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Matthew Vaughn Thinks Superhero Movies Will Die Out Soon?

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August 8, 2010
Source: Hero Complex

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They will? Okay, maybe not soon, but sometime in the near future, or so he claims. Geoff Boucher of Hero Complex recently published an article with new quotes from director Matthew Vaughn, who is currently hard at work on pre-production for X-Men: First Class, due out next summer. Vaughn said some rather interesting things about the inevitable (right?) decline of the comic book/superhero movie genre: "It's been mined to death and in some cases the quality control is not what it's supposed to be," Vaughn said. "People are just going to get bored of it." That may actually be true, but how soon will we actually see that happen?

Before we get further into this, I think big trends in Hollywood have previously changed over different eras. It's hard to say that big changes always come with every decade, but we can clearly see the different kind of movies that were successful and popular from decades like the 80s and 90s. However, I think we may have reached a point where comic book movies, and movies of any genre, can still be successful no matter what, as long as they're great movies. And maybe that's his point - the quality of some of the crap out there (e.g. X-Men: The Last Stand, The Spirit, Jonah Hex) is causing people to lose their interest in superhero movies.

In fact, this concern is exactly why Vaughn decided to jump on to X-Men: First Class while he still could. "I've always wanted to do a big-budget superhero film and I think we've kind of crossed the Rubicon with superhero films," Vaughn said. "I think [the opportunity to do one], it's only going to be there two or three more times." I would've loved to ask him what he thinks are the superhero movies that can be considered the pinnacle so far that have put us passed this "Rubicon." Obviously The Dark Knight is up there, but what else? Are there other superhero movies released recently, besides TDK, that you guys believe will never be topped and will define the genre forever? Or is it just that our focus is shifting to other stuff (e.g. Avatar)?

On thing Vaughn believes is that "it's too crowded." And after this forthcoming barrage of superhero movies, "the genre is going to be dead for a while because the audience has just been pummeled too much." At first I kind of feel like he is making a good point as that is a valid concern. But at the same time, I'm so damn excited for so much coming up, it's hard to agree with him. I mean, next summer alone we have Thor, Priest, X-Men: First Class, Green Lantern, Captain America and Cowboys and Aliens. And all of those (from what I've seen) look fantastic so far. Not to mention The Avengers and Batman 3 and Justice League beyond that.

Then again, with original concepts like District 9, Avatar, Inception and Sucker Punch, maybe the interest of moviegoers is shifting towards other stuff that isn't a comic book adaptation, but is still awesome "genre" stuff. I really don't know, I can't say I'm on Vaughn's side because I'm personally still excited for every last comic book movie coming up in the next three years. And with The Avengers on the way as well, if that is not only a success but also as awesome as we're all hoping, I think that's only going to bust open the doors to the comic book world like we've really never seen before, paving the way for Justice League and beyond.

It's an exciting time ahead for the comic book and superhero movie genre, or so I believe, and Vaughn is just being a little too pessimistic. Maybe he's still stung over the mediocre box office of Kick-Ass, a movie which I loved and should've been more successful. I'm curious to hear what you guys think about Vaughn's quotes. So does he make a good point? Are you tired of superhero movies yet? How much longer will they last?

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  • Chris H.
    Hopefully he doesn't take the same apathetic approach to the X-Men movie. He shouldn't be directing a super hero movie if he thinks it's a dieing fad. He better make one awesome movie.
  • ryderup
    We will see more superhero flops than before I'm guessing. Green Lantern and Thor maybe.
  • http://www.bradbode.com Brad
    Like any other genre comic book adaptations will have their peak then taper off. The days of mining the dregs of comics for the next big hit will be over, but not the big budget Marvel movies. There are actually companies in Hollywood started with the sole purpose of buying the rights to comics and turning them into movies (Akin to flipping a home in the housing boom). The boom is peaking and, like housing, the bottom will drop out for the majority of players. Once everything settles down comics will end up being just another genre to be tapped. The end result... Right now Hollywood is tapping comic books for high concept and unusual stories. Comics have really helped open up room for concepts that extend beyond the norm. You can now tell stories involving a space midget who grew up in a black hole and came to earth to avenge the death of his daughter. (Not really, but you get the point). Visualization is one other take away from the emergence of comics. Executives feel much better when they can see what a movie will look like EVEN IF the film turns out nothing like it. Really. It's like using lube. It'll get it started, but it's up to you to finish. As a result you are much better off pitching a movie with a comic book hand out, even if you just got an artist friend to do it. Make it look like you expect the film to look. It won't hurt. Just my two cents.
  • Quad
    I think Vaughn talks about the inevitability of superhero movies. Although I don't really agree with this timeframe, I think his point about overexposure is valid. I also think he could have taken into account that for every crappy comic movie adaptation, there's a good one to combat it. When there was Batman & Robin - existed Blade When Daredevil came out, X2 was released to offset Catwoman - Spider-man 2 Elektra - Batman Begins So long as a good film representing comics is made, the crappy ones get washed away. But let's be honest, the more comic movies that are made, the less likely they are to be great. Quantity does not equal quality. That being said, with the filming quality that is today, comic movies, in one form or another have proven to work, and are here to stay.
  • LW
    The Spirit was great, I don't know why that's being listed here. lol ^^
  • Baron the Curse
    Actually, the great thing is that half the comic book movies out there are not recognized as such by most audience. Few people actually knew Blade or Road to Perdition where comic movies.
  • beavis
    i don't mind superhero/ comics movies. there seem ( to me) to be a couple of issues: 1. not every comic/ superhero/graphic novel, or cartoon needs a movie.......jonah hex? transformers, green lantern? hulk? catwoman? the spirit? the avengers? i hear talk of aquaman??? ............it's getting ridiculous. 2.i don't like to make wide-sweeping generalizations (because i'm sure the nerdy fanbases of other SH will disagree) but i think it's safe to say batman, spiderman, and superman are the big three of SH. if people on the street are asked to name the top 3 SH, i think these 3 would get the most votes. and it's ok for others (iron man, FF, Xmen for example) to get a movie........but i don't think we need 6+ movies for each of these "less known" SH. (and i'm a HUGE fan of fantastic four comics - and i don't believe they're popular enough for multiple movies - so, no bias here) SH movies i think have thebiggest problem due to each movie being based on an individual hero. i don't want to see a batman, ironman, spiderman......etc...etc... every 1-2 years because it's always going to have the same lead hero. at this point, even if the villians change, each movie comes out seeming like "more of the same". this will eventually lead to over-saturation of the market and less interest in the genre. what it really boils down to, i guess, is this - hollywood seems to be substituting too much originality by using superheros/graphic novels/comics/cartoons as an easy quick fix. just since TDK, it's astounding to see the number of these types of movies being made. but ,if they continue to churn out more and more of these types of movies, (as they've been doing the last few years) and neglect original ideas, a saturation point has to be reached and interest will drop.
  • Mir
    Alex, I'm not excited about any of those movies you've listed except Batman 3. Vaughn is correct. Anyone can see it coming. Box office-wise, Thor is going to sink. Avengers is going to sink. Green Lantern is going to sink. It seems the hype is only concentrated with fanboys so far. An average movie-goer couldn't care less about any of those superheroes except.. maybe Captain America. On top of that, Justice League depends on Avengers' success. Spider-man and even Vaughn's X-men will sink. Yep, superhero movies are done for. Good riddance.
  • Al
    I don't think they'll let it happen. The comicbook film genre is being run the same exact way as the comic book industry, in the sense that once a plotline or characters gets stale, you just start from scratch. They did it with Batman, they did it with Punisher (several times), they did it with Hulk, they did it with Superman, and they're doing it with Spiderman. So just like the comic book industry, we'll be starting over the franchise once it gets dull, with new people. This is why I've stopped reading Marvel, and DC by the way (unless I can't resist) Image comics is where its at. And the novelty of it is, why would anyone question it? If you get stuck with a bad film ala Batman and Robin, wouldn't you cheer on Batman Begins? Its still Batman, right? But at what cost? We'll see a new Batman franchise pop up before 2020. Even though Nolan did it right. Its a money thing. And people will eat it up. They'll let it slide. Its unfortunate to say, but I let it slide. I hate how this is how it works, but they no at the end of the day, I'll be handing them my money. I wish I wouldn't, but I do.
  • Eli
    I partially agree beavis. What I think though is that the market is way too crowded with superheroes all doing the same thing. On film it's like they replace the superhero and villian and switch the setting just a little bit, and everything in between is the same. Fans like the comics for a various number of reasons and get completely immersed in the story on the page, but what filmmakers and fans alike need to realize and accept is that a screen interpretation of their favorite superhero has very rarely worked in their favor and did the genre very little justice. It's frustrating to think that people will continue to buy into them. Consider the ones that were failures. How many fanboys then walked away with their tails between their legs walking out of the theaters? What I think it boils down to is the movie industry tugging at every string they can to bring us two hours of so-so entertainment. It's what we all want after a hard day's work. The future of superhero movies doesn't seem to be fading in the next three years or so. I'm not personally looking foward to anything in that genre that includes graphic novels, superheroes, or action figures, but as a film buff, I won't be too disappointed to see the genre go.
  • eric
    I agree. I'm thinking around 2015 superhero movies will be few and far between.
  • http://www.websbestcomics.com Scott Reed
    It's nonsense. The super-hero genre is just a new genre and will join other genre such as Westerns and Romance, which will never ever die. And like other genre, super-hero films will include peaks and valleys of varying quality.
  • Miles
    Well, the thing is, most of us won't be around in fifty years' time, maybe even less. There will ALWAYS be comic book movies. Remember that in fifty years' time, there'll be an entirely new audience. Then it won't matter whether WE'VE already seen the story. The movie won't be made for us anyway. And originality will never be such a big issue, because there are only eight original stories in the world. There is no such thing as an original story. Originality plays a part in HOW the story is told, not what it's about. The film industry also goes through phases. During WWII it was the whole FILM NOIR thing, because people were angry and depressed. Then came the French new wave, which kick started the American New wave(Scorsese, Coppolla etc.) then came Steven Spielberg with JAWS and George Lucas with STAR WARS. This started the BLOCKBUSTER era. We're still in it now and it's probably the longest running cinematic movement ever. And it's not slowing down. We get smaller movements, like the recent INDEPENDENT film scene, but nothing as successful or as powerful as the blockbuster. My long winded point is, Big Budget movies, whether they are superhero movies or anything else, are probably here to stay.
  • Xerxex
    More flops then successes, lazy directing, lazy script writing. Those are usually what happens with most Supe flicks, maybe its time to simmer down on the superhero films.
  • DRM
    People think this "Supehero bubble' has just come into existence with the first X-men movie in the early 2000s, but the comic book and Superhero genre has existed for years. In the 40's and 50's Superman and Batman serials were all the rage. Then came the onset of superhero television with The Adventures of Superman, 60's Batman, Wonder Woman, and eventually the Incredible Hulk. The 60's Batman show had a theatrically released movie too. Then came the Donner Superman films, then Tim Burton's Batman film series which was phenomenally successful. Then there are the many movies that people didn't even realize were comic movies like "the Mask", "Ninja Turtles", "Men in Black" etc. etc. The only difference between now and then, is that Marvel has stepped up their movie game. While it's undoubtedly true that at some point comic book films will be less plentiful, they'll never stop entirely. So long as the movie industry will still exist, there will be comic book films in some form or another.
  • DoomCanoe
    im already bored of the genre. It hit me when everyone loved Kick-Ass and i just said "im so sick of super hero movies"
  • deadpool72
    comic movies are genre themselves now,they will never die. how many of the genral public actually know what are comic movies these days,for example everyone knows batman,spider-man,iron-man & x-men. but how many know the likes of road to perdition,surrogates,the book of eli,300 & sin city all have comic/graphic novel origins .
  • Kyle Morris
    I don't think we'll see "super hero" movies die out. A good story is a good story regardless if powers and spandex are involved. Assuming the inevitable demise of this "genre" is kind of dumb --these aren't mini series like harry potter or twilight that have definitive endings. And even if there was an ending, the majority of these comic book movies come with 40+ years of written material, so making sequels and what not, in theory, should be cake walks... Additionally, saying this "fad" will lose its popularity/profitability is like saying no one wants to see another James Bond flick... c'mon, that's simply not true. The only way we'll see these movies die out is if their comic book counterparts die out -and thats not going to happen. Granted, more than half of the time Hollywood never does the source material justice and the audiences are left with watered down, mediocre sci-fi action flicks smothered with poor ratings--but that's really beside the point. For example, most avid X-Men fans absolutely LOATHE the movie adaptations -but you can bet your ass they've seen all of the movies multiple times and may even own copies of the films.
  • Alan
    I don't think they will die out, as long as people are creating new and innovative ways of making Superhero movies. Nolan did an excellent job of it and the differences between the Hulk/Iron Man and Batman makes it fun. One is created in a completely realistic world while the other is more of a fun time.
  • tEDDY bESS
    If the latest THOR trailer is anything to go by, Vaughn is right. Hollywood only needs one big $100 million superhero tentpole movie to flop - then they'll drop that genre like a steaming turd.
  • joe
    I'm sick of it and you shouldn't lump 'Priest' and 'Cowboys and Aliens' under superhero because they aren't. Neither was Jonah Hex. What people are getting tired of are spandex wearing heroes and for that matter spoofs of spandex heroes. Kick Ass was great and maybe Super and Defendor were too but seriously do we need more superhero wannabes without powers in everyday life with weird ass sidekicks? No.
  • beavis
    after reading all of the posts above me ( and i liked reading everyones take on things!)......i feel we're all kind of dancing around one other question that needs to be asked: do we need OR are you looking forward to a future with: batman 16.........ironman 12......xmen 14 ? (FYI - i know there will be subtitles - i just used numbers to illustrate what # flim it would be.) i know i'm not wanting this at all. comics/ graphic novels can make good movies. a current example would be kickass - i LOVED that movie and own the bluray verison; BUT - i don't think there should be a sequel. any opinions?
  • DiR3cT
    He's right everything comes as a phase, just like vampires.
  • Jimmy Love
    He sounds like a cheap psychic "you will get hungry later" well no crap! or like telling a child that it will get dark later(the sky not the child)
  • Dan the Fan
    To answer #21 I look at movies this way... There will always be good movies and bad movies. There will always be remakes, reboots, and spin-offs. But every once in awhile, a film tells the story right. I was given The Crow. Sure, they made a few several sequels which were absolutely shit; now they're making a reboot. But the original will always be wonderful. Nothing can take that away from me. Tim Burton and WB gave me Batman. The rest sucked. Then came TDK and retold a fantastic Joker story. So really... so long as they give me something great, I'll just ignore the crap in between. To summarize, I loved Spidey 2, and now they're redoing the whole thing again, and early might I add. If they do it right, sure, I won't hate them, but I'll be skeptical until I see some good product. It is truly hard to make a quality film. It takes talent, co-operation, dedication, and above all, TIME.
  • beavis
    good point #24. it's too bad we have to wade through the crap to find the quality though.
  • Iggypop
    superhero movies adapted from comics will always be there. it will never die down. the kids born in the 70's and 80's are still at it watching these films...around their late 30's to 40 something and these generations will give proof that tey'll still be around for a while. compared to the cartoons born during the 20th/21st century and developed into movies (last airbender, dragon ball, etc.) which both bombed in the box office... i am still waiting for the dungeons and dragons live action adaptation from the famous cartoons in the 80's... who can forget the archer, the magician, the acrobat, the barbarian, the knight and the UNICORN!!!! There are plenty of materials out there from the cartoons / superheroes to choose from, as long as their will be good plots, good directors to helm them.
  • Iggypop
    superhero movies adapted from comics will always be there. it will never die down. the kids born in the 70's and 80's are still at it watching these films...around their late 30's to 40 something and these generations will give proof that superhero films still be around for a while. compared to the cartoons born during the 20th/21st century and developed into movies (last airbender, dragon ball, etc.) which both bombed in the box office... i am still waiting for the dungeons and dragons live action adaptation from the famous cartoons in the 80's... who can forget the archer, the magician, the acrobat, the barbarian, the knight and the UNICORN!!!! There are plenty of materials out there from the cartoons / superheroes to choose from, as long as their will be good plots, good directors to helm them.
  • http://www.themoviescene.co.uk Andy
    I actually agree with Vaughn because 5 years ago, even 3 years ago I was excited when a superhero movie was announced but now, not being a huge fan of comic books, seeing how many of these movies are in production it ends up turning me off. And whilst I can see how some are excited by the slab of these movies scheduled for release next summer it doesn’t do anything for me. I think audiences who like me who are not big comic book fans, who have up till now enjoyed the occasional comic book/super hero movie will see this big pile of them hitting the big screen and being turned off. And at that point I can see super hero movies dropping off quite quickly, maybe even before we have had those eagerly anticipated movies such as “The Avengers”. It’s a case of to many studios jumping on the band wagon and then ruining it by all going crazy for it with over-kill.
  • David Scholes
    I think there is quite a considerable interest out there that goes well beyond the traditional fan boy bases. As an Aussie sci-fi writer I write a lot of Thor fan fic and there has been recent interest in my work from people who are not traditional Thor fans. If you get a chance check out some of my Marvel (mainly Thor) fan fiction. Just scroll down below my author profile and you will see over 40 fan fiction stories here: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1276881/David_Scholes Maybe also check out my new novella. Only just released as an e-book on Xlibris and also now available in Kindle edition on Amazon: http://www.xlibris.com/SoldieroftheBrell.html Cheers
  • Cody w
    I believe hes right, after Nolans Batman is over the trend will die. I also HOPE hes right because I am really sick of em.
  • beavis
    #29 - i agree 100%.
  • I am...
    I agree with #1: He is being double faced by doing one and he will be to blame if the First Class flops It is not because he put his money into kick ass and it flopped that he can go around sharing his little vision. As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't know much and hasn't got much experience into comic books adaptation for him to run his mouth about it They should ask real guys like Favreau and Nolan, not him.
  • http://www.bleepinggeek.com Pete the Geek
    While I don't know why he'd direct a superhero movie if he thinks that the market is oversaturated, but he makes a very good point: it's going to be hard to keep people interested in comic book movies if only 1 out of 3 is any good. For every Dark Knight we've had, there's a Batman and Robin. I actually hope that the fad dies down a little (a little, not entirely) so that we go back to only making superhero films if they're good and have the right people behind them.
  • 1544K
    I disagree. Yes on a long enough timeline however I'm talking a really long time line. There has always been some form of this genre on TV or film. My earliest memories are the 60's Batman. Numerous cartoons and live action shows 70's, 80's, 90's etc thereafter and really well made films now. There may be a decline but certainly not a 'death' of the genre.
  • Corran Horn
    While I don't think the genre will die out completely, I do think the superhero genre will quiet down after 2012. Initially, I thought 2008 would be the maximum saturation point, but the superheroes of that year were different enough, good enough, and spaced out enough to avoid stepping on each other's toes. 2011, however, will see the release of 3 superhero films (GL, Captain America, and X-Men First Class) within a six-week period. I think that people who are not comic book fans, who make up a majority of filmgoers, will be turned off by all this, especially if the movies turn out badly. Now, I do think Nolan's final Batfilm will do fine, but I think it will be the film to close the door on this era.
  • Jimmy Love
    Oh and super hero or comic movies are NOT a new genre its been around as long as hollywood just look at George reeves.
  • o Toxin o
    I liked X-men the last stand it was the x-men movie i was hoping for compared to the first 2 , i'm not a big fan of Singer ..Superman Returns was wicked boring to me..almost no action. Valkyre was ok too ,its like his movies never have a good peak point and the action is too few an far between.
  • Bill
    Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one. I don't think superhero movies will ever die out. Superman is a good example. He started out in the Sunday comics, then actual comic books, then on the radio, he went to TV, and then the big screen and we continue to try and make a better Superman movie. I think as long as we continue to make technological advances in moving making, we can tackle more advanced projects (ie - Green Latern). I also agree that it takes the right director, writer/story, and visual affects to make the best movie. The key is to find that combination to make everyone want to go see ANY movie, not just a superhero movie. I am always excited to see previews and hear about hype about the upcoming summer or holiday season, especially to see what new superhero(s) hollywood is going to attempt to bring to the big screen. I must say that I was disappointed this year in all of the summer movies this season (except Inception). I thought Iron Man 2, while I still enjoyed it and thought that there were some great scenes, lost something. It was not nearly as good as the first. I am excited to see some footage of Green Latern and Captain America, but I am having mixed feelings about Thor. I want it to be a great movie, but I am not feeling it yet. I have been impressed with the quality of some straight to video, PG-13, animated superhero movies as of late. Particluary "Under the Red Hood". If only someone could deliver that kind of quality to the superhero movie. In short (to late), it takes a winning combination to create a great movie in general. The same is true for the superhero movie. There is a lot of great material and writers in the comic book world. We need the right person to take it to the next step...the big screen. Here is to the future of the super hero movie, but not the end.
  • jasonmd2020
    The reason Batman Begins & TDK did so well and were so good was the fact they weren't approached & shot like a "superhero" film. They were told like a crime drama. Iron Man & IM2 stylistically reminded me more of some sci-fi, comedy-action thing from the 80's rather than a comic book. I think that's the approach that should be taken "comic book" isn't a genre type, it's a source material. Nobody lumps Fight Club, Dracula, Moby Dick, Hunt for Red October & the Grapes of Wrath together as "Novel Movies" You want to make sure Thor doesn't suck, then don't do it as a comic. Do it like L.O.T.R., an epic fantasy. Don't shoot Cap's WWII adventure like a comic, think Saving Private Ryan. Think of the characters & story, about what kind of genre it is and not that it's a "comic book" film.
  • Pookiefreak
    Vaughn is all ego when it comes to...well, Vaughn. He couldn't handle the satire that was 'Kick-Ass.' Millar's comic-book gave us the brilliant revelation that Big Daddy was a fraud, a simple accountant 'fan-boy' who financed his super-hero efforts by selling off his rare comic book connection. Vaughn's film gave us...Kick-Ass with a Jet Pack. That and a final act that was overly sentimental, cliche' and redundant - nothing like Millar's book. What was shocking and fun on the page became the same old thing on the screen under Vaughn's direction. The reality is that the 'Superhero' film has finally become a mature, complex and vital genre. 'The Dark Knight" was the most critically acclaimed film of 2008. Its nominations for the PGA, DGA and WGA awards, along with Heath Ledger's Oscar win, finally had Hollywood itself admitting films based on 'costumed heroes' could be intelligent and insightful social commentary. The commercial and artistic success of 'Iron Man' and 'Watchman' reinforced the unlimited potential of the genre and the fact that comic book movies don't have to follow conventional formulas - like Vaughn did with 'Kick-Ass.' Watch the film's 'Ass-Kicking BonusView Mode' on Blu-Ray and listen to Vaughn pat himself on the back for intelligently making endless conventional decisions in the writing and directing of the film. You come away realizing Vaughn's 'X-Men: First Class' is probably going to have the same formula and feel as the previous 4 'X-Men' films. Any director going into a project feeling the subject matter is "going to be dead for a while because the audience has just been pummeled too much” needs pass on the project and put it in the hands of a director whose attitude is, "You ain't seen nothin' yet!" Thank God for Joss Whedon and Christopher Nolan.
  • Dave Lister, J.M.C.
    Why does he think so? Hollywood keeps cranking out shitty vampire movies like the Twilight and Underworld series, with no end in sight.
  • dealers wheel
    who the hell is joss whedon and why do i think the avengers will be a joke. 4 or 5 comic book nutjobs in 1 movie. thats 20mins per character over a normal length movie. ????
  • McWilly
    Don't care if it comes from a novel, game, comic, short story, kids book, bubble gum wrapper. I enjoy good mixture of sci-fi and action, I think the comics offer a plethora of untouched stories ….but with that some will produce a quick crappy movie for a buck and some will truly be great. Obviously we have seen both. Crappy movies will be made no matter what genre but every once in a while comes a gem.
  • Greenlite
    comic book movies have being going strong since Spiderman came out early in the decade so a 15-20 yr run is pretty good....that means batman 3 and avengers will probably be the last classic films out there before the genre heads towards the closet in its final 3-4 yrs...slasher films blossomed for 20 yrs in the 80s and 90s and died about 15 yrs ago and they havn't recovered yet...dont think comics will take that long I agree with No.40, if u do it with diff approach then u'll win, cuz I love superhero films but i'm not into comics...so as long as they make it with new angles and perspectives then they should be fine wonder when will we see a blairwitch style superhero film, without getting sea sick
  • clint
    I feel that fox studios are the worst offenders on making terrible comic book movies. Daredevil, elektra, xmen last stand, both fantastic 4. That's a huge sign they should just stop. Matt vaughn should take a look at what made iron man so big. The fact that they heeded to the source material while only modernizing it to fit in today. What he is about to do to the xmen is just another bastardized comic movie. Thor won't flop but cap will. Cap was a soldier and believed in his country. The writers are taking this 'united nations' stance on cap. Everyone loves, freedom and true justice for which cap stands. They could even use the holocaust to stir it up in him. But they won't. They will make cap a shallow hero movie. Jonah hex was made just for the sake of a western hero movie. Sure the genre is getting humped dry but as long as writers and directors get the character and the ideals they stand for the movies shouldn't be terrible. That and as long asd they stick to the source material. Let me stress this again Stick. To. The. Source. Material. Say it with me hollywood. Stick to the source material.
  • http://superdefective.wordpress.com/ superdefective
    Is 2012 and superhero movies are still being made, but more slowly. So it might be happening.

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