.

I'm going to give it a big 'meh'. Wasn't bad, wasn't great. The acting was pretty solid, just for me it was missing something.

#32 AJ; When Kyle was talking about the Ray Guns In The Terminator, his character was from the year 2029, and Terminator Salvation is set in the year 2018. So maybe the Ray Guns have not been invented yet, just like the T-1000 and T-X have not been invented yet either. Have not seen the movie yet and won't be comparing it to Terminator 1 & 2. Those where time travel films and this is the future War that I have wanting to see since I saw the beginninging of Terminator 2. I don't expect Shakespeare, I expect Action and lots of it.

i was let down a little, the movie had it's parts but the movie lacked emotion in the characters and the plot. personally i think there should have been more than a handful of machines watching the complex and the mono tone feeling that the movie gave off contradicted christian bales acting. if you watch the trailer than the movie implies an epic struggle between man and machine but im willing to give MCG the benefit of the doubt and say i hope it was just a building block for the next one.

There was definitely something missing from this flick. Heart, character development, and storyline. The action was good and the long extended shot was pretty cool with Bale in the chopper. Sam Worthington saved this flick and common's acting was horrible! Anyhow, it is worth a matinee in my book. Star Trek is the movie to beat this summer!

I still didn't watch this movie... As I read in some posts it is really worth watching, but I wonder is it as good as it would have been if Arnold was in it? I'll never now till I watch it I'll give it a try.

#32; Thank you for taking the time to say what most reasonable people think when they read these reviews. Lets face it, most of these people probably live in their moms basement. It's an action movie morons!!! "It lacked substance." Are you kidding me with that? You want substance, wait for the remake of On Golden Pond! It is so easy to be a critic. I would love to see what some of these people do for a living. That is, the ones not living in their moms basement. You people are a joke.

I echo #91, it was just terrible. Whom ever the movie editor is should be hung from a yard arm. *Spoiler* when the guy tried to climb up the fence, terminator shot him and 1 sec later we are in another scene. Very bad editing, I really hated the abrupt (spell) change over to Conner kissing his lame wife, who failed miserably in her acting skills. Everyone crying at the end why the hell did they have a reason for caring, I sure didn't. Conner takes a damn Rome Column throuth the heart and he's able to detonate bombs and talk!?!? Who's the cyborg here? How is it possible Marcus is as advanced as he is? Did someone go back in time and make him?? Hello! Nuclear bombs disable all kinds of vehicles including HELICOPTERS when in range! I get that I'm supposed to suspend disbelief but at least be consistant. Very disappointed.

biggest disappointment ever they failed to bring the series into the future BIG TIME this was so extremely cheesy, why, why do movies have to be so cheesy? I don't require deep thoughts, but lets not make it this bad give me back my money!

Hey # 45, you can always save your hard earned money and wait for video. You may be sharing your opinion, but you're not really giving people a heads up because some will love it and some will hate it. If someone doesn't go see a movie based on someone elses opinion then they don't have a mind of their own. I don't decide whether I'm going to see a movie or not based on what you call opinions. This looked more like a lot of folks bitchin about stupid shit. while your at it why don't you debate who would win in a fight, a terminator or Robocop. That would be the icing on the cake.I think your post was the truly funny one, bitching about having to pay 9.00 dollars times 2 plus snacks for you and your girlfriend. Priceless...

His girlfriend #99? Also known as his right hand.

Looks like the critics weren't too thrilled: http://www.newsy.com/videos/terminator_s_mixed_reviews_meanings I wasn't happy with the McG pick from the get go but them I thought Christian Bale is so consistently good that he would save the movie. But I gotta say Paul Worthington steals the film.

I thought it was pretty good for what it was. You cant compare it to the first 2 films. Period. And it was MUCH better than T3. This movie needed Arnold as a leading role to make alot of fanboys successful.

I loved it...Sam Worthington is to be watched for the next 10 years....McG did respect the Terminator lore and infused it with life and the franchise is alive and well...People should stop over thinking movies. It was better then the trailer let on and it is as good as T2. And the T-800 never looked so menacing as before. It gave me chills and was a great homage to Stan Winston. It was the crown jewel of the movie. Bale IS John Connor. Nuff said!

@#110The One you're bringing up the sex talk an awefull lot are you sure you're not the one who's needin some pootie? Why does being a fan boy mean you dont get pussy, cant one be into harry potter, lord of the rings and si-fi action shit and still be smooth with the ladies?

Wow 108! I really hit a nerve with that "moms basement" comment huh? Weapon XIII? Are you fifteen? You are so cool. As for it not living up to the so called "hype," get a life, oh, and don't be bagging on the car my daddy bought me... your mom really likes it (especially the back seat). One more thing Weapon XIII, I don't think I'm smarter than everybody... just you. Weapon XIII! I can't stop laughing about that. Can't wait to get your in depth take on G.I. Joe.

kelly is a girls name

"Actually Weapon XIII, if you have to ask that question about getting the ladies, the answer is no. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go end it all." Actually your a huge doucher. I hope you take my advise to heart and end it quickly.

@111, man you're right, it has been a couple days since... Well, if you're all that and you're still smooth with the ladies then obviously that doesn't imply to you, does it? @112, I can disagree and think of what I want about other people's comments, that's my opinion and my 2 cents for this discussion. If I think that someone's opinion is dumb then who are you to tell me otherwise. I can take comments and opinions, I just think that some of them are dumb, am I not allow to think that? Thinking that a comment is dumb is part of disagreeing with it, at least I'm being honest and explaining why I think it's dumb. You're the one who's having a problem with my opinion, and you're lecturing me?.... Please... and to make one thing clear, if you would've read my post clearly, I never called or implied that everyone is a dumb ass.... but only to those that it applies to. So if you feel that it applies to you, then it does, but if you don't, then it doesn't. Yes, this is an open discussion,... but i can't help it if people make dumb ass comments once in awhile. If I respond back with something that you don't like then that's your problem. You don't have to like my opinion, I don't care. You can even call me a dumb ass because of my comments.... I don't care, that's your opinion.

I think I might be the only one to mention this. Now, I did know that it would be PG-13 and I didn't mind that. But I think the rating toned down the violence to the point that I felt no threat from the machines. In T1 and T2, the terminators brutally murdered everyone in their paths. There was reason to be scared. It created real suspense. In Salvation, I can remember only seeing ONE person get shot. The rest are just massive explosions. Now...I'm not a gore-lover in movies. But, in T1 and T2, the threat just seemed much more real. In fact, in the future war scenes from T1 and T2, people were getting mowed down. In T1 the terminator even mows down some dogs. Where is all this now? Now the terminator just tries to box John Conner instead of '' ripping his fu*king heart out'' like Kyle Reese claims they will do in T1. So, for me, it was a fun action movie, but lacked the suspense that made the others great. The machines just felt beatable.

Anybody who might of disliked this movie after seeing is clearly not normal!. I saw this movie with the entire audience all excited at the end of the movie, not just because of the ending surpise scene at the end with arnold s. but, because of the whole entire movie!. So you can just imagine how much money this movie will make being bought on blu ray!.

Actually Weapon XIII, when you tell someone "your a huge doucher" you should spell your, (YOU'RE) as in you are. Luckily I have that college education. I'm here to help. I only bring it up because I know the X-MEN don't tolerate bad grammar. Wouldn't want you to get kicked off the team Weapon XIII.

#6 McD?..what the...was McDonald's sponsoring the movie? ...the rest of you negative ned's, it was a great apocalyptic sci-fi following the story line to a tee...lots of action, great cgi...awesome popcorn-movie experience...take that to the bank...'nuff said. Copy? Over!!

I do love the fact that he was so shocked that the terminators had skin, when one saved him when he was 12 and he saw two of them when he was an adult. I would think he would be like... "shit you pussys, i saw one made of liquid metal before my nuts dropped!" I wonder if his first reaction was to hug the terminator when he saw him since its been such a long time since he has saw Arnie...

I definitely liked it more than T3 (it helped that the film from the beginning set out to do something different), and as a summer action film it was excellent. Still, unless you're very immersed in the franchise mythology, you can easily find fault in the thinness of story.

I want to thank all of those people out there who trash this movie. I hope you all stay loyal to me and go and watch my colourful funny talking robots movie. Who the fuck wants to watch robots that can't dance, be funny and have no color. Man you are gonna love the scene where Bumble Bee cries when sam tells him he can't go to college with him, plus I have a transformer who is old and walks around with a walking stick. That shit really cracks me up Ha! Ha! Ha! I am the shit!!!!!!! believe the hype! Join the Bay wagon now you little bitches.

just got back from my second sit though. i got to say, see it again and get over your problems with it, realize this is the new generations terminator and its a hell of a way to start. Because in my opinion Terminator is back. everyone's talking about it. everyone's thinking about it. its every where and I'm stoked!

Well....Well....Well what's the score for the summer 0 - 3 (XMen, Star Trek and Terminator) or is Star Trek at least good enough to be dashed on the win side lol

Cameron's 2 min clips of the future in the previous films were darker and more entertaining. There were way too many plot holes; I mean above ground bases with fighter craft? SkyNet would obliterate them in a heart beat...

138 - if you send me the money, i will just concider it a refund. So Please do! Its 9.50. I dont expect a refund of the soda tho, since i enjoyed that. Im glad you can relate to a naked Arnold coming at you... 140 - i dont know why Xero is so angry. He takes things so personally. Hugs not drugs man... Actually, i thought it was horrible, but ya know.. people can like it. Its just a movie. Have fun with it...

+1 with #78. The original Terminator has a great story and script and very memorable characters. I don't think McG's Terminator will be remembered in the same way 25 years later.

Well, McG couldn't pull off a #1 opening; and now the fade begins. Not a good outing for the beleaguered director. Here's hoping that Warner Bros. will hand the reins over to a more capable director, if they plan to continue the series. @#142: Great post! You covered it all.

#146; You are a big man for calling everyone here who bags this film retarded. Grow the fuck up and realise that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Saw the film last night and enjoyed it for the most part. The effects and action where great, but the film did feel like it was missing something. In my opinion this film felt like I was watching a trailer to better movie out there somewhere!!!!

They should have used the original Jon Conner from T1

It seemed like the best parts of the movie were copied in some cases right down to the costuming and set dressing from James Cameron's T2 and even the elevator scenes from Aliens. It was disconcerting seeing the steel factory scene all over again. I enjoyed the homage, but it got to be a bit much. Sam Worthington, Anton Yelchin and Jane Alexander all did wonderful. They completely stole the show. I'm not sure if Christian Bale understood his role or if he was trying purposefully to play the confused and dissapointed would-be hero that hadn't had a chance to be one yet. His performance was disappointing. If you go to see it enjoy the 'remember when' moments and eat a lot of popcorn. It's not one you go to for any kind of deep thoughts. Predictable plot and wooden acting even from the extras really make the movie seem tedious in spots. Special effects made it cooler than the bad script job.

Finally, somebody had some guts to take on a project like Terminator and gives us the war that we have been waiting for. I will give McG his due, I was impressed with what I saw. While many people are upset over character development, I say there is not much we need to know about the characters. We have had three movies that go on about John Connor leader of the human resistance. So for all the talk, it is great finally seeing how it is done. Are there problems with the story? Yes, of course but every Terminator movie in known for this. Christian Bale performance is solid, I don't know why so many people think his raspy voice is so bad for the character. Personally, Bale was an excellent choice because his temper in real life actually help. Edward Furlong and Nick Sthal couldn't pull this off, because they are both cry babies while Bale is a real man. As for everybody who is bitching about how Salvation is not T2, your right. T2 is and forever will be classic so please stop comparing every Terminator movie to T2. In my book The Terminator is the best movie. But anyways, on to the review. If you are a Terminator fan go see the movie, because if you saw Rise of The Machines, then Salvation will do you right hopefully. As for McG, I think he should stay on board with this project and see it through. I don't know why many people are upset with him and saying he sucks, because Terminator movies could honestly be 3 to 4 hour movies then.

Let me make this clear this the first Terminator movie I have seen, if you got a problem with it bite me. I for one thought it as a overall great movie and better than Star Trek which I did see. I saw Terminator Salvation on my birthday and its one of the few (of 5) movie I see in theaters. I watch only a few movies each year in theaters and rent few more before buying any of the years movies. And this made it for me a one to worth buying the tickets to see and the movie itself on special edition DVD. This is one of the spare monumental movies I will add to my archive. I am willing to say it was strong enough to compete (but not win but not too far of either) against The Dark Knight. And that is saying allot. Great performences by the main characters and top of the line effects, and story holes there for a reason. Marcus is down but not out just yet, you need more movies (sequal) to be accurate. The story fit so that the origins will come to light, no time technology is seen in the Terminator franchise just yet. And the story tampers with time, meaning the past changes the present and the future, while the present affects the past and future. Confusing, so get it right before arguing. And for once will all the critics think from the characters perspective for once in their lives. It makes a world of difference, so learn and don't deal out what you can't take. For all the complainers out there, make the movie yourself and fall face-first in your own trash talk. I watch how they make movies so no one complain about effects unless you do them yourself.

It was a compelling examination of the difficulties we face, being human in an increasingly inhuman world, revealing the underpinnings of our failings as a democracy created by humanists as opposed to evangelists. Christian Bale lives up to his name and might as well have been James Cavaziel in the Passion of Christian Bale... McG deserves a franchise of food named after him, for his heroic directorial efforts! The struggle continues! (Just kidding. Haven't seen it yet.)

IT ROCKED!!!!!!! after T3 i was compelled to actually write to C2 pictures to express my disgust, but this... the mythology is back on track. Well done to all concerned

Lee i have to quite honestly say, that i totally couldn't agree with you more!. Everything you just said is absolutely right!. I'd be completely pissed too off if it was never even made and released at all too!. At least the terminator fans are not complaining that a terminator 4 was never made, which it was so there we have it, there it is so yes!, lets all enjoy it!=). Lets just all just leave it at that!.

Oh Darrin you have no idea what you are talking about. First of all T3 was soooo shit it was way to comical and the only reason people saw it is because James Cameron did so awsome with the first two. This movie was done so well weather it would be the intense action scenes or the amazing sound. Im such a Michael Bay fan and the new transformers looks so fucking aswome but Termenator has given it a run for its money for sure. Mc G brought the termenator franchise back bring on the 5th one.

*************This movie is full of wrong information. If u are a die hard fan of the terminator, then u should already recognized what was the fault.... 1) How come the first revelation of the arnold played terminator in T4 was a T-800 and not T-101?? Check out T1 & T2... 2) How come a skynet machine "Marcus wright" didn't know his mission/objective?? Maybe he can pretend he is innocent to fool John Connor but how come his doesn't know this right from the beginning till the end?? An enemy terminator who doesn't know his mission?? Thats odd. Looks like someone.... "McG & Friends INC" forgot to do their homework..... 3)How come the machines didn't detect or recognize Marcus Wright in the beginning??? When Marcus Wright shows up at the Skynet operation centre then they do. Skynet knows he has a mission to accomplish yet the Harvester bashed him on the hull of the transport ship like its kind a HQ didn't update it machines on the current situation or something. 4) COME ON!!!, everybody knows that its hard..no scrap that!!! DAMN HARD to bring down a terminator... Don't believe?? Then check out the previous installments to find out just how hard it was to kill just one machine. Then thats the case,.... how the heck John Connor and his friends easily take down not one but several terminators at a time. Its like John connor as Rambo giving him a 50mm caliber machine gun with unlimited ammo and swatting hundreds of those deadly machines down like flies. Piece of cake for them ah don't u think?? And thats not enough, he becomes SUPERMAN by going into Skynet Operation centre alone.. no friends ... no backup... no nothin.. against thousands of deadly cyborgs for a rescue mission. B4 this he used to run away from them...but that was just one... 5) Haaa!! By jamming a control signal that Skynet HQ use to control all the machines movement like a remote toy car, the Resistance thought they can deactivated those machines for some time till they take a shot at them... When u come to think off it... its stupid and it doesn't make sense cause those machine are artiffical intelligence and can execute tasks on its own. No need for skynet to have full control over them... They just need to receive the lastest info's, tasks, new and current info's on the situation and updates.. Thats all and they can execute work orders on their own. That why they are AI with built in processors. And when the Resistance jams their control signal, not only the control but their power too gets cut off.. Thats ridiculous cause the machines hav their own power supply and the Resistance is only cutting off the control not their power. Notice how the H-K drops like a dead fly like its power switch is turned off!!! There are still alot of funny and stupid things in this movie but my fingers are aching from typing. If ure a die hard fan of the terminator, u would hav already notice that McG and his friends made this movie for money, not for the art of the Terminator. Bad cast, not Christian Bale but Sam Worthington. He thought he can step into the shoe's of the legendary and only Arnold Schwarzenegger played terminator and his soooo wrong!!!!! &***@#$$ to MCG & FRIENDS INC, not all viewers are dumb and stupid as u think. It's the year 2009 and we have evolved into a much better audience. We know when your lie for cash!! !@#$%^&*()*&^%$#@!$%^&*(

I cannot understand all the negative comments on T4. It was brilliant. It was a movie that I went in to watch for some great action and good fun and I walked out blown away. The action was bloody brilliant and some comments above called it "been there and done that". Maybe some of you should get a life and stop being crittics. For once, just go and see a movie for its worth. It really did'nt cost u much did it? If u were thinking ahead of time going headfirst into T4 just for the sake of slandering it, u could've maybe stayed home for something else like maybe "Revenge of the killer tomatoes" or "High school musical" or some other shit out there" I now genuinely believe that @least 90% of u are like this because u've have been breastfed up until the age of about 10. Honestly, u negatives out there really suck big time d**k. I've seen Charlie's angels (all of them) and I really f@#$ng hated it. Then I saw We are Marshall and thought that it was one of the best dramatic stories ever. All directed by McG and I was absolutly afraid hearing that he was going to helm T4. That was until I saw the trailer 2 with the Nine Inch Nail soundtrack. Man! I was so blown away that I hated having to wait 2 more weeks than u negative bunch of cocks just to see it. McG Pulled of one of the best damn action movies ever. I also cannot believe that some of u try to compare Micheal Bay with McG. I love all of Micheal Bay's films, and for me he is good at what he does best, delivering good pop corn fun with just enough drama surrounding it. McG on the other hand is also now one of my favorite director's out there and I wil support every project he's doing from now on. I hope that he can complete the trilogy of The war against the machines, because just maybe handing it back to someone like maybe say ?James Cameron? or ?Jonathan Mostow? we will have some more Terminators entering earth (always at night) from the future around some or other serious biker tipe dudes wearing black leather (always the perfect size) and then running around L.A wearing sunglasses (always the right fashioned sensed ones being broken of the face) carrying one of the lamest weapons of all (sawed of shotgun. there really is better killing stuff out there with further reach) and best of all just losing the right part of it's face every single time in some or nother confrontation.. Then these dudes above me say it was just another been there done that movie? or Maybe u guys stepped into the wrong theatre showing that other weak assed low budget shit movie also called ironically "The Terminators" Go SA 2010

"This is not the future my mother warned me about" No#152; I don't know, if the Terminators are clever, they'll never kill Kyle Resse nor John Connor. The effects it would have on time are not totally predictable, best for the Terminators to do is lock up Kyle forever, and (maybe) kill John. But that was my thought aswell, why not just smash Kyles head ASAP ? Infact, why would the terminators in this time, the time TS is set in, go after John Connor and Kyle Reese in this way? It could mean that in the future they have sent info back(dont know where in past-time) that John and Kyle must die. But, between the horrible T3 and TS, there is alotta room for for story, and leaks where JC's transmissions from the bunker have been caught, and the Terminators pieced it together? Hmm. Not likely, because then they could keep sending Terminators back to kill him, but he was hiding in a bunker, and Terminators sent back in time, are not as clever as Terminators linked up to a grid. Hmm Also, just to note it somewhere, there is no time-travel in TS's time. Time travel is confusing, very confusing. everytime 1 terminator or 1 human goes back in time, the timeline is changed. Before anyone or thing was sent back, that is Timeline no#1. With the first Terminator sent back in T1, Timeline no#1 goes on, and Timeline no#2 starts the moment the terminator arrives in T1. This makes T2 abit odd, because there's 2 time travels, Arnold and the T-1000. They must have happend at the exact time(they do enter T2's timeline pretty close), or else we have yet again a Timeline no#3 and #4 (!?). Same in T3, 2 time travels. Mmkay, what year did Skynet take over? Cant remember. TS is set in 2018, so sometime after they took over they must have gathered intel that JC must die, they have understood he is the messiah that saves mankid threw his actions, or somehow gathered intel from transmissons where humans have talked about him. It seems implied the leaders of the resistance know whom he is...or do they? Having Bonham Carter as the "Face" of the AI was odd, there's something odd in the traps set, the gloating I understood the AI/Terminators had over this plan of letting the humans attack, getting JC trapped and killing all of The Resistance in 1 action. Sorta like Bond Villans delaying the kill, to torture their victim. This could have been handled in a different matter. TS was entertaining, alot of plot(time?) holes, but it's the start of a triology, so there's alot of room to patch over these holes, fill in the blanks ect. Also, don't forget theres something called "Director's Cut", "Extended Cut" ect. TS will improve with an added 20-30mins, if fottage exists. It's not a Epi 1 disaster like many feel, but it's not a movie where if u watch it again you'll get that "aha-that-explains-that" feeling to the various plotholes. Why has there gone so much time before the Arnold model is made? AI is not fully developed, it is based on what humans have told it in the past, and it has had limited connection to data, mostly because humans have not given it much access to intel, data, and primarily because in the nuklear holocaust maybe as much as 95% of all data in the world, on the net, computers, were lost. Due to the fact time has been set to zero with the nuclear holocaust: there is no net, most books are burnt(Terminators dont read books), the AI has to develop on its own. It has a kick start, some machines to base new models on, some data on storage and ofc, the hand of Arnold. Well, data on the hand we can assume, it was melted in T2. Why would the "bikes" have a USB-port? Why would the bikes have handlebars? They were made in our time, by human controlled Skynet? Mmmkay. Maybe little or no need to modify, or Terminators still like USB-ports in the future. Why does noone show signs of radiation sickness? They stayed in bunkers for along time and waited years before entering the surface again. Problem here I find, is that all bunkers are moslikely in some sort of connection with USAF(owners of Skynet) and Terminators could have had the ability to find the humans hidden in them. Where is JC's mother? Did she die in the nuclear holocaust? We don't really know this, do we? Or did she die in T3? Can't remember. Where did JC get all those tapes of her telling him about what to do? Does it matter? How do the Terminators get ore to make steel to make more Terminators? Do they mine? With setting off a nuclear holocaust, it might take time before the machines could build themslves up like they have in TS. And having data on the Arnold Terminator has set them off in only 1 path, to make the Arnold Terminators, and it takes time. I'm sure I can rant on and on. Plz correct me, debate the issues (if any) I have typed out. We dont need another 50 "it was excellent" "it sucked deadmanscock" posts. Well done McG, now go and cover all the po(l)t-holes and make it perfect

I dont assume to understand the massive effort that is actually making a film so its hard to knock those who have. This wasn't a "bad" movie by any means it just was missing the intimacy of the first two films. Intimacy in terms of the characters and preying on our fears. There was nothing special about it. I think when you have an arsenal of material/interesting characters/ sci fi mythology to build a story upon then you cast stellar actors but you still fall short thats just near impossible. You have everything going for you then... nothing. McG was not the person I would have chosen to direct since nothing he has ever worked on is story-driven only CGI spectacles. This mini rant isnt exactly linear but I do have one huge gripe with this movie that if any Hollywood big-wig reads this blog please listen..... Stop with the random cute kids. It makes absolutely no sense. What was the point of the little girl in the movie? Ugh! Supposed gritty apocalyptic war scene... cut to pointless kid. You dont need to toss in a cute kid for us to get the human element of it all. So annoying. Imagine if the first movie Sarah Connor had a little "side kick"? Knock it off.

To 'MEN OF HONOUR' #165, In response to your rethoric to my previous post, let it be known that the biggest plot hole of them all was blundered by the Terminator franchise' very creator: James Cameron himself. The T101 was scripted to be an INFILTRATION unit, and was built to be an assasin; able to pass as human in order to carry out missions. This is confirmed in the first film when kyle Reece states in the Tech Nior club 'I had to wait till he moved on you before I could zero him' each T101 was supposed to be unique. Also in a dream sequence of the future war it shows a T101 that isn't Arnold! Bringing back Swartzenegger back for the sequel was a monumental cock up, because once you've seen one T101, you seen them all, rendering the T101 useless. The risistance would know eventually what they look like because they all look the same,so whats the point in making them look human. But because Cameron wanted his star (Arnold) in T2, rather than explain this blatantly obvious flaw, he simply ignored it! I think in an interview, the only person to actually answer this question when challenged was Stan Winston (RIP) who said: 'Oh. erm. yeah. they all look like Arnold coz they're all made in the same factory!..... Yeah right.... If Cameron can trounce over his own philosophy of 'Terminator art' as you call it, then McG can be forgiven for taking a little creative liscence. It was a good effort, even remembering such small detail like the string around the arm of the shotgun to tie it in with the first film. I think its a tall order for any director to acheive perfection for any franchise thats endeared by fans.

Bringing back Arnie was not the biggest cock-up. The central premise of T2 and T3 concerned itself in preventing judgement day, with John Conner leading the charge in both instalments. However, and this is where most time travel movies cock-up, is if Judgement Day never occurs, then there is no war, Skynet does not exist, and Kyle Reese is not sent back in time to impregnate Sarah Conner. If John Conner was to be successful in stopping judgement day in T2, then he would cease to exist. What Conner never failed to realise in T2 and T3, is that his continued existence is proof that Judgement Day has happened in his fathers past, and must be a part of his future in order for him to exist! T4 is the first of the sequels that actually seems to at least attempt to maintain the time-line and fully understand cause and effect.

I thought it was ok. Although I expected to see more commercial icons in ruins-it would have been very entertaining to see a Macdonalds golden arch precariously hanging off it's hinge and swinging in the wind making a creepy rusty sound then crashing down on a Robot!! That would have been fun hey? Nothing beats Termiantor 1 and 2. Where were all the tough chicks? Like one critic said Connor's wife was wringing wet. And where would you get designer fighting kit after the apocolypse that worn by the unconvincing(although very beautiful) Monn Boodhound or whatever her name is! I would have love to have seen Conner's wife tough and pregnant protecting her unborn child as any mother would in a fight with a machine. That's what made the Terminator 2 film so awesome when Sarah Conner had that injured arm and was loading that gun with one arm fighting off the bad robot whilst protecting her son- who wouldn't have wanted to see that! I would call this film a war film, not a sci-fi film. Oh yeah, according to the first films John Conner was using laser guns!

With regard to the Laser-Guns. The battle scenes in T1 are set at a time some time in the future from the events in T4. T4 is set in 2018, and from memory, the T1 flash forward is set in 2027. It would not be unreasonable to assume that energy weapons were developed in the intervening years. The fact that the large walking machine seemed to be using a large energy weapon would be an indicator that these are likely to feature further down the line! Also in T1, Reese refers to John Conner as the leader of the resistance. In T4, while he has a position within the resistance, he is not the leader of it at first. They seem to be making an effort to tie things together quite well and the story seems to be aiming to a completion of the timeline circle with an eye firmly placed on the films that have come before.

Great movie which actually works well with the Terminator background, its a shame that the film is being panned just for the sake of it. A few points which people are getting hung up about. 1) Why didn't Skynet just kill Reese, instead of waiting for Connor? Well I would suggest that your not thinking like a machine, something which none of us can really guess at their behaviour. However is it possible that Skynet wanted to be 100% sure that the threat to its future was taken care of and would thus use Reese as bait, kill two birds with one stone.... 2) What is with Marcus? Marcus is a prototype and during the film it is clear that Skynet does not have full control over him, hence it has a new model in production. Anyone recall Arnie's chip in T2 being switched on, to allow him to learn. Clearly Skynet chooses to restrict its infiltration units, Marcus's model is not unpredictable for Skynet, and is proved correct at the end of the film. 3) No laser guns? Clearly the machines are still developing these systems, which is hinted at in the pre-novel. The flash-forwards in the previous films are around the end of the war, T2 shows T800 with laser guns and we've only just got to the T800 in Salvation. 4)Why didn't the T800 melt with the molten metal poured over him? In T2 the molten metal was in a vat constantly heated, were as is Salvation the molten metal would be cooling the moment it was released from its container. 5) Connor not seen as the leader of the resistance... Its been said that Connor does not show leadership qualities, and yet this film clearly sets up the reason why he becomes the leader and why everyone admires him so much. They went it alone into a Skynet base, against orders, saved a number of people and destroyed the base. Just look at how Reese looks upon him when he's on his deathbed. Conner has become the leader at the end of the movie. I personally think that a lot of the complaints are misguided, this is a war film and not a sci-fi horror that was T1. The lack of character depth is due to the running time and is covered by the current trend of filling in the blanks with novels, cartoons, web episodes, etc. Which is perhaps the reason for the lack of depth? The film was enjoyable and could be compared to SW Episode 1, in that it is setting up the main characters, though that film was a cringe worthy experience. Yet need to be a stand alone film, in case the sequel (trilogy) in never made. Thought I would leave with something for you all to ponder. What if Skynet does not send back the terminators in time, after all it knows that it fails in the past from records (must have some since it knows Reese is Connor's father). Does this mean Connor himself sends back the terminators to make sure the timeline stays the same?

T2 was a sci fi drama with some action this was a scifi action movie with a bit of drama.. watching it as a action movie i really enjoyed it ! the chat with the evil computer screen was rubbish and the end heart bit but so far i would say this is the better of the action movies released this summer

Great movie... Held up to expectations of what the 4th movie could have hoped to have been. Had a different story which is thankful, as all the previous films had basicaly the same story although like this movie, it keeps you glued to a climatic ending. Looking forward to the 5th and 6th part.

Great intro with the one shot scene flying the helicopter and an amazing dog fight in the canyon. The rest was rather poor and more predictable than ever.

I meant, #185.

I also found the "no fate but what we make for ourselves" speach. It was said by Sarah Connor in T1, in a scene that was cut from the movie. Though I still belive the film should of been darker, see my post in 182.

I like movies about robots. There was no story in 1, 2, or 3 so I didn't expect it here. Oh I forgot...in the future machines take over the world but one man fights back by sending a robot to the past to protect his mom. Wow, very deep. I needed more development of that like I need another chapter in the Star Wars trilogy. This movie needed more nude robots and shallow, retarded one-liners that only a mongo like Arnold could pull off. I want to see a metallic tit that explodes.

The thing is, you need to spend the weekend watching T1, 2 & 3 before you walk into the theatres to watch Salvation. You'll then understand all of the connections- Kids who think they can write a review on this movie without having watched the previous T's, don't even bother!

I have seen T1, 2 and 3. recently. This movie was terrible!!! McG has destroyed this franchise. I loved T1 and 2. T3 was ok. TS is RUBBISH Avoid

Just the three word review: A nonsensical clusterf#ck.

#32 asks if the movie would have been that much greater if we would have learned why Star was a mute, why Marcus was on death row, what gang Common is (which is f'ed up because just cause he's a minority, doesn't mean he's in a gang). And to be honest I believe the movie would have been a lot better with scenes like that. Perhaps presenting them as flashbacks a la Lost would have made the movie better.

True, very true. I strongly agree with Puertorro's comment. Homework is essential for the Terminator franchise. Other than Star Wars its on the same line as the Terminator series. Also if you want to just enjoy a film and have fun, then stop thinking to hard about it. Just have a few pints of Coke and a smile and lighten up.

It was okay. However, the movie was poorly edited.

Exactly... Summer blockbuster fun, what more could you wish for. Although personaly i'm getting bored with it all just being about "John Connor" we already know his story. The franchise should adapt and follow other peoples storys, such as other soldiers etc.

micheal bay could have done a better job, this movie was straight up explosions with no story. T3 was actually better than this.

The comments made up by 166 sounds like he worked in this movie and can't take critisim for their lousy production. My good guess is he is the camera man who Christian Bale throwed his temper at. Impressed by John Connors life like portrail of acting anger as it seems.

Alert!!! Aleart!!! Skynet!!! we have an enemy kid gone emotional on 167!!!!

Terminator: Salvation: It has enough pace and excitement to keep action fans switched on, This is Sam Worthington's movie, and he steals it, decent action film, far superior to the awful Terminator 3. Despite some laughably silly plot elements, McG has created an overall entertaining movie experience. Being a rabid fan that grew up on the franchise created by James Cameron, the idea of McG getting behind the camera for this sequel was slightly nauseating, and yet, by some miracle, the fourth film in the franchise is (barely) passable.

@216 - You can't have seen many good, well-plotted movies, then. T4 was shit. If the "brilliance" of this movie was the character of Marcus, ask yourself why Marcus didn't just kill John Connor when he first met him. Why didn't Skynet just kill Kyle Reese instead of capturing him. Why does Skynet need to have prisoners? Why didn't the humans hear a giant machine approaching? This movie was so dumb, and the audience who loved it is even dumber.

#217 Wow snickers that's a lot of hate for just a movie, perhaps you should direct that towards the person in your life that let you down and is responsible for your childish behavior. I don't know why I'm wasting my time on you, but as an Infiltrator, he was gathering information about the Resistance which he then could relay to Skynet (information that could not otherwise been retrieved). I mean I know according to you I'm dumb for liking this movie, but perhaps you're the dumb one for not giving it a chance and for obviously not doing any research into the Terminator series. sigh...Thanks Arcanus (once again) for taking the time out to explain to snickers what most of us already knew.

If you don't want us wasting time with the haters, then how do you shut them up?

Hey, snickers. If you don't bother with the explanations, how come you did? One mispelled word seems to be all you need to call someone an idiot, meaning you have been one plenty of times yourself. Stop wasting time trying to be a disclaimer. If you can't explain it any better, shut up. If you are so smart how come you had questions and about you think is trash? No one learned from negativity and no one said otherwise. Do you even understand why the storie is PURPOSELY inconcsistent? When you meddle with time of course everything gets screwed up! Its one of the key things about the movie. Honestly, how stupid do you have to get to think that things time is supposed to go the way you think?

If people think these movies are getting worse or not as good as the ones previous, they could at least explain why. They also need to remember that becuase the directors which many series vary makes a big impact on them. Blame the director if it makes you happy, the Alien fanchise had several directors making each movie very different.

Well there is no surprise, #226. When was the last movie you liked you commented on? Is there are movie you like that you will point out? Why repeat yourself as your explination sounds like from as someone not even out of high school. It shouldn't hurt to be thorough and beside the point as to again why? Why is it bad in the ways you say? On another note, if it is so bad how come you didn't understand it? There was a thorough explination and if needs be another to explain to people how everything fits in the movie, as it does. Should we compare this to Transformers 2, then? I would be happy to tell you the difference if it meant people would catch on.

I think that this film was pretty good but it wasn't as good as the first two. The third was interesting but I would've rated it last among the overall series.

The effects were excellent, acting was good, and the sets were very good, but the plot was vague, and tried to fit too many subtleties into one strory line. The movie just plain seemed confused, and like it needed a more forceful central plot, rather than "..we gotta kill these machines...". Consider "Terminator", which was pure art; its central plot was rock solid, and its side story was both very well conceived (no pun intended), and beautifully integrated. The music was absolutely genius, and perfectly set the mood from the scene at Tech Noir, to the love scene in the hotel, to the blanching terror of the denuded CSM-101 limping after Kyle and Sarah in the CAM factory. That movie will simply never be matched.

Terminator Salvation in my opinion was an outstanding movie.....There I said it. Granted Arnold wasn't part of it, I thought overall it was an very entertaining. Special effects were awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!! I highly recommend checking it out.

I think it was ok but i like action movies though, id give it about a 6 or 7 out of ten.