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'Amazing Spider-Man' Almost Tied into 'Avengers' and Now 'Venom'?

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June 12, 2012
Source: Latino Review, Hollywood.com

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We're less than a month away from the release of The Amazing Spider-Man, and while some comic book fans were hoping The Avengers would send some kind of tip of the hat to the wallcrawler while his city was destroyed by Chitauri, with Disney holding on to the superhero ensemble rights and Columbia grasping Spidey's tightly, it just didn't seem possible. However, apparently a very small crossover detail almost came together, and it was the scheduling that didn't allow it to happen instead of studio stubbornness. On top of that, it sounds like a crossover Spider-Man universe is in the mix to bring Venom to theaters. More below!

First, let's talk about this failed crossover. Now while the chances of seeing Spider-Man show up and help The Avengers was a pipe dream, making a small nod to the fact that they all exist in the same universe wasn't something the studios were against. Latino Review got word from Marvel exec Avi Arad and Columbia exec Matt Tolmach that there were plans to include the new Oscorp tower in the New York City skyline for The Avengers. Production designer J. Michael Riva (who sadly recently passed away) crafted such an awesome building for Oscorp that Disney and Columbia were willing to work together to fit it into the skyline. But at the time, Manhattan was already rendered and time didn't allow. That's a bummer.

But the takeaway is this. Despite the fact that studios like Fox holding onto the rights to X-Men and Fantastic Four and Columbia keeping Spider-Man, it's good to hear that executives like the idea of creating this unified comic book universe on the big screen. It's still a longshot that we would see any character crossover as the legal logistics behind that are likely pretty mind-boggling, but the fact that studios are willing to work together to get some small jollies from longtime fans of these franchises is pretty damn cool. And it sounds like Columbia is ready for some more crossover action.

Recently Hollywood.com talked to Arad and Tolmach as well, and they talked about the gestating Venom spin-off with Chronicle director Josh Trank apparently developing the project, hopefully to direct himself. On the story, Arad gave some details of how the spin-off story would go:

"It's an Eddie Brock story. We want to be as close to the comics as possible. Especially in Eddie Brock's story. But again, pseudo-sceince is becoming science. All these tidbits about webs, artificial webs, is a huge industry now. Spiderwebs have unique qualities that will be huge for communications, fibers, and so forth. So we have taken the approach that we want to make the huge amazing movie about Eddie."

I'm not sure what that means, but Arad also says the story will be more grounded than people might be expecting while still staying true to the comics. And in that same vein, that means we would have to find the basis for Venom in the Spider-Man universe. Does that mean we'll see some allusion to Eddie Brock and Venom in The Amazing Spider-Man next month? Well, Tolmach wasn't forthcoming with the details, but hinted at that very concept, "What I'm trying to say to you without giving anything away is hopefully all these worlds will live together in peace someday. Look for the worlds to make sense with one another." That's about as close to a confirmation as we'll get for now, but all this talk about continued comic book universes expanding on the big screen is enough to make the fanboy in me get all sorts of excited, especially with Comic-Con coming next month. Cool?

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  • http://twitter.com/RWDYxy Rowdy Son
    there movies not comics there is no way they could fit the whole thing together if they try it will just go on forever or until they've killed it completely  as for Venom I say screw Venom they've done him already I want to see Carnage
    • SkylerB619
      While Carnage would be bad ass.  I still would prefer to see them do Venom right.  I loved Topher Grace's casting as Eddie, but the character wasn't written right at all so Topher had nothing to go on. Hopefully if (and when?) they try agan, Avi won't let them ruin it twice. And of course then bring Carnage for Spidey and Venom to fight together.  Ahh in a perfect world...  Well a nerd can dream, right?  :)
      • Chip_Tha_Ripper
        I want to see carnage and toxin.
      • Meow
        Topher Grace as Eddie Brock is good casting? Never read a 'Venom' comic, I see.
  • Ryotenbin
    I really wish Disney and Marvel could get the x-men, Fantastic 4 and spiderman back.  They are two of the best characters in the entire universe, but are stuck in what qaulifies as Bizarro world.  Fox has totally jacked up the x-men and fantastic four and I am afraid if they put their hands on them again, they will never recover and suffer the same fate as the Punisher....who seemingly would be one of the easiest characters to bring to the big screen Lets just hope that Columbia does not mess up the Amazing Spiderman like they did with Spiderman 3..smh
    • wazzaoo
      I WANT MORE EMO PETER PARKER!!!
      • Ryotenbin
        LOL
    • http://madeofhells.tumblr.com/ Triangle Dimes
      That would be opening Pandora's Box. I can imagine the final battle in Avengers going a lot differently if it takes place in the X-Men universe where there are millions of other mutants in the world, and then Galactus shows up, and hey here's alien symbiotes coming in from space. And by the way here's the Skrull. And they're all hitting Manhattan because apparently that is the most important place in the world.
      • Ryotenbin
        Ha! You did not know that Manhattan is the epicenter of Earth.  All roads lead to Manhattan.
        • wazzaoo
          Ohman I wonder how Avengers would be like in a city like Berlin or Miami
  • Voice of Reason
    The 1st thought is that if the studios worked together they could make more money, so why wouldnt they? Then they could execute the real comic book that couldn't be done: The infinity Gauntlet (sorry, Watchmen); which would DOMINATE box office records, expectations and define the superhero genre for a lifetime, with all studios reaping the benefit$. But then the 2nd thought is that there's just no way it would ever happen because we live in a real world where dreams don't come true and most people die alone, sad and without much money because their not studio executives. So, whatever...tie in Venom with Spiderman of course, itsd easy, why wouldn't they. Yay?
    • peloquin
    • Jericho
      whats an infinity gauntlet?
      • mooreworthy
        A bedazzled power glove that Thanos wears that welds cosmic power.
        • Voice of Reason
          Haha, bedazzling. I like the idea of Thanos then bedazzling a cut-off jean jacket before going to the Cosmic Mall to meet his girlfriends and show off his super kewl, shiny new glove!
          • mooreworthy
            Then a break dance battle would ensue!
      • peloquin
        Thanos mounts the six Infinity Gems, (collected in the The Thanos Quest limited series), on his left glove to form the titular Infinity Gauntlet. Each Gem grants its bearer complete mastery over one aspect of the multiverse Time, Space, Mind, Soul, Reality, and Power. Now all-powerful and desperate to win the affections of Death, Thanos decides to offer the entity a gift of love by completing a task she had given him, erasing half the sentient life in the universe (including most of the X-Men, Daredevil, and the Fantastic Four)[2], quite literally with a snap of his fingers. The surviving heroes on Earth band together — guided by the newly-resurrected Adam Warlock — to battle Thanos. In a bid to impress Death, Thanos allows the heroes a slight chance of winning, but easily defeats and kills almost all of them. Thanos then goes on to defeat and imprison many of the universe's cosmic entities — including Galactus; the Stranger; the Titan Kronos; Epoch; the entities Love and Hate; two Celestials; Master Order and Lord Chaos; and Eternity. After defeating Eternity, Thanos leaves his body and becomes the living embodiment of the universe. This leaves his abandoned body vulnerable to Nebula, his alleged granddaughter.
        • Voice of Reason
           Yes'm the gauntlet was seen in Thor and all that, but yeah, to pull it off it includes pretty much all of the Marvel suits as Peloquin listed. Its spectacular and the one of the biggest Marvel Universe endeavors next to Civil War...it would just be INCREDIBLE if they pursue the path of The Infinity Gauntlet as the current Avengers movies/characters  are already kind of doing what with the reveal of Thanos, but if the movie pulled in ALL the superheroes, thus requiring all the studios to cooperate.....it'd be goddamn legendary.
        • http://madeofhells.tumblr.com/ Triangle Dimes
          And... roll credits.
    • http://madeofhells.tumblr.com/ Triangle Dimes
       It's not that surprising, when you consider how huge these movies are and how many moving parts make up even a single movie, much less one story taking place across multiple years in multiple films. It's amazing when you consider how much goes into ONE of these things, how many egos are being balanced, how this sort of thing is budgeted, and how many insane contracts need to be drawn up to secure the right people for the right amount of time. I mean, it took 5 movies to tell one relatively small story, the battle with Loki. It took that much time to get us to give a shit about these characters, set up all the players, and then have one giant battle where we were actually emotionally invested in it. If they crammed that into one movie it would have been garbage. The bigger the story, the more setup, I would think. They fucked up the Fantastic Four, so now they'll have to start over and do it right before involving them at all.
      • Voice of Reason
         totally hear you on that, the process is staggering and I'm certain its not a picnic to even get 3 studios to come together without squabbling, I just want em too cuz in the end I will give them money.
  • Sickdoghats2
    Im sick of super hero movies.
    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1557734654 Andre Nieves
      Im ready for mo0re super heroes movies. 
  • Jericho
    a more grounded Venom? last time i heard about a more grounded superhero it was about batman...
    • Voice of Reason
      Pretty sure it means more rooted in reality, y'know, like the symbiote came to America to find a job and live the dream. As such we'll be seeing "Office Worker Venom" and, um..."1st Date Venom" and "Venom fixes a leak under the sink!" All contained within a realistic, relative world. Like him doing taxes and seeing a doctor about his long tongue and green slaver......no?
      • Jericho
        meets the neighbor girl who just so happens to have a power to control sonic stuff but is allergic to alien symbiotic....stuff... so they want to be together but they cant because they will kill each other...and it will still be a better love story than Twilight....
  • http://madeofhells.tumblr.com/ Triangle Dimes
    I don't know grounded a Venom movie can be. It's a symbiote that comes from space that turns the host into a black oil monster. 
    • BinaryChaos
      In the ultimate spiderman universe venom's origin wasn't from space but co-created in a lab by Peter Parker's father... The symbiote suit was initially designed to protect the host from cancerous cells. It looks like in this re-boot they are taking on the ultimate spider-man universe or just taking ideas from multiple story incarnations of the hero and intertwining them into one.
      • http://madeofhells.tumblr.com/ Triangle Dimes
         As realistic as that sounds, it seems the common theme in that universe is "people in a lab fuck something up."
        • BinaryChaos
          You are absolutely right on that, lol. Instead of relying on radioactive substances to create a hero it's all about the labs. It's crazy what scientists can do these days though that people from the 1800s would laugh hysterically at.
  • rennmaxbeta
    Might explain why I've seen Amazing Spider-Man branded Venom action figures in the stores.
  • Christopher Batty
    This is a sad attempt by Sony to try to get some of that Avengers billion dollar money. Truth be told. Amazing Spider-Man never had anything to do with the Avengers. 
    • annon
      Yes he did. He joins the Avengers in the comics and even later goes on to join the FF when the human torch dies.
  • Kate
    If they did decide to add all the Avengers at some point I would love to see how they'd do that seeing as the Human Torch and Captain America are both played by Chris Evans, but I swear I heard somewhere that Spiderman may be in the next avengers Movie, and I really hope he is (Andrew Grafield not Toby Maguire)
    • tory amos
      toby Maguire was a good spidey you jerk .
  • jrd
    they can't just do carnage without doing venom and black spidey first because the black spidey suite came first then came eddie brock as venom and then comes carnage cause carnage is an offspring of the venom symbiote that came off and bonded with cassidy the murderer when eddie brock was in jail

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