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Will There Be a Terminator 5? Does Anyone Even Care?

by Alex Billington
August 21, 2009
Source: LA Times

The "talk of the town" this week (besides Avatar) is that the Terminator franchise might be on its last legs. Despite its lackluster performance, the real problems now lie in lawsuits and financial troubles surrounding The Halcyon Company, which picked up the Terminator rights a few years ago. Ben Fritz at the LA Times has a great write-up on the legal issues, which seem to only get worse each and every day. It doesn't help that "no one" is really that interested in seeing more Terminator movies after Terminator Salvation was so bad. So will we even see a Terminator 5? At this point, no one really knows, but it's not looking good.

Here's how Fritz describes the situation that Derek Anderson and Victor Kubicek, the owners of the Halcyon Co., are currently in. "The suits come as the Halcyon Company, owned by Anderson and Kubicek, has been attempting to raise money to keep operating their company, according to several people familiar with the situation. The duo also is in the early stages of development on a fifth Terminator film, two people familiar with their efforts said." How can they be moving forward on Terminator 5 if they don't have any money, it just doesn't make sense? It sounds like these guys won't last much longer and Terminator will go with them.

I wasn't putting much consideration into these lawsuits until I started seeing articles from other industry journalists that I respect and trust, like Geoff Boucher of Hero Complex and Anne Thompson of indieWIRE. Both of them are quite pessimistic as well. Boucher says at the end: "All things considered, I suspect the plug has been pulled on Terminator, maybe for good this time." Thompson suspects pretty much the same: "The recent Halcyon bankruptcy announcement has raised some eyebrows, because it seems bizarre for the producers of the $370 million worldwide grosser Terminator Salvation to be running on empty."

Maybe this is just a sign that we should finally forget about trying to continue on the franchise that James Cameron started 25 years ago and focus on the future, including Cameron's latest work. Although I did enjoy Terminator Salvation and would've liked to see more, the $125 million it made is a sign that the fans have spoken, and they really don't seem to want any more Terminator. It was nice knowing you, John Connor.

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harrison

i still want to see more, T4 had its problems but it was still much better than T3, so it can only get better
eric estrada

i think most people feel the same on these movies now. if they make a new one who cares if they don't who cares. I thought salvation had some good action so for me it was entertaining but the movie was far from good. Just the whole time traveling thing doesn't work out with logic.
Brian Barajas

i liked it, and was looking forward to 5, its a shame halcyon is going down, but im sure someone else will pick up the rights, for a "bomb" it sure made a crap ton of money, you cant judge everything by its first weekend.
Antioch

Alex, I completely disagree with your take on T Salvation- it was an awesome popcorn flick with good acting and amazing graphics & sound. Sure, the plot lacked a little something, but to say it was 'so bad' is wrong in my opinion. I didn't do so well (for that kind of movie) financially in the U.S., but the worldwide gross did net the studio a $170 million profit. The franchise could really get rebooted with a more war-based T5.
RandyG

I liked T4, too, and if they stopped making all movies that were as 'bad' as T4 there'd only be 10-15 movies released each year.
Xerxex

I loved Salvation on McG really redeemed Terminator after T3 so yeah I'm ready for another one, just...there needs to be a better writer on set, from what I heared the Salvation script had a lot of changes done to it, and I hope they do not follow that one story line about Connor traveling back in time, we've waited since 1984 to see the future and I'm not interested in seeing the past again. There is only one way for it to go up, and those complaining about the lack of a story line well i'll say this the action was superb, there was good acting on both parts Worthington, even though his voice broke on a few lines, same with Bale and Yelchin was probably at his best here the kid has really come up in the past few years. So I'm hoping the stroy will be fleshed out more in the upcoming Terminator 5.
Xerxex

Oh and saying that Terminator 4 "was so bad" is stupid, and really Cameron could offer some insight on where the Terminator story should go even though he is busy with Avatar, Terminator was amazing, Terminator 2 was great, Terminator 3 was okay, Terminator 4 was good! Come on lets give McG one more chance, hell they give Uwe Boll more chances then he deserves, and look where that has gone, so go ahead and bring a new Terminator.
ClausVangaurd

Antioch, he said he liked it but it didn't perform well and so I totally agree with him. I think you do as well.
Branden

wow, couldn't agree more with #1 and #4. I mean, T4 was just as good or better than Wolverine and Transformers 2 this year and T3 from a while back.
RandyG

#9 - probably even a notch or two above.
http://www.dv-ent.net Darkside

I enjoyed Salvation. If they are going to re-cast John Connor though and whatever Terminator of the week the scribe decides to pen in, I think I will pass. I don't agree Arnold needs to be in it CGI or other, however the movie needs some consistency and that is where I believe fans will be turned off, if they recast and not continue the story from the last.
RandyG

@ 11: You put your finger on it, as much as I like T1-T4 and the Sara Conner Chronicles, the story has been stretched in so many directions it has lost something special. If there is a T5 it needs some consistency/continuity.
http://www.williammize.com William Mize

District 9 has proven you can make smart, popular science fiction for about $30 million. Terminator Salvation proved that you can throw $200 million at a pile of crap and it will remain a pile of crap. Grab a few screenwriters who truly love and understand the franchise, a director itching to make something truly different, and give them $30 million to reboot the Terminator franchise. It will work, trust me.
Curtis G

Could really care less. T4 is one of the worst movies this year IMO.
tazz

i would like to see more Terminator movies if done right the problem was the screen writters John Brancato and Michael Ferris. them guys dont know nothing about Terminator they wrote Catwoman and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. also Warner Bros been a pussy for not having a R-Rated movie. instead we get a PG-13 movie with scenes been cut that everyone notice when watching the movie.
Spider94

t4 was a great roller coaster movie and amazing cgi and acting 2 that held you back on your seats! i would like to see a terminator vs robocop movie next cause there rebooting robocop and terminator salvation was almost a reboot to the whole entire terminator movies so it could happen anytime soon..
tazz

#13 William Mize you are so right District 9 only had a budget of $30 million and its better then Terminator Salvation, GI Joe, Transformers. the truth is alot of lower budget movies with a good director and screen writters are better then these big budget movies. even Kung Fu Hustle is a low budget movie the budget for that movie was only $20 million and thats movie was great
http://www.popcornmonster.com Dan Geer

I care. They left the story wide open and I want to see more. Sure, Terminator Salvation was no T2, but it was fun. I liked where they were going with it.
Alex T.

Personally I loved Terminator Salvation and I hated T3 I don't even count T3 as canon. I was glad they finally decided to make a Terminator film that wasn't entirely dependent on Arnold's involvement. Arnold plays a great terminator but you cant and you shouldn't try to remake T2 over and over again which is why I think T3 failed in my opinion other than the fact that the whole movie felt like a bad joke. I think the reason people have problems with Terminator Salvation is that it has more of a serious tone than they are used to when it comes to a Terminator film. But they should realize that the only times that T2 had its funny moments actually made sense because they were dependent on the fact that the T800 didnt understand certain things about human interaction.
tw

ridiculous to say that t4 was that bad, how fucked up are we that we cant even appreciate an action movie anymore. this film school mentality needs to gtfo of the action genre because its snobbing it up with stupid bullshit. T4 was by no means a masterpiece, but it was a fun flick to watch and i was never bored watching it.
Alex the Fool

Stop pretending as if you're truly speaking for the fans of the Terminator franchise. I'm assuming you're stoked about the new Twilight movie? You think because some corporate losers screwed the Terminator franchise that all of a sudden all the fans no longer want to see a Terminator move ever again? Even though Terminator salvation wasn't great, it was the poor script and poor choice for director that really did it. A bad script is almost always going to equal a bad movie. What a dumb article.
Tom

NOW the fans have spoken, Alex. T4 was good, and we want more.
Cat

I'm interested if they bring in new writers and stay in the future. No sending terminators to the past in England. Dumbass McG
luke

whats all these attack at Alex for the guy even said "he enjoy Terminator Salvation and would've liked to see more" his right that the fans has spoken cause the movie was not a major success that we hope to be
Darren

only thing that still bugs me form salvation was there was more Sam Worthington than Christian Bale and that common said "look its beautiful" pissed me off the whole movie for some reason idk i guess its how he said it
David

I enjoyed Terminator Salvation i had been waiting for a all out fight against the machines since T2, and while I was still left waiting for the most part I thought that it was a lot better than T3 and I am really looking forward to T5
Vold

I thought T4 was an amazing movie. I don't personally know anyone who didn't think it was at least good. I hope to see a T5.
Felix

T4 sucked. The plot was aweful, effects was ok but crude imo, acting I don't really care but I really didn't like when Bale used his Batman voice (you know, the lame raspy voice he does when he wants to sound serious or something...). I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy a fifth Terminator but that's mainly because I want a kind of closure on it. Like, they actually defeat Sky Net and they actually send back the terminators through time.
darkone

#25 heres something really piss me off why the hell John Connor would use Sony VAIO notebook in Terminator Salvation thats just dumb and bad advertising for that product in that movie. that movie tells me that Sony products will be still selling in Judgement Day.
http://www.twitter.com/gimmesumsuga Mathieu

I can't help but feel that the more Terminator movies they make, the more they are damaging the reputation of the first two classics. Just leave it alone, or if you must keep the name alive do it in tangential ways that don't effect Cameron's work (video games, TV, comics, etc.).
dan

i liked "salvation". i don't know that i'm dying for T5, but i'd certainly give it a look.
ZzFDKzZ

T4 was good. T5 plot sounds interesting hopefully they don't pull the plug on it.
Rick

T4 was either really bad, or my expectations were extremely high. In the end I'd say it was a mix of the two leaning more toward it was bad. The story didn't flow the best, it had a few too many cliches and the level of cheese at times was out of this world.
Chris

I enjoyed Terminator Salvation and thought it was a good summer popcorn flick. I'd give it a solid 3 out of 4 stars, very entertaining. However, I really wouldn't care if they decide not to make another Terminator movie again.
http://www.midnightsun.org.uk Stuart Mellor

Hold on there. First you say it was "So Bad" but by the end of the article you enjoyed it? It's one or the other.. To be honest, i thought the film was alright. I think the trailers were MUCH better than the actual film which is a bad thing in a way, but I could see where the franchise was going and would much rather see more of those films than more bloody twilight films.
moldybread

LET IT DIE!!!! that well dried up long ago...should have been laid to rest after #2...end of story...
jono

PLEASE MAKE ANOTHER 1 COME ON SET IN THE PRESENT
Nicholas

You know what ,James Cameron needs to take back is baby. "Terminator", and "T2" were awesome , because of James Cameron. T3 and T4 lost its luster, because of weak story lines, bad acting,bad production and directing. All the effects in the world can't save a movie from just sucking..look at the remake of "War of the Worlds"
Tra la la la la di da

I thought Alex supported T4 like crazy now he's saying how bad it was. Wow what a contradiction. I know it sucked but that's just funny. Well, let it die. Get creative hollywood and make something that lacks visual and story like Avatar. Oh wait...
Marco

The Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles tv show was much better than Terminator Salvation. Let's keep it going on ths small screen.
Ezza

When I watched T4 I was expecting a disaster, but I came out entertained and felt that the criticisms it received were harsh. At the end of T2 I felt that there was some closure. At the end of T3 I thought "Enough Already" how much blood can you get out of a stone. However at the end of T4 I was open to the thought of a T5. Now that it's been considered, I hope they run with it. The storyline is open to a continuation and if they do I'll be going to see it.
Sabes

I enjoyed T4, even though it seems others didn't so much. It certainly doesn't compare to how awesome the first two were, but it was enjoyable. I feel like people are too harsh on it though. I haven't really thought of another one, but if they do....or they don't, doesn't matter to me.
Dave Lister, JMC

This will be a day long remembered... that is if it has seen the end of the McG interference, in the Terminator universe. T:Sal. was one of the shittiest movies I've ever seen. If this proves to be true, the news can't get any better.
last Son

This is fantastic news. Terminator Salvation was not good at all. It felt like I was watching someone else play a video game. This franchise should have stopped with James Cameron. It goes to prove that no one sles can do this franchise justice like he did. The only good that came out of Salvation was that it made Terminator 3 look golden. Thankyou Mcg!!
SlashBeast

I actually liked Terminator Salvation despite it's flaws. I think the only thing a fifth Terminator needs is some better writers and some better direction.
samwise7

As I read the comments on here, most like it, but some don't. A few are totally wiped out against T4. While the story had some holes, it is not something that can't be fixed in T5. T4 was meant to be the first part of a 3 part movie. When viewed as a movie by itself, well yeah it receives a low rating. Maybe 4 out of 10 at best. When viewed as movie 4 of the 4 movies about The Terminator story, and yeah even with the Sarah Connors Cs, it raises it's rating to maybe a 5 1\2. But when you view it as the first of a three part movie, it has potential to become an 8 or 8 1\2 to greater. Yeah a lot of folks were hyped up and expected something to just blow them away, but this film alone didn't do that. The makers can well remember now that Terminator fans are special and won't just take anything they want to dish out. Real Terminator fans want more, but they want it done right! Not just something slapped together to make a buck. We want them to make money, but we want our money's worth! Don't leave holes in the plot, nor in the story line. Did I not understand Judgement day correctly? Nation was against nation because they thought we were against them and blowing Nukes their way? So they blowed Nukes back and thus humanity was on the verge of being extent? But we begin with the world leaders or some of them gathered in a sub as the leaders of the resistance. The signal was a decoy, but did they try to use it to shut down the hunter that came up fast to blow them into history? John Connors got the signal to work, why not shut down the Terminator, even skynet? Holes in the plot? We don't want to fill in the holes, let the movie be complete without holes! Explain yourself even if it takes all three movies, and the Terminator fans will be loyal! Refuse and they will dump you just as quick. But with or without you, they will still be Terminator fans. (Personally I look forward hoping T5 and T6 are added.
Jm Gillera

I think that TERMINATOR SALVATION was a good and enjoyable action movie it is almost as good as the previous three movies and i think that it deserves to have a sequel and i am really looking forward to it and also they did their best to put Arnold Schwarzenegger in it. So for me it deserves to have a sequel because i really love Terminator Salvation despite its small flaws it doesn't matter it is really a good blockbuster movie. Looking forward for its sequel... THANK YOU...................
Xero

i loved Salvation. Personally i liked it more than the other "blockbuster" movies this summer. As for the money its made thus far, thats just the tip of the ice burg. Many movies have done well but not great in the theaters but then made a killing in DvD sales. i think it best to wait and see how much more cash flows in once the blu-rays and dvds hit before capping this horse in the head. Long live Terminator!
Method Actor

Anyone notice the similarities between Terminator Salvation and Tropic Thunder? This is quite interesting: 1. A Black rapper. 2. A Director who can't control his cast. (Bale Rant) 3. An intense 'method actor' who has a history of controversy. (Bale) 4. An Australian actor in a supporting role. 5. A 'War' film. 6. One of the most expensive movies almost never made. 7. Defeated by a rival Ben Stiller movie. 8. Cockburn/McG 9. Les Grossman didn't need a key grip. He got Bill Murray to headbutt McG. p.s. Terminator Salvation was terrible.
Movie Fan

Agree with #14 Me and my family couldn't get through watching all of it...
DoomCanoe

#49 that was the stupidest shit i have read in a long time... thanks for that. Salvation was so much better then T3 that i honestly would like another Terminator. but i agree with most who say the story ended at 2
George

T4 was good, a lot of better than T3 who cares what the critics says?
George

Terminator: Salvation: It has enough pace and excitement to keep action fans switched on, This is Sam Worthington's movie, and he steals it, decent action film, far superior to the awful Terminator 3. Despite some laughably silly plot elements, McG has created an overall entertaining movie experience. Being a rabid fan that grew up on the franchise created by James Cameron, the idea of McG getting behind the camera for this sequel was slightly nauseating, and yet, by some miracle, the fourth film in the franchise is (barely) passable.
Blue & Orange NY

that's all BS, who ever is starting this idea that it won't move forward.....didnt the movie make $370......shit how many movie studios would like that total....was it a epic movie, but it was good.....and i'm curious to see where it goes with 5....first TSCC now this, they would nothing left lol here's a stupid or interesting question depending on each individual's point of view.....can JC take back the franchise? I don't know what happen or the rules with it but i was just wondering...plus would he want it?
MK

Terminator salvation wasn't that bad. I actually enjoy it. It wasn't perfect but it was much better than T3 and Arnold shwarzneger performance in it. Financially, it didn't achieve what the producers expected especially in the US. So, planning for a sequel might be a risky decision to make. However, as I said, the movie was entertaining and I hope that this franchise will continue hopefully using better writers and better directors.
Xerxex

Method Actor umm The rant is old news nobody cares anymore. Move on. And Bale always does his part.
Freddy

So far there's no one i know who disliked T4 , i don't understand where the "was so bad" comes from or the "no one wants to see a terminator movie" as everyone i've talked about it with loved the film at least in my country. While all i've heard about the so called Avatar is just "Meh" I mean from "real" people who are not into movie websites like this. I'm of course more than ready for a T5 and even a 6th one!
Xerxex

Freddy welcome to the bandwagon, man...everyone I've talked about the film loved everything about, as did I. The problem is Terminator 2 has been set on a pedestal as the best on the best of the best, so of course Salvation was going to be met with hostilities, but most of it is bandwagon hate. But McG brought us a solid Terminator flick, yes there were plot holes, what movie dosen't have any?
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2408/blackbabyjesus.gif Crapola

T4 was a good movie squashed with a lot of Transformers nonsense, Tranformers is rubbish, end of. I reckon part 5 will be decent, I don't care either way if it continues, but I definitely enjoyed part 4.
john

its funny how everyone is now like "yea i loved t4" but when the movie came out you all were like "stupid movie i hate it"
Rufus

I think they can do T5 and even T6 there alway be an audience for this genre. Lot of guys talk about "unlogical movie" and "stupid movie", who cares it's just fiction, it's ment to be that way.
Colca

I usually don't complain about the way Alex writes his articles, but I have to object to the line "It doesn't help that "no one" is really that interested in seeing more Terminator movies after Terminator Salvation was so bad" I really don't see how that opinion can be formed. It's done almost 400 million Worldwide, there are clearly a lot of people even just posting on this site that were satisfied with Salvation, and it's IMDb rating is a solid 7, which is higher than Wolverine, Transformers, GI Joe and Angels and Demons. Despite the flaws in those movies nobody really questions whether there are a lot of people out there that want sequels to it. I personally loved Salvation even despite some flaws. However my interest in a sequel has nothing to do with how good the most recent one was, it's solely based on where the story can go from here. The best stuff from the War is still to come so I say bring on the sequels.
shadow

Terminator Salvation was garbage, Christian Bales Conner was not in any way believable as a leader, they decided to turn him into a Neo/ the One type character which was horrid. The floating explanation given to Marcus at the end made no logical sense, WHY THE HELL WOULD SKYNET MONOLOGUE??? The action was worse than the 5 minute scene in the opening of 2 (with the exception of the truck vs. motorcyles scene, the best part of the film) Every decision skynet made was nonsensical and idiotic. Oh and it had one of the worst endings I have ever seen, with a groan inducing "the fight isn't over" voiceover at the end. At least Terminator 3 had a ballsy ending.
http://lanoverdrive.com Breach

I think in the end I would have loved more Terminator if Cameron was making them after T2, but that is not the case. Id rather the series die than allow "director of the week" to step in and keep making sub par entries to the franchise. Not to say I did not get some enjoyment out of T3 or T4, but T2 they were not. Like most I cant say I really care that much if I ever see T5 or not.
Xerxex

Shadow the ballsy ending wasn't that ballsy, it had to happen and it was expected in the end of it all.
Handtaschen

Hopefully not. T4 was bad and the series of Terminator not really interestant. Bring it to an end. Please.
Korm

I think the series should have ended after t2. T3 thew away the entire story about saving the future from skynet. It's complete garbage and negates the ENTIRE first two movies by saying "well, whoops, you can't actually change the future!"
Frank

Wrong. We DO want more Terminator, we just want two things: -- DON'T CHANGE AN BAD ASS ENDING [ie Connor's consciousness inserted into Marcus' terminator body then made to look like John Connor, therefore making the leader of the resistance into a machine]. -- Make Christian Bale quit using that constipated voice. I liked T3 and T4, but the inconsistancies piss me off [T3 said the future IS set]. TSCC, which I watched all off, was too much drama, and not enough badassery. Sarah Connor is not a concerned mommy, she's a bad ass war fighter. WAAAY too much crying in that show. Only good thing was Cameron.
zeedaddy

Ok all of you that are a part of MCG's crew stfu!! Terminator salvation was a watered down PG mad max wannabe for kids! It totally sold out the franchise by making it a PG and not R with tons of violence like the first Terminator movies! People expected a future war like saving private Ryan type action not some kids movie!
Aaron

I really liked T4. Especially after the terrible T3 they gave us. How was T4 a "bad" or "terrible" movie? Have these people not seen GI Joe? Ever watch Transformers or Fighting? Those movies were pure garbage. Whoever thinks Terminator is dead isn't too smart. 400 million dollars without DVD sales isn't terrible. Why not wait until the DVD sales are added? How can the company that owns the rights to the Terminator series be broke? What did they do with the profits? T4 was the first part of the future war. Everyone should have expected more of a serious movie. The whole world was nuked!!!! Machines are trying to kill the remaining humans!!! Do you think these people are going to have some Dave Chappelle sense of humor? They are scratching to stay alive for gods sake! We need: -More Bale being the leader of the human resistance(John Connor being John Connor) -Lazer weapons(Can't wait) -More connections to the older films(T4 did a good job, I think) -Noooooo going back in time!!!!!!!!! WTF??? I have waited to see the post Judgement Day war for ever. I do not want to go back to another "Chase" film!!!!! WTF??? -Explainations of the war
cat

@Aaron I agree with you on some points but who said anything about humor. No one wanted humor in this movie. Definitely don't want another going back in time movie. We want the future war. What would it take to convince Cameron to come back and show us the future war the right way? His 2 minutes of the future war at the beginning of T2 were better than anything from the 3rd or 4th movie.
the punisher

The First Terminator film will always be my favorite. T2 & T3 i thought were great sequels and of-course Terminator Salvation makes me want to see more how the future war turns out. Id say people over exaggerated about how bad the hated the film. Think about it people, this is only the beginning!, the early years of the war between SKYNET & Mankind. After the ending climax we saw the prototype T-800's get destroyed & its creation will be delayed. Plus we still have to see the laser weapons, more bigger machines seen in T1 & T2 flashbacks be developed etc. Think of it as the Star Wars prequel trilogy, its all about how it gets to the point where SKYNet will first attempt to kill Connor by sending the first terminator back in time.
DR DTX

James -"I've made my fortune -but continue to pump-out shit -financed by some of the most awesome genocidal monsters in the world --across the Pacific" Cameron's ---'latest'? --------hurl-----like WAY
Dominic

What I felt was an amazing story was a bit short!! The reason is the next movies need to touch on the progression of the tech and massive assembly of machines and the battle and strategic dynamics and human struggle and love and desperation . Something similar to whats happening in our world today as technology and outsourcing is destroying our live. I hope the next movies displays more robotic growth as did the TV show with Cameron and Sam worthington,It needs to touch on the tech more and display the power of ILM and the robots in battle and massive ones at that via transformers and this time PUT some 70mm Imax scenes in this one!!!!! Bring it home I want more Machines more T800 and Liquid metal bring back kristana Loken Please have some serious cypborge technology on display . People eat this stuff up !! if you dont believe me go to Fry's and look at the frenzy !!!
samwise7

Yeah, well I hear this goes on the block in feb 10. Maybe Summit or Sony (top runners) will get the rights. Rumor says they will start over. All contract have been disolved, Bale no longer has to be Connors. Next Movie prob in 12. While I'm glad there was a T4, I enjoyed the film, but thought it could have been better. Too many holes. I have considered why when Kile was #1 on the hit list, and they identified him twice, they didn't just take him out there. Several options are there, but consider Connors as Primary target when Kile is #1 and John #2 on the hit list. The Terminators have shown much emotion, when John is found they go after him with everything they have trying to kill. Now in Skynet, the Terminator has John Connors in his hands, and he's gonna toss him across the room? He's not gonna snap his neck like a chicken bone? Come on! And hand to hand combat between man and Terminator? Get real! The guy who punched Marcus that hard doesn't have a broken hand? Ok you get the picture. I think they hurried this one too much. Stop and think it through. If you have to make 20 movies to get all the info relayed to us, do them right! Terminator fan? Yeah! and there's a lot of other fans out there too! Want more? Yeah, and there's a lot of others who want more also. So enjoy the Holidays Terminator Fans, we believe there will be more Terminator! As for me, Get er Done (Right) and Bring er on!
the punisher

I hope whoever picks up the franchise doesnt restart it over. Id rather see them pick up where T4 left off and show us more battles of the future wars. From seeing laser guns that both the machines & resistance fighters use as seen in the first two films, and see more the big machines that roll as seen in the first two films, cant think of what they're called, last but not least id like to see Christian Bale & Anton Yelton's John Connor & Kyle Reese fight battles together if possible cause i hate to see good actors/actresses replaced. In response to Samwise7, Kyle was #1 on the list on Skynet's plan, not only because he will later become John's father, but the plan was for Marcus to capture Reese to lure Connor for a rescue attempt if Connor wasnt killed in previous attempts as seen in the film. it makes clear that Marcus was Skynet's idea to kill two birds w/ one stone. The T-800 we see is the first prototype and had no weapons, so it wouldnt make no differeance how he'd rough up Connor because if he directly punched Connor in the chest, movie would be over. Maybe the guy did break his hand and wouldnt feel it for hours. That being said from Lance Henrikinson's charactor in T1 when Sarah tells about the terminator punching thru the windshield while he thinks the terminator is just a man would the feel the pain later. Besides, the guy was a nobody in the film and no-one cares if someone goes thru pain after a fist fight, etc.. Anyways, if theres still a Terminator 5 & 6, i hope no time-traveling by the machines or humans, atleast not until near the very end of the franchise of when John does or does not send Reese to protect Sarah in 1984.
samwise7

In response of the punisher, yeah I know what you are saying skynet was using Marcus for, and Kile Reese, John Connors said, kill him , reset the future, no John Connors, But we see the Terminators failing at their missions. (Agree, so the movie doesn't end) . The cop when speaking of the fellow with the windshield, didn't he say something about the fellow being cranked up? I would like to hear your comment on both John Connors fighting together. How do we get the two time lines, or rather the charaters from both time lines to one place at the same time? Or do you think they should just switch back and forth, one to the other, each in their own time? I agree with the no time jumping, we've had enough of that in the series. And you raise another thought, will it really be the end if John does not send Kile back? I know Sarah said it would, but would it really? Remember Reese saying we won. So, if the paradox does not happen, that is the end of the machines. They have to cause the paradox to survive. John Connors comes to the knowledge they have sent Arnie back and he counteracts with Kile. Now think about this, Paradox is someone coming from the future to change history. So history is changed, not removed. If history is removed, it is no longer history. If it is changed, the original history still happened, it had to or there is no history to change, thus no Paradox. Yeah, I hope they dont' start over. pick up in the mountain at the end of three, let four be a dream, and start over from there. But remember, this John Connors was almost killed by Terminators in his youth. He knew about the chip in the head, remember the first of T4, he climbs out of the Helicopter and shoots the T in the head, why then did he shoot the remake of Arnie in the shoulder when he was in Skynet. He has been trained, and knows how to take out the Terminators. He had the Signal, (at that point he didn't know it was a trick, why not shut down Skynet with the signal? Too many holes in this thing. Cut out 4, restart from behind 3.
the punisher

@ samwise7 I think that cop did, id have to watch the movie again. I mentioned id like to see John Connor & Kyle Reese fight together, not two John Connors. Im not sure if it would be the end if Connor doesnt send Kyle. People think of different scenenios involving time travel and what would happen if you did something different. After the events of T1, id say things got developed earlier than planned due to the remains of the terminator being researched on. And people think everything should of been destroyed at Cyberdyne in T2 but people need to keep in mind that Miles Dyson wouldnt be the only one doin work on that chip, on Skynet etc. They always copies of their work somwhere and before the movie ended, both the terminator & T-1000 left evidence behind. As for time travel, could be anyone's guess. What i think is they wanna show us how they got there, to John deciding to Kyle or not after the T-800 goes back. I also think we might see John get killed after Kyle or whoever is sent as mentioned in T3 he gets killed. To me, sounds like the franchise will end in a loop because of T1's plothole of John already excisting and sending Kyle back to protect Sarah when he only knew of Sarah as a legend & the picture givin to him. John Connor knows how to take out terminators but at Skynet Central he only shot the terminator in the chest area, burning off its flesh. And about the signal, it was really only for Skynet to track down HQ of the resistance. Another thing was when John released the humans, Reese wasnt around the same cell as the others, he was being hidden and John's beeping device he had only lead him to where he thought Kyle was, instead was the T-800.
samwise7_7

Yeah the signal was that, but they tried the signal and it shut down the machines. John didn't know it was a trick. He should have tried that to get into skynet, they just wanted Marcus to be the Terminator for Salvation. Sigh, another plothole. In T1 that could not be a plothole, it was a have to case. What people need to realize is, T1 picks up in the alternate 1984, which in reality is 2028 for Kile Reese, just in the 1984 setting. As such, thus the alternate timeline in which Terminators are brought into exesistance sooner than in the original time line. Yeah there had to be an original time line for there to be a John Connors who originally sent back Kile Reese for one purpose and because of human nature he pulled another stunt and a different John Connors was born, one who now had a mother called Sarah Connors, and a different father (Kile Reese) rather than the original (unknown) father. So reguardless how many times this loop has transpired, yet there had to be a first somewhere, sometime! Thus an original time line. This is the bad thing about time travel. Had they being T1 in the original time line, then we would have seen who John's original dad was, yet in this Movie T1 that was not important. In T1 there are some things said that would lead you to believe John already knew that Kile was to be his dad, he gave him that picture after all. When kile came back while talking I think it was to Sarah, he spoke of John Connors rising from no where, to rally the troops against the machines. Taught by his mother how to fight. Yet there could be other scenenios to explain this. So they picked up the story in the alternate timeline, but we viewed it as in our present original timeline. And yeah the beeping device, he gave to Marcus, Marcus in Skynet headquarters programed it, so Skynet put on it what it wanted, thus John Connors didn't find Reese, but the T-800. But by Fate: not the one humans made, and not the one the machines made, but by Fate (unmade) just Fate, he found Kile Reese. There is no fate but what me make it? See? another plothole i guess rofl. Ah but I love it, talking Terminator, but enough for now. Your turn!
the punisher

@ samwise7_7 I still liked Terminator Salvation for what it was as a sequel. The first will always be my best and till this day im surprised most people like T2 more other than people i know. Arnold did a good job playin the bad guy in that film. I loved every shootout, and one sequence i never get tired of while watchin w/ friends is the terminator cutting open his arm & eye out and then putting on the shades. And at he climax, Reese pretty much never gave up protecting sarah. After being hit in the face by the terminator, you'd think he'd be out cold. Whats the name of those big machines that rolls like giant tanks in the flashbacks in both T1 & T2? I hope to see them, and laser guns get developed in a Terminator 5 if it gets made. I think that should be one of things to be shown as to see the war getting more intense. One thing i liked about T4 was the HK's looked more like they did in the first two films expect for the tail end. I loved the T-600's, they didnt get much screen time i thought. I was surprised and glad James cameron thought the movie was pretty good. I agreed with him that it could of had more emotion and maybe they should of made the movie longer. I dont like MCG's idea of sending machines to the past again, but did like the idea of maybe seeing Robert Patrick return as someone of importance who's appearance would be used for the T-1000. Not sure if that would pan out well. They could also maybe bring back Kristana Loken as someone within the resistance who maybe gets killed later on and her body seen used for the T-X. I feel the next two films should get little more darker than the previous film. What i mean is, what we saw in Sarah's dream in T1 of Reese & those people in the bunker starving, hiding for so long etc. Anyways, thats all i can think of for now. Hopfully they read these posts and job down notes of what they could use for future films.
samwise7

Yeah I would like to see a lot of that too. The only thing is with the Liquid Metal, when did they start making those guys? I thought it would have been after 2028. How old was John when T2 happened? 10 or 12? That would mean 2038 maybe not sure. I would like to see things happen after a realistic manner, like you know the gas was bad after all that time. they had to make some somehow. Show them taking some military facility for ammo. I think they should have let Kile Reese do something worthy to gain a resistance jacket. Perhaps infatrate a skynet weapons munition for the lazor guns. I agree with letting Kristana get taken out then her body used for the T.X. I really think they are gapping too much. Trying to cover too much time, and not covering the time well. Yeah T4 was pretty good, but left a lot to be desired. I did try to view it as a sequel, and that maybe the other two would fill in the gaps, but... Now we know the contracts of all T.S. had been liquidated. They have all moved on to other things. Summit or Sony whichever gets it is rumored to start over. I hope they mean from behind 2 or at most 3. Of coarse they could start a new story line. Terminator Cops. Going bad. Humans resisting and fighting back. There is so much they could do. I hope they keep the John Connors story line going and complete it, even if it is a full circle, or a mutual agreement between humans and machines, or even John's Children fighting the war to its' end of total victory over the machines. But now it is thought that next Terminator movie will be 2012, or maybe 2015. I do also like your idea of them scrounging for food and all, that is like realistic. You know their meds are limited. Guess it's like they said, most of them were killed at the beginning or onset of the war, while some of the unlucky ones were alive to face the aftermath.
the punisher

@ samwise 7 About the liquid metal, this is what i read from numerous site on what James Cameron and crew explained. After Reese was sent back in time, they were about ready to dismantle the time displacement equipment till John noticed liquid metal residue tracks and learned Skynet also in desperation created the T-1000. The resistance was was near to victory already that Skynet was hesitant at first about sending back a liquid metal terminator cause it would only be a prototype and there was a chance it wouldnt obey its orders but with the resistance near to victory Skynet took its chances and sent the T-1000 anyways. After that John finds out what was sent back in time and finds a cold storage room of un-activated T-800's so this time John would send back a terminator to protect himself from a greater threat. People even asked why send back the same model of arnold from T1 due to the events and murders caused by the last one in the first film. It was explained reason why John would send back a T-800 would be because, besides the T-1000 it was the latest terminator capable of the task at hand at the time. Plus he figure Sarah or younger self would reconginize the terminator and know Skynet is after them again. In T2 John was 10 but in T3 its mentioned he was 13 because filmakers of T3 thought he was too young during the events of T2 and Edward Furlong really was 13 when T2 was being made. My opinion was better for him to be 13 because of the things he did in T2 would be something a 10 yr old wouldnt know like the way he was getting that key outta vault at Cyberdyne Systems or ride a dirt bike thru heavy traffic in a city. T4 is considered as a sequel, prequel, reboot really. From T4 to the planned T5 & T6 are intended to show how things got to the point where Skynet sends the T-800 and Reese is sent. What people wonder about is would John reconsider sending Reese to the past to 1984 to protect Sarah and risk himself not excisting or sending someone else. To me, i bet it would come down to both the T-800 and Reese being sent. Maybe a idea for the last movie is Skynet wanting to send back a more advance terminator instead of the T-800 but things go wrong and sends the T-800 instead etc. Im glad you like my idea of humans scrounging for food. Like meds, food and all being more limited but they kinda shown us that little bit in T4 if you remember the gas station scene when one mentions they only have enough to get thru the winter season. I just hope they continue on from T4 and carefully watch and take notes from flashback from T1 and T2 to get more emotion into the films etc. Ideas i thought for Terminator 5 would be Humans still being held by Skynet and building more of the big machines as seen in T1 and T2, aswell as the machines developing the laser weapons and the resistance must obtain the same technology. To me, Robert Patrick could be one scientist that was forced to develope the weapons being made. And of-course bring back Kristanna Loken in a role where shes human becomes part of the resistance and be killed off sometime during T6. And mostly my idea for T6 would be focused on the time displacement equipment, and john makin that decision whether to send Reese or not.
anonymous

Term Salvation was good movie. The action and more importantly the story were great. You can't really compare "the sarah conor chronicles" to the movies. The tv series is just a new/different take of the original ideas and stories from the series. The tv series doesn't necesarily have to follow the movies to a "T." More importantly why do so many people waste so much time criticizing. Some people like the ones that you don't and probably dislike the ones that you do like. So who cares if you don't like the terminator movies/series, try watching what you do like so the rest of us don't have to hear you complain.
Jake

You guys are ridiculous about the fact that the story has shot in several directions. T2 and T3 made it that way. They changed the date of Judgement day and so it changed how the future was going to be. So Stfu about the story. Honestly, I really enjoyed the movie. Tons of action, and plenty of good special effects. I have been waiting since I was a little kid watching these movies to see the future. Not just in the beginning of T2 when Sarah Conner is explaining that her son via John Conner, would be man kinds leader in the fight against Skynet. I have one question though. How did the founder of Cyberdyne get her conscience into skynet before it was first launched? Ya know. Like was she the reason it became self aware?
the punisher

@ Jake Im one of those people who liked Terminator Salvation. While the first film will always be my favorite, i enjoyed all they sequels even Terminator Salvation. I thought the director's cut was little better, mostly because John mentions to people how Sarah was locked away and her warnings went ignored etc. I like Bale as John Connor and was impressed by Sam Worthington's performance as Marcus and Anton Yelchen's young Kyle Reese role. The action was great for the chase scene with the motor-terminators and some of the cgi for the terminators, including arnold was pretty good. Another thing that amazed me was seeing people rounded up at skynet central, being watched by t-600's etc. i thought it had little darkness as seen from the flashbacks from the original but not quite as dark still. They can still make time for all that to be seen as to what we seen in those flashbacks. they just need to be done right. MCG must of done somthin right if James Cameron mentioned he enjoyed it more than he thought he would. He mention what it could use was more emotion etc. I enjoyed how they had You Could Be Mine by Gun N's Rose's song in the film just as they did in Terminator 2. In response to your question about did the founder of Cyberdyne ger her consience into skynet before it was first launched? Well in my opinion, her conscience never was put into skynet before it became self-aware. When we see Marcus wake up at skney central, its skynet who he talks to and mentions Dr. Serena Kogans dead and skynet tells him that her face would be most familiar one for him to know. I forget the exact words mentioned in the scene but skynet tells Marcus it can be others if he wish. Its when skynet changes its face from John's face, Reese's, back to Serena's.
Samwise7

@ punisher (82) In T2 the T1000 was sent from the future of a different time line. I know a lot of folks might get confused in that, but you got to remember, Paradox = history changed, not removed. The history that was changed is still history, it still happened. Kile and Sarah created another time line. That timeline started in 2028 set in the 1984 setting. When kile came through time, he was displaced in 1984, but every min. he spent in 1984 was another min. of his life and although he was in 1984, it was still another min. of 2028 to him. Perhaps in that timeline, John found the tracks of the T-1000. Its about like on the tape where Sarah said something like Ah! a person could go crazy thinking about this lol. But we see a lot of options for the T fran. @ anonymous (83) Ah! dude, don't you know real Terminator fans have the right to bellyache about things of the Terminator? And yeah, it's bellyache to T fans, Complaining is for wimps. When Terminator fans are bellyachin, it's not that they don't like the film, it's just the film is not up to Terminator standards. And we don't need no johnny come lately tellin us how to be T fans. So if you don't want to hear our bellyachin, just go watch the films you want to watch and be like the Wimps, Wimps are not hard to please, Real Terminatory fans don't just swollar anything that goes into the line. @ Jake (84) you say T3 and T4 changed things, but you didn't mention the start of the changing of things, T1. The remains of the Terminator introduced in T1 jump started things for the machines. Did you not hear what Miles Dyson said in T2 about the ideas they got from the arm and chip part? how radically advanced it was? Do you deny this fact? Or did you overlook that? Now I'm glad to hear you are a Terminator fan, and that you would like to see what we all would like to see, and I guess we are all saying the same thing, we just want it done right. Now in answer to your question, I think like the punisher (85) that you have Sarah mixed up with the good Doctor Serena. She is the one Marcus kissed before signing the papers for them to experiment on his body. She worked for Syberdyne but was taken out by Cancer. It was her that was talking to Marcus at Skynet in T4. I think they must to have done that before Syberdyne was sold to the Air Force. And like punisher(85) I liked all the T films. And I thought Sam played the part of Marcus rather well. I was not however impressed with Bale as Connors. I did like T4 as a sequel to T5 and T6. Even though they prob wanted to make a proto type out of Kile Reese for whatever reason, maybe when John sent him back to protect his mother his programing would kick in and he would kill her from the machines stand point (remember they had him strapped to a table?) still it was really unreal how they kept him alive when they could have instantly killed him. Remember how they wanted to do Sarah in T1? The first two Sarah Connors showed what happened when the Terminator was after them. Here a Terminator had Kile Reese identified, picked him up, and let him live. And the computer generated make of ah can we call him Arnie? Well he had his hands on John Connors and he throws him away from himself? In T4 we have humans doing hand to hand combat with Terminators. We have a big big hole between T3 and T4. And we have John dropping into a big big ocean, Headquarters was not giving up their location. Connors had no frogman gear. Took a big big chance. You know how fast that coper was flying? How fast that tub was moving? Sigh, on and on I could go, but I think punisher said it in his (85) post, it just needs to be done right. OK one last one. At the first when the coper sat down, Connors shoots the Terminator in the head. But when Arnie bursts down the door in Skynet, Connors shoots him in the shoulder? Trained about the chip in T3. He shoots in the shoulder? Did that door knock him that silly? Shoots in the shoulder? I hope Summit or Sony gets the rights and does it right. I'm glad it won't be a second rate company doing it next.
the punisher

@ samwise7 What was said was all that i read from a book from a friend of mine based on details on the making of T2. Anyways id think it would be better if Robert Patrick had a role as a scientist that instead of studying stem cells like MCG is planning etc. why not have him be the one who developes the laser guns that skynet somehow obtains and holds him for mass production on small and large amounts of machines to use and he supplies the resistance after being rescued and possibly killed off for his human structure to be kept for the T-1000 model. And of-course re-introduce Kristanna Loken as one of the few new resistance fighters who would could lose her life in the next film. It would be great to have arnold's two baddies be shown as humans fighting against the machines. What ideas do you have?
samwise7

@ punisher Sorry to take so long. My puter did a # on me lol. I thought it posted my reply to you. Ok we'll try er again. First your ideas are fine. Although one of them could be a Doctor who helps the resistance overcome a virus the machines put out to eleminate the human race by disease. I would like to see a lot of the Terminators chasing John Connors trying to destroy him. One scene I think would be funny would be to let Arnie, computer generated or other, be chasing Connors. John is about to get on a helicoper. Arnie knows he's about to get away again, grrr and scans the area to see what he can do. He finds a cable buried in the dirt, and in his mind envisions pulling the cable from the ground and using it as a whip to cut down John. So he grabs the cable and yanks, but it refuses to budge. Arnie shortens up on his grip and pulls again with not results. He sees that John is about to reach the helicoper and excape so he grabs with both hands a puts everything he has into the pull. The cable suddenly loosens and Anrie's fist hits himself in the jaw knocking him silly. lol. By the time he regains his senses, John has escaped and all he can see is a small spot in the distance. Now let Arnie show his emotion and have a raging fit. Another scene I think would be kewl would be let the T-1000 come out of the urnal with the liquid dripping from his nose rofl. Start at the end of T2 where Arnie is about to drop into the firey pot, and have Cameron appear. She tells him there are other Terminators around that Skynet has sent back after John and they need to work together to protect the lad, and his mother. Let one of the resistance have a flashback to highlight the hardships of the resistance and how they barely survived through fighting the elements as well as the machines for survival. Show how things progressed from the mountain at the end of T3 to the leadership of the resistance being in the sub from T4. I think they need to fill in the gaps, and the plotholes. The director's cut filled in several, but there is so much yet needed. I am big on a good story. But if in the story, you take someone from Fourth street and put them on Maple Ave, there needs to be a way for that to be done, and you need to tell it in the story. There has to be a way for it to happen. Take like Spiderman. He's fighting the GG. The GG is in the burning building. Spidey goes and rescues a child. On his way out, he gets to a place where he's holding on with one hand and lifts the child up past the broken floor. The child turns and holds out it's hand and helps spiderman climb up to safety. Now that's unreal in the storyline. I thought that took away from the story. No way a mere child is going to pull up a grown man rofl. Let Spiderman shoot out his web and grab a beam or something and pull himself up, he's trying to save the kid lol. Now back to the Terminator. Let the humans fight the Terminators. John cut his eye teeth on Terminator activity and knows them. He knows about the chip he knows how to defeat them, not in hand to hand combat, but in using the knowledge he has about them. In T4 there was too much hand to hand combat. When John shot CG Arnie, did he shoot for the chip? Oh but that would have been the end of the movie huh lol. But then, that would have made room for so much more lol. They had some pretty good ideas and story for T4, they just didn't bring it to pass. With T5, and I think they (Sony) will fix it and do things right, (Summit) may just start over or pick up where it left off and will prob do a pretty good job of the next T movie. Well have to wait until it's sold in Feb to find out who gets it. A lot of ideas are floating around in my head about things to do in the movies, but I don't think they will let you write a book on here so better close it out for now. So until next time, may you evade the Terminators heheh.
the punisher

@ samwise7 If they got a great director, would you go for a Robocop vs. The Terminator film? I just had to ask because im a fan of both franchises and loved the first Robocop film. Not to mention the robots Robocop faced in the film like ED-209 & Robocop 2. Lol but he did kinda fought a terminator or should say android in Robocop 3. Maybe just pretend its arnold with a ninja sword in his hand instead you know,lol. Id like to see the big machines get built. Maybe have the film show human slaves in more camps building terminators, HK'S and those big machines that roll. If Sony does aquire the rights the franchise i hope they follow on from T4's events and dig deeper into what James cameron shown us thru flashbacks of his films. As for Spider-man, im disappointed that Sony would cancel the fourth film and rush to reboot the franchise. Vulture wouldnt be my first pick for a villain but im sure theres plenty of ways to make him interesting on film. Its not like Raimi would have a old fart casted for the role. Im big on thier new choices of Spider-man in the reboot, or spidey being back in high school again dealing with peer pressure, love, being bullied,etc. So far every reboot ive seen offered nothin new really and not spidey isnt the only reboot im skipping out on, Nightmare on elm street aswell. Sorry for my personal rambling there, it just seems like hollywood isnt tryin hard anymore. Or maybe fans expect too much, who knows. Its a matter of time till the Terminator franchise falls victim to being rebooted. OK, your turn!
the punisher

I meant to say im not big on their choices on who should play spider-man.
Samwise7

@ the punisher Ok I will try to nutshell this. The original time line, from when Sarah meets John's original dad to where the resistance is fighting skynet. about 2 hours of war against the machines. To the point where they storm the time displacement complexe. Send Kile Reese back. Let John save the data from the computers so he can read. while reading he gains data about what's happening back in 1984. Sees Arnie get crushed. sees the machines get extrememly angry. End of T5. (Note: Sarah is still alive but no one realized who she is except John.) T6. John is checking data of Machines and finds data that they sent back another make of Arnie to take out Sarah's father in 1961, so she can't be born. The machines done that after Arnie was smashed by Sarah in that press in T1, and verified in T5. Sarah's dad is a Steel articifer and has a new generator that will put off over 1600 volts, which just arrived weeks before and he has now hooked up. He takes out Arnie with a steel ball that he has on a crane. It knocks loose Arnies head which comes off as it did in T3. With his torch he take Arnie apart, but leave his head so he can talk and hides the body in a wooden bin below the head. The arms and legs are off so he can talk but can't do any damage. John Connors (Sarah's dad) gains much knowledge from Arnie. Then a T1000 appears. His mission, Kill John Connors so Sarah can't be born, so the John Connors that defeats them(the grandson) can't be born. The high voltage knocks the T1000 out for a short period of time. Grandpa John Connors uses instructions from Arnie to use the cutting torch and cut a hole in the T1000 while he's out and put in a live wire. As he reboots hits him with over 1600 volts and he begins shaking and black holes start appearing all over his body as all his componets blow out. Telling his wife, they must hide all this or everyone will think they are nuts, he cuts up the T1000 with the cutting torch, and cuts up arnie, and buries them both beside each other. The Grandson John Connors goes to dig up the bodies, but only finds the body of Arnie. Through much study and research, John figures out the T1000 came from a different timeline. End of T6. T7. Shall I continue? T7 follows the story of T4, and that timeline, except it begins at the end of T2 where Arnie is about to be lowered into the firey pit, and Cameron comes on the scene to let him know there are other Terminators around, and he and she need to work together to protect the lad and his mother. It would hold some scenes i mentioned in my last post. The options in this one are really unlimited. I would have it end with Sarah faking her death, then dropping off the face of the earth not to be heard of again until Judgement Day. And John disappearing to go to live off the grid. These things they do for protection to hide from the machines. More? Ok T8. picks up the battle from where T4 left off. Here is where your ideas about The T1000 and the Tx could be used. A lot could be done, but yeah we need to see the lasers designed and used. Perhaps even bring this to the second sending back of Kyle. (original John Connors is still collecting data from the computer data banks and notes what is happening in the second timeline where events are speedily catching up to the original timeline) More? Ok T9 The original John Connors and his brilliant scientist sidekick whom he's been explaining the data he's reading too, begin to work out this web. They realize that with the second sending back of Kyle Reese, They once again started a new paridox. They come to the conclusion, the machines want to keep the paridox going so they can survive. Without the paridox, the machines are defeated and fade. The humans survive and carry on, so.... John askes how can we take all this out? His friend says, a new machine that will turn time backwards. John says but that's too much like playing God. We can only do that as a last resort. His friend agrees, but says they need to work on the machine so they will have it. They discuss the backwards time machine- when you set the machine in motion and time begins traveling backwards, the machine will only be good after it has been built. The scientist says he will put in a time loop so the machine can travel backwards through time past it's origin date. If we do this who will stop the machine or it will always go backward in time erasing everything. His friend says the time loops will carry the machine and those in the presence of the machine. So we can travel back with it and stop it? John wondered. Yes and as it goes backward, it will erase all the extra time lines and every paridox. We can also go back and stop skynet from ever becoming self aware, or ever attacking mankind. John wants to know if they can jump timelines. His friend tells him the danger of that is coming to a place where you can never get back. We don't want that. Suddenly the scene switches to the machines. They are vividly mad about Sarah pressing Arnie, Grandpa John Connors activities, and they take it out on the original Sarah Connors. They send a message to her that John wants to see her. She grabs her guns, and rushes to her son. On the way she is surrounded by 17 Arnies. They have a mission to eleminate Sarah Connors. She has her gun and blasts several of the Terminators into the junk pile. But in the end they are too many for her. But she goes out fighting, and puts down 13 of the Terminators. (can't you just see this battle?) John finds her, and the resistance takes down the rest of the Terminators. To be continued! T10. John Connors, son of Reese, sends Kyle back and moves forward in time still fighting the machines. Shows more of the war. Right on up to the time when Arnie kills John Connors. Points the gun at John Connors who is withering on the ground and says, John Connors you are Terminated! Bam and his chest explodes. The blood issues forth and Kate screams and runs to the fallen hero. Ole Arnie goes into standby mode, and suddenly we see the real John Connors point a gun at the head of ole Arnie and say, Wrong, Bam you are Terminated, Terminator! Kate looks from the one she is hugging to John and he tells her that one is a clone made for just this purpose so he could live past the date Arnie in T3 gave as his last day on earth. We know what Kate does with Arnie now heheh. Back to the original John Connors. They are going to time jump to the alternate time line. All the resistance from the original Timeline, and so they transport, and the original John Connors and his resistance join the Kyle Reese's son John Connors (I know this is pretty wild, but I know where I'm going with it) and his resistance. John 1 tells John 2 that the machine have set up a base on the moon, and we need to go there and fight them. John 2 finds it hard to believe, but as the fight begins, big silver Terminators with advanced weapons fire electrodes which completely destorys what it touches. It takes everything the Resistance has to take down even one of these babies, so they transport to the moon to fight there. In this war both the machines and the humans realize they are going to destroy each other, so they come to an agreement. a compromise where both can survive, and tolerate each other. John 1 and his resistance fighters transport back to their timeline. this is a universe where the machines have been defeated completely and no longer exist. John 2 and the machines in that timeline co exist. More? Ok T 11. in the world of John 2, the machines do the dangerous jobs for the humans. Thus they have the duty of policemen. Thus your idea of Termicop rofl. Robocop. Terminators, Robots, who are policemen. (Bad Cops) Corrupt chips and they begin killing humans who resist them. So in L.A. the terminator cops vs the human resistance in another thrilling Terminator movie. More? Ok T 12 Double Cross. The machines double cross the humans and break their agreement and once again try to take out the human race. Would have done so but for the original John Connors. The machines have destroyed all humans in their timeline, and are transporting to the other timelines to eleminate all humans. it gets down to where only the original John Connors and his sidekick scientist remain. All else are dead. John's friend say, one more wave of machines comes and we are done for. They go to the reverse time machine, and another wave of Terminators come. Click, and time begins to go in reverse. John and the scientist watch things come and go and go and come until all the timelines are taken out. Back to the first time John sent Kile back. Back to the original Judgement day. Back to a time before Skynet was programed. Click, that should do it. Now we must find a way to stop the programming of Skynet. Well we know that if they stop Skynet from being programed, there will be no Terminator, and there would be a lot of unhappy fans. @ Alex Billington You have the gall to ask will there be a Terminator 5, but that could be excused, then you ask does anyone care. We know you wrote that for the pay, but we write these things from our pleasure. If you read the things we write in response to your article, surely you would not be so dense as to pose such a question in the future.
samwise7

@ the punisher Ok I will try to nutshell this. The original time line, from when Sarah meets John's original dad to where the resistance is fighting skynet. about 2 hours of war against the machines. To the point where they storm the time displacement complexe. Send Kile Reese back. Let John save the data from the computers so he can read. while reading he gains data about what's happening back in 1984. Sees Arnie get crushed. sees the machines get extrememly angry. End of T5. (Note: Sarah is still alive but no one realized who she is except John.) T6. John is checking data of Machines and finds data that they sent back another make of Arnie to take out Sarah's father in 1961, so she can't be born. The machines done that after Arnie was smashed by Sarah in that press in T1, and verified in T5. Sarah's dad is a Steel articifer and has a new generator that will put off over 1600 volts, which just arrived weeks before and he has now hooked up. He takes out Arnie with a steel ball that he has on a crane. It knocks loose Arnies head which comes off as it did in T3. With his torch he take Arnie apart, but leave his head so he can talk and hides the body in a wooden bin below the head. The arms and legs are off so he can talk but can't do any damage. John Connors (Sarah's dad) gains much knowledge from Arnie. Then a T1000 appears. His mission, Kill John Connors so Sarah can't be born, so the John Connors that defeats them(the grandson) can't be born. The high voltage knocks the T1000 out for a short period of time. Grandpa John Connors uses instructions from Arnie to use the cutting torch and cut a hole in the T1000 while he's out and put in a live wire. As he reboots hits him with over 1600 volts and he begins shaking and black holes start appearing all over his body as all his componets blow out. Telling his wife, they must hide all this or everyone will think they are nuts, he cuts up the T1000 with the cutting torch, and cuts up arnie, and buries them both beside each other. The Grandson John Connors goes to dig up the bodies, but only finds the body of Arnie. Through much study and research, John figures out the T1000 came from a different timeline. End of T6. T7. Shall I continue?
samwise7

T7 follows the storyline of T4, and that timeline, except it begins at the end of T2 where Arnie is about to be lowered into the firey pit, and Cameron comes on the scene to let him know there are other Terminators around, and he and she need to work together to protect the lad and his mother. It would hold some scenes i mentioned in my last post. The options in this one are really unlimited. I would have it end with Sarah faking her death, then dropping off the face of the earth not to be heard of again until Judgement Day. And John disappearing to go to live off the grid. These things they do for protection to hide from the machines. More? Ok T8. picks up the battle from where T4 left off. Here is where your ideas about The T1000 and the Tx could be used. A lot could be done, but yeah we need to see the lasers designed and used. Perhaps even bring this to the second sending back of Kyle. (original John Connors is still collecting data from the computer data banks and notes what is happening in the second timeline where events are speedily catching up to the original timeline) More? Ok T9 The original John Connors and his brilliant scientist sidekick whom he's been explaining the data he's reading too, begin to work out this web. They realize that with the second sending back of Kyle Reese, They once again started a new paridox. They come to the conclusion, the machines want to keep the paridox going so they can survive. Without the paridox, the machines are defeated and fade. The humans survive and carry on, so.... John askes how can we take all this out? His friend says, a new machine that will turn time backwards. John says but that's too much like playing God. We can only do that as a last resort. His friend agrees, but says they need to work on the machine so they will have it. They discuss the backwards time machine- when you set the machine in motion and time begins traveling backwards, the machine will only be good after it has been built. The scientist says he will put in a time loop so the machine can travel backwards through time past it's origin date. If we do this who will stop the machine or it will always go backward in time erasing everything. His friend says the time loops will carry the machine and those in the presence of the machine. So we can travel back with it and stop it? John wondered. Yes and as it goes backward, it will erase all the extra time lines and every paridox. We can also go back and stop skynet from ever becoming self aware, or ever attacking mankind. John wants to know if they can jump timelines. His friend tells him the danger of that is coming to a place where you can never get back. We don't want that. Suddenly the scene switches to the machines. They are vividly mad about Sarah pressing Arnie, Grandpa John Connors activities, and they take it out on the original Sarah Connors. They send a message to her that John wants to see her. She grabs her guns, and rushes to her son. On the way she is surrounded by 17 Arnies. They have a mission to eleminate Sarah Connors. She has her gun and blasts several of the Terminators into the junk pile. But in the end they are too many for her. But she goes out fighting, and puts down 13 of the Terminators. (can't you just see this battle?) John finds her, and the resistance takes down the rest of the Terminators. To be continued!
samwise7

T10. John Connors, son of Reese, sends Kyle back and moves forward in time still fighting the machines. Shows more of the war. Right on up to the time when Arnie kills John Connors. Points the gun at John Connors who is withering on the ground and says, John Connors you are Terminated! Bam and his chest explodes. The blood issues forth and Kate screams and runs to the fallen hero. Ole Arnie goes into standby mode, and suddenly we see the real John Connors point a gun at the head of ole Arnie and say, Wrong, Bam you are Terminated, Terminator! Kate looks from the one she is hugging to John and he tells her that one is a clone made for just this purpose so he could live past the date Arnie in T3 gave as his last day on earth. We know what Kate does with Arnie now heheh. Back to the original John Connors. They are going to time jump to the alternate time line. All the resistance from the original Timeline, and so they transport, and the original John Connors and his resistance join the Kyle Reese's son John Connors (I know this is pretty wild, but I know where I'm going with it) and his resistance. John 1 tells John 2 that the machine have set up a base on the moon, and we need to go there and fight them. John 2 finds it hard to believe, but as the fight begins, big silver Terminators with advanced weapons fire electrodes which completely destorys what it touches. It takes everything the Resistance has to take down even one of these babies, so they transport to the moon to fight there. In this war both the machines and the humans realize they are going to destroy each other, so they come to an agreement. a compromise where both can survive, and tolerate each other. John 1 and his resistance fighters transport back to their timeline. this is a universe where the machines have been defeated completely and no longer exist. John 2 and the machines in that timeline co exist. More? Ok T 11. in the world of John 2, the machines do the dangerous jobs for the humans. Thus they have the duty of policemen. Thus your idea of Termicop rofl. Robocop. Terminators, Robots, who are policemen. (Bad Cops) Corrupt chips and they begin killing humans who resist them. So in L.A. the terminator cops vs the human resistance in another thrilling Terminator movie. More? Ok T 12 Double Cross. The machines double cross the humans and break their agreement and once again try to take out the human race. Would have done so but for the original John Connors. The machines have destroyed all humans in their timeline, and are transporting to the other timelines to eleminate all humans. it gets down to where only the original John Connors and his sidekick scientist remain. All else are dead. John's friend say, one more wave of machines comes and we are done for. They go to the reverse time machine, and another wave of Terminators come. Click, and time begins to go in reverse. John and the scientist watch things come and go and go and come until all the timelines are taken out. Back to the first time John sent Kile back. Back to the original Judgement day. Back to a time before Skynet was programed. Click, that should do it. Now we must find a way to stop the programming of Skynet. Well we know that if they stop Skynet from being programed, there will be no Terminator, and there would be a lot of unhappy fans. @ Alex Billington You have the gall to ask will there be a Terminator 5, but that could be excused, except then you ask does anyone care. We know you wrote that for the pay, but we write these things from our pleasure. If you read the things we write in response to your article, surely you would not be so dense as to pose such a question in the future.
samwise7

T10. John Connors, son of Reese, sends Kyle back and moves forward in time still fighting the machines. Shows more of the war. Right on up to the time when Arnie kills John Connors. Points the gun at John Connors who is withering on the ground and says, John Connors you are Terminated! Bam and his chest explodes. The blood issues forth and Kate screams and runs to the fallen hero. Ole Arnie goes into standby mode, and suddenly we see the real John Connors point a gun at the head of ole Arnie and say, Wrong, Bam you are Terminated, Terminator! Kate looks from the one she is hugging to John and he tells her that one is a clone made for just this purpose so he could live past the date Arnie in T3 gave as his last day on earth. We know what Kate does with Arnie now heheh. Back to the original John Connors. They are going to time jump to the alternate time line. All the resistance from the original Timeline, and so they transport, and the original John Connors and his resistance join the Kyle Reese's son John Connors (I know this is pretty wild, but I know where I'm going with it) and his resistance. John 1 tells John 2 that the machine have set up a base on the moon, and we need to go there and fight them. John 2 finds it hard to believe, but as the fight begins, big silver Terminators with advanced weapons fire electrodes which completely destorys what it touches. It takes everything the Resistance has to take down even one of these babies, so they transport to the moon to fight there. In this war both the machines and the humans realize they are going to destroy each other, so they come to an agreement. a compromise where both can survive, and tolerate each other. John 1 and his resistance fighters transport back to their timeline. this is a universe where the machines have been defeated completely and no longer exist. John 2 and the machines in that timeline co exist. More? Ok T 11. in the world of John 2, the machines do the dangerous jobs for the humans. Thus they have the duty of policemen. Thus your idea of Termicop rofl. Robocop. Terminators, Robots, who are policemen. (Bad Cops) Corrupt chips and they begin killing humans who resist them. So in L.A. the terminator cops vs the human resistance in another thrilling Terminator movie. More? Ok T 12 Double Cross.
samwise7

More? Ok T 12 Double Cross. The machines double cross the humans and break their agreement and once again try to take out the human race. Would have done so but for the original John Connors. The machines have destroyed all humans in their timeline, and are transporting to the other timelines to eleminate all humans. it gets down to where only the original John Connors and his sidekick scientist remain. All else are dead. John's friend say, one more wave of machines comes and we are done for. They go to the reverse time machine, and another wave of Terminators come. Click, and time begins to go in reverse.
samwise7

John and the scientist watch things come and go and go and come until all the timelines are taken out. Back to the first time John sent Kile back. Back to the original Judgement day. Back to a time before Skynet was programed. Click, that should do it. Now we must find a way to stop the programming of Skynet. Well we know that if they stop Skynet from being programed, there will be no Terminator, and there would be a lot of unhappy fans.