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TGB Breakdown Ep 12: Verhoeven's Starship Troopers (Guest: Liam O'Donnell)

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February 26, 2013

TGB Breakdown Ep 12: Verhoeven's Starship Troopers

On this episode of The Golden Briefcase Breakdown, hosts Tim & Jeremy are joined by guest Liam O'Donnell of Hydraulx for a spoiler-filled discussion on Paul Verhoeven's 1997 science fiction action cult classic Starship Troopers, based on the Robert A. Heinlein novel, starring Casper Van Dien. The main purpose of Breakdown episodes is to to ponder, discuss and challenge the films that we feel often need more than just a simple review. We breakdown the film to discuss plots and theories in order to better understand the director's vision and hopefully challenge our listeners at home to re-evaluate the way they watch cinema.

Extra episodes of TGB Breakdown will be arriving about every month, and will appear here in addition to all of our regular weekly Golden Briefcase episodes. Beware - every episode of TGB Breakdown will contain SPOILERS for the film in discussion (this one about 1997's Starship Troopers). You've been WARNED!

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The Movie:

Starship Troopers (1997) - Directed by Paul Verhoeven

Our Guest:

Liam O'Donnell: @LiamOdin

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Tim Buel: @timbuel
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  • Linkfx
    One of the best films of all time...love this amazing, genius, violent fascist satire to pieces. This versus Titanic best visual effects, which one still stands up today looking awesome...it's not James Cameron's epic and yet it beat it at the Oscars...
    • http://www.facebook.com/chris.groves.507 Chris Groves
      I think they both stand up amazingly well...better than any CGI fest from say...2005(Revenge of the Sith, King Kong, etc)
      • Linkfx
        the ship and the environment around it, including the billowing steam and the people walking on the deck look really cheesy now. the same can not be said for starship troopers, save for the acid fire shooting out of the tanker bug's maw the vfx still look pristine.
        • http://www.facebook.com/chris.groves.507 Chris Groves
          That's all matter of opinion. I watched them both fairly recently. Neither of them look like they were made last year...but BOTH of them hold up exceptionally well.
  • http://www.facebook.com/MagsMansson Magnus Månsson
    Funny I watched this one with my son just three days ago, always delivering. Too bad we're never going to get a remake with anything close to Verhoeven's special touch. On the other hand, A Neill Blomkamp version could be bad ass
    • http://www.facebook.com/chris.groves.507 Chris Groves
      Great suggestion. When I saw District 9 I thought "This guy would not make anything close to the Halo movie I'd like to see" BUT I thought he would be perfect for any sort of hardcore, violent sci-fi. A new Alien/Aliens film, a Starship Troopers remake, a Gears of War adaptation...that kind of stuff is right up his alley.
      • Cody W
        You realize he made a Halo short before D9 right?..it was epic
        • http://www.facebook.com/chris.groves.507 Chris Groves
          I saw it...and yeah, that's not the style I want for a Halo film, literally EVERY live action Halo short that has come since has been better than the ones Blomkamp did. I don't want shaky cameras with dirt and grime all over the place and the weird 'narrative style' that cuts to head-cam footage and things like that all of the time. Halo is grand and epic...it's closer to Star Wars or Lord of the Rings than it is to Saving Private Ryan in terms of style. It's a little cleaner and more vibrant, not monochromatic and filthy. Blomkamp has a unique style, but I don't want Halo done that way.
  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.groves.507 Chris Groves
    SO glad to get a Starship Troopers episode. Awesome, awesome movie.
  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.groves.507 Chris Groves
    I've not heard very good things about "Invasion" to tell the truth. Also, from what I understand, the novel is VERY dissimilar to the film. It's one of those things where people who love the book tend to hate the movie. I think it only has one 'action piece', Dizzy is a guy, etc etc
  • David Banner
    Sounds like you didn't get the movie. "The main purpose of Breakdown episodes is to to ponder, discuss and challenge the films that we feel often need more than just a simple review." "Ponder, discuss and challenge". What? Is there a part two?? I heard 3 guys reminisce cool scenes, you didn't go too deep. You choose this movie to talk about, do it justice with a proper follow up. It's as if you didn't even bother read anything on imdb or wikipedia about the novel and the movie, cuz: "words". There's also a few audio commentaries about the movie you could have listened to. I was looking forward to hearing 3 Americans who got it and their analysis of this Masterpiece, but it was as if it was 1997 again: Americans don't get it. They only see bugs. This was drive-thru film discussion, tsk-tsk, you can do better.
    • http://www.facebook.com/chris.groves.507 Chris Groves
      Am I catching an 'Anti-American' vibe from this comment? It's their show, they can discuss it however they want. Just because they chose to be nostalgic for the awesome instead of waxing philosophic on the satire of fascism doesn't mean they appreciated the film any less. ALSO, different people CAN appreciate films for different things.
    • Cody W
      Im an American...and I got it. So sick of national-ist bullshit.
    • Sal Heart
      I couldnt agree more with Banner, this episode was only a notch above listening to Beavis and Butthead(+ some other guy) discuss a movie with explosions. And on the americans dont get it part, that is 99% true. When I was a student abroad, around 99', I would often bring this movie up for many reasons, one being on how to convey messages in plain sight. Americans dont get this movie, it neeed a european to direct it, even if it was "americanised", and doesnt follow the book 100%, it is a pretty damn good description on the usa. Or maybe its just a bug move. And the alien races are not allegorys to jews or "gooks".
    • Tommy the Hammer
      Spot on mate, spot on. They claimed <> but it was just drivel they delivered. It has been a standing joke between my mates and I to ask americans to explain Starship Troopers to us. Fucking fail each time, ignorant swines.
      • Tommy the Hammer
        That came out strange. How did the chatbox know I am pissed?
      • http://www.facebook.com/chris.groves.507 Chris Groves
        Wow..."ignorant swines"...you strike me as a true gentleman.
      • Cody W
        Im sure the majority of your countrymen couldnt explain it to you either. Ugh why do I bother.
    • http://twitter.com/LiamODin Liam O'Donnell
      I was interesting in exploring what made the film so insanely rewatchable after all these years. But completely agree that we could have gone deeper into the satire and the politics. I'd be more than happy to do a follow up.
    • David Banner
      Maybe I got a bit green, with rage, after hearing to your podcast. If this is the level you "Ponder, discuss and challenge" a movie, you might want to consider renaming this part of the podcast to "Recommendations" or something so you don't lead listeners on to believing they will learn something. I was looking online for some (online) lectures on the subject of Starship Troopers, I think one of them was called: "Hidden in plain slight-How Starship Troopers soared over the radar in the USA". Something long like that. There has been several made over the years, go look for them if you are a fan. Then I was reminded that Roger Ager made 3x15min videos on the subject a year or two ago, and has a new, related video released March 6th of this year, but not too much ST in the first part, maybe in later videos. This video shows how you "Ponder, discuss and challenge" a movie: STARSHIP TROOPERS film analysis 1/3 by Rob Ager https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQcUa38KNFo wuff!
  • castingcouch
    Great movie. Verhoeven went out (of the US) on a real high.
  • http://profiles.google.com/dmenendez David Menéndez
    The book has little to do with the movie, guys. Heinlein basically did two things: write kickass power-armor space marine action, and discuss different philosophical issues. People that have only read this one book by Heinlein actually accused him of being pro-fascism, in fact. It's a good read - give it a try.

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