Must Watch: Second Full Trailer for The Dark Knight!
A second full-length theatrical trailer for The Dark Knight has finally debuted online. This is the same version that was bootlegged online and shown as part of last week's Joker trailer hunt. This trailer is absolutely perfect - it shows the perfect amount of new footage to tease us beyond the first trailer and yet doesn't show us too much so as to prevent the movie from being ruined in July. I know I'm not the only one incredibly excited for The Dark Knight and I know that just about everyone is looking forward to one hell of a phenomenal theatrical experience this July. I don't know how there is any way Christopher Nolan could let us down at this point, but I'll continue to hold my breath. Without any further delay, it's time to enjoy this new trailer as we count down the days to July 18th!
Watch the new theatrical trailer for The Dark Knight:
You can also watch The Dark Knight trailer in High Definition at WhySoSerious.com
Don't forget to also follow the on-going viral marketing game for The Dark Knight. We'll continue to provide extensive up-to-date coverage on all aspects of the viral marketing as we head into the summer season.
The Dark Knight is directed by phenomenal filmmaker Christopher Nolan (Memento, Batman Begins, The Prestige) and co-written by Nolan, his brother Jonathan Nolan (The Prestige), and David S. Goyer (Blade, Batman Begins). Batman is part of the DC Comics universe of legendary characters. The Dark Knight will hit theaters worldwide on July 18th this summer. The latest poster is featured below.
Reader Feedback - 93 Comments
Sorry. Forgot to say this above. I wish Ledger was alive to enjoy the fame (and most-likely, the nominations) he will receive from his performance.
Film-Book dot Com on May 4, 2008
Holy crap that was good. Gave me goosebumps.
Brad on May 4, 2008
1:54 INTO THE TRAILER! FANTASTIC!!! A trailer which equils the first. It just gets me so excitied! Who would have thought that the guy from '10 things I hate about you' could be this vigorous as the Joker!
Marcus on May 4, 2008
i so hate how they made the joker look. it's nothing like the original one. and it's not just the look. maybe another villein would have been more appropriate. besides that, it really looks excelent. can't wait for the movie.
razor on May 4, 2008
WWWWWWHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA The both movies : Indiana Knight 😉 will make me crazy ...WAITING .... 😉 * Indiana Knight wow ...from where I bring this new title ??? 🙂
shero on May 4, 2008
Fan-freaking-tastic. This film is going to blow my mind, and probably be my favorite movie. What a perfect trailer. July is too far away. Could this be Two-Face? http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/zombiejoel/twoface.jpg
Joel on May 4, 2008
I love this trailer. The pitch of The Joker is perfect. The way he tells jokes while speaking is very well done. The Dark Knight looks as though it will be better than Batman Begins and all the Batmen before it.
Film-Book dot Com on May 4, 2008
Thanks Joel...after watching the trailer, i was hoping someone would capture that pic of Dent alone in a car. and sure enough...it looks like Two-Face.
Matt Suhu on May 4, 2008
If Nicholson is God than Heath is Jesus.
Alexander on May 4, 2008
Am I the only person who had this trailer attached to IRON MAN or what? p.s. Is anyone's local SIX FLAGS building a DARK KNIGHT rollercoaster??? I live near the one in Jackson and it opens in 10 days (so psyched!)
Ryan on May 4, 2008
[Reply to comment #10] So does that make Mark Hamill the Holy Spirit? (For anyone who doesn't get the reference, Mark Hamill (yes, Luke Skywalker) was the voice of the Joker in the 'Batman' animated series in the early 90s.)
Tim Monforton on May 4, 2008
I agree with Joel about that being two face. When I saw the trailer attached to Iron man I noticed the charred flesh and burnt suit. Plus it comes after his left side of his face is laying in fuel. Now Nolan needs to keep the rest of face under wraps, but I suspect there will be a poster with it in full glory.
mICHAEL jOHNSON on May 4, 2008
good catch joel.....and the dark knight coaster is gonna be trash... if your near the one in jackson, NJ it is just a rehash of skull mountain... lol
JNYCE on May 4, 2008
I can't believe how great this is going to be. I loved Iron Man... but this, this looks like a new level of amazing.
Derek on May 4, 2008
I think his trailer is much better than Indiana's. This is going to be the best movie of the summer and one of the best of the year!
bltzie on May 4, 2008
Harvey Dent does become two face for the next movie, they already confirmed it.
zach on May 4, 2008
OMG!!!!!OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! OMG!!!!! This is going to be awesome.
Reza on May 4, 2008
OMG THAT WAS FUCKIN' AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't sop watching it!
Samy on May 4, 2008
I can just say wow.
Xerxex on May 4, 2008
I just wanted to point out that the Coaster in Jackson, NJ is not going to be a rehash of skull mountain. They demolished what was Batman and Robin and something else and are building a whole new coaster there.
Drew on May 4, 2008
Kail on May 4, 2008
OMFG I Can't Wait To See This Shit I Loved Iron Man I Can Already Tell This Movie Is Gonna Be A Classic. Oh Yea Pause At 2:03 Two Face
Greg on May 4, 2008
That was so bad ass, this movie is going to be incredible from Christian Bale being the perfect Batman to Heath Ledger being so bad ass and the perfect fit for this movie.
Curtis on May 4, 2008
silver on May 4, 2008
Check it out, I think when the Joker says "you look nervous" his lips dont match with the sentence... =)
bltzie on May 4, 2008
Guysssss nobody told me this was a batmann movieee, I thought it was a sequel to Black Knight starring Martin Lawrence
Kail on May 4, 2008
Crazy man this is gonna own!
Movie dude on May 4, 2008
July is so far away!!
JLA Reject on May 4, 2008
Hah, we must have had the same shot in mind when we posted it on our blogs 🙂 http://www.pdsys.org/blog/2008/05/04/BatmanTheDarkKnightFinalTrailer.aspx
Nicholas on May 4, 2008
yeah suhu. look closely and youll c charred skin on harveys face
Chris on May 4, 2008
Fucking Remarkable! I had seen the bootleg several times, but when it came on before Iron Man it became a whole new level of fantastic. Good call on the two face shot, I did not even notice him holding the gun, which pretty much gives it away as not many DA's are packing, I think we will get one confrontation with two face( with batman, or Gotham) to set up the next film and continue Nolan's brilliant breaking of the mold. The wait is becoming a bit physically painful at this point, but I am very excited for Speed Racer and Redbelt next weekend, love the mamet.
Tyler on May 4, 2008
It appears I was wrong in my previous post, any one avoiding all spoilers should not go read the LA times interview of Eckhart and Nolan or my next line, but every one else should. It appears that Two Face might be a big part of this film in more ways than one. Gangsta!
Tyler on May 4, 2008
f'n sweet this trailer gave away a lot, such as making of two face but it was worth it, im just wondering if ledger gets to renew the "ever dance with the devil" line, ive kindve always felt that line defined batman as for the rollercoaster, they were going to make one at the six flags in mass but they started building before pulling the permit and they made them take it down and it got canceled
harrison on May 4, 2008
looks amazing!!, i cannot wait, as for the rollercoaster, they're promoting the dark knight ride over here in NY. =]
PHATBOY_x on May 4, 2008
Fantastic trailer, though it should have ended just after Batman flies past the building and The Dark Knight title comes up with that music. The "Lamborghini" scene was just cheese and kinda ruined the vibe of the trailer.
avoidz on May 4, 2008
That looks amazing! I took a screen shot of a scene in the trailer, and you can make out burn marks on Harvey Dent's face (it's the scene where you see Harvey's profile holding a revolver). Can't wait!!!
Joe Campos on May 4, 2008
They didn't show too much Batman in the trailer did they? I know everyone's going bananas for the Joker and Ledger has obviously done a chilling performance but I hope the character doesn't overshadow the protagonist as he did in Burton's original.
Frame on May 4, 2008
this is going to be best film of the year
darrin on May 4, 2008
I'm so sick of all you gay-for-Ledger types going on about this role immortalizing him, and the 'inevitable' nominations. In terms of acting, Ledger will not be remembered for this movie. And he's certainly not going to be nominated for any major acting awards for this role in a silly little comic-book movie. Ledger was an okay actor. Not great. And certainly not as good as Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Aaron Eckhart, or Morgan Freeman. He wasn't even within sight of their ballpark. I'm looking forward to this movie too, but come on guys- Your life is not going to fall to pieces if you admit that TDK is merely going to fall near that broad middle-ground between terrible and Great. Remove some of the superlatives from your vocabularies. They don't make you profound. They make you sound like a bunch of tools.
M. on May 4, 2008
I come from the future, and Ledger gets a nomination. Guess who's the tool now.
Adkfja on Dec 23, 2011
AND a win.
Adkfja on Dec 23, 2011
This post is the word "wrong" personified. What a complete and utter fail. The future sends its regards.
Anonymous on Jan 11, 2012
(#34) Was it suppose to be a secret that Harvey Dent becomes Two Face in this film. If so then it's the been the worst kept secret for many months now.
Andee23 on May 4, 2008
That makes no sense. Batman begins was a great movie that revitalized the franchise. Granted we haven't seen the movie yet, but this movie looks like it could surpass that. This could be the best comic book adaptation yet. As for Heath Ledger he may not have picked the best movies at the beginning of his career however he was an academy award nominee and was amazing in Monster's Ball. So we don't know if he'll get an academy award nomination for this movie but it doesn't mean he won't be great.
Drew on May 4, 2008
i heard somewhere that this movie will visit Batman's detective backgrounds which they didn't get to do in the first, so that will be interesting 🙂
silver on May 4, 2008
M., #40 Ledger being nominated for this role is definitely in the same league as Depp being nominated for Jack Sparrow (which he was) whether you think that's ridiculous or not. #42 said it: Ledger was a great talent with untapped potential as subtle as his chops were prior to the Joker character.
Frame on May 4, 2008
M, Heath Ledger was a rare and remarkable talent who respected film critics and fans likened to a young Marlon Brando. His recent performances were masterful, all it took was an opportunity. Granted he might not receive nominations for this film bc it is a summer blockbuster, but Batman Begins received better reviews than the departed( best picture winner). He does clearly get some sympathy respect as well, but it is clear that the world is missing a brilliant actor with his passing. Ang Lee, Christopher Nolan, Terry Gilliam, Jack Nicholoson, Daniel Day Lewis, and many more agree. and then there is you, a guy using the world tool past 3rd grade. Brilliant fucking film on the way, just above great.
Tyler on May 4, 2008
Dear Tyler, Don't be such a tool. I liked BEGINS too, but it wasn't a great movie. It doesn't approach the realm of Art. It's no DEPARTED. Heck, it might not even be as good as INSOMNIA (but I'll be kind and say it's Nolan's third best film.) MOST of the respect Ledger gets is sympathy respect. There's no doubt he had some talent and potential, but he was neither rare, nor remarkable as an actor. Frame, Ledger-Depp is a false analogy. Depp was nominated for an Oscar after, like, FIFTEEN years of good performances. Almost all of which were better than any of Heath Ledger's. [Including MONSTER'S BALL and BROKEBACK, which were basically the same performance- pull in your lower lip, look dour, hunch, and mumble, mumble, mumble.] Also, I forget Gary Oldman on my list of BATMAN actors who Ledger could only dream of approaching in quality. Heck, I'll even throw Maggie Gyllenhall in there too. ["even"? More like especially. She's great.]
M. on May 5, 2008
Dear M. Ledger's joker was already getting a lot of buzz before he died. In fact the only way Ledger's death is doing something for Nolan's batman is that it's going to bring non-batman fans into theaters. I'm not sure he's going to get a nomination but Depp was nominated for pirates because he was brilliant in it, he alone carried that movie. 15 years of good performances and not even a nom and he gets it playin a drunk pirate? come on, what about Blow? or even Donnie Brasco? And Batman begins IS a great movie, in it's genre it is considered to be one of the best. And of course Gary Oldman is bigger than ledger, he's like 50 for crying out loud! where was Goldman when he was 28? Heath Ledger's Joker WILL be remembered , just like Jack Nicholson's is. Nomination or not, you my friend are going to keep it shut when this movie comes out!
bltzie on May 5, 2008
M. Batman Begins was a great movie. Batman Begins did something that no other comic book/superhero movie did before it. It took the idea of a superhero and made it realisitic, that a superhero could exist today in this day and age if they had the resources. That in itself made the movie so incredible.
Drew on May 5, 2008
can someone build a time machine that takes us to the opening weekend so we can watch this movie over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CANT TAKE IT ANY LONGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANNA SEE THIS MOVIE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ANTHONY on May 5, 2008
Wow thats aot of comment cant wait / nice trialor -why so serious?-
Shelby on May 5, 2008
M, I will agree with you that the departed was a better film than Batman Begins, but it had more flaws as well, it just carried them well. Obviously I am not suggesting that Ledger was playing on the level of Johnny Depp and Gary Oldman, but in relative comparison he was. Monster's Ball and Brokeback Mountain were very similar yes, but the differences are what exhibit his greatness as an actor. They were under the surface , and you had to sense the difference in the characters pain. That is a difficult performance master. Philip Seymour Hoffman won that Oscar because he had earned it over time, but Capote was an easier play than Ennis Del Mar( a character brought to life from a few pages of a short story). The Joker shows us how far Ledger would have truly been able to go. James Dean made 3 brilliant films, but was immortalized by his looks and behavior. Ledger won't be remembered like that because he today is a different era, but as far as acting goes he should. This is a better discussion to have post dark knight, after we have seen what he has really done with the character, but his recent performances have been brilliant, u obviously know enough about films to see that. Dooshbag is a far better word than tool, thats just a suggestion- whatever works.
Tyler on May 5, 2008
Wow. What a great trailer.
Mark O. on May 5, 2008
DCompose on May 5, 2008
This is on another site, and who knows if it's real or not. It's supposedly what Two-Face is gonna look like: Don't click if you don't wanna be spoiled. http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=litg/2008/0505/dent_tdk.jpg
The Brain on May 5, 2008
Dooshbag The proper way to spell this word is "douche" bag. As every knows, a "douche" is a vaginal cleaning. Hence the word "douche bag" relates to a dirty, fetid, lowly, or stupid person; an ignorant derelict.
Tyler on May 5, 2008
Sticks and stones...
avoidz on May 5, 2008
So, has any of you seen the leaked Harvey two face picture ?? The Brain's link isn't working anymore So here you go, again SPOILER ALERT: http://www.canmag.com/nw/11175-the-dark-knight-two-face I don't know if it's real, it's pretty well done but I think it's too gruesome If this is Nolan's Two Face then I say... bring it on!
bltzie on May 6, 2008
It looks fake to me. Looks like something off the cover of an 80's horror movie. And thats is not a good thing.
Joel on May 6, 2008
By the way, M is a total nerd and everyone hates him or her. Most likely him. Everyone in this movie will win an award and it will be the best movie ever. Period. Exclimation mark. FUCK YEAH.
DCompose on May 6, 2008
It seems like M is just trying to stir shit up. Oscar nominations are for films THAT year. Jack Sparrow ala Johnny Depp was nominated because they liked his performance. Whether you care to admit that Heath Ledger was a great actor or not is your simple minded ignorance. We're not telling you to compare actors, so why do you keep doing it? Stop being such a "tool".
Les on May 7, 2008
Holy Shit Ledger is downright terrifying perfect
jarhead on May 7, 2008
I know this is going to sound weird...but the first time I saw this, Joker (Ledger's) voice and and look when at the meeting of the other crooks (when he says "Kill the Batman") reminded me of someone. It didn't dawn on me until I watched it the fourth time...in that scene, anyway, he sounds a lot like....John McCain. And no, I'm not high.
kitano0 on May 7, 2008
It kinda gives it away when Dent says the "live long enough to see yourself as the villain" line that two-face is going to be emerging in this fantastic film... Great trailer by the way... Freakin Awesome!!!
3nigma331 on May 7, 2008
on min. 1:35 here and 1:45 on the first trailer there is a starbucks. Funny right
XXX on May 8, 2008
Somehow I find myself looking for more subtely from Aaron Eckhart. Don't get me wrong, he's perfect- I'm just wondering what he's gonna act like as the actual Two-Face CHARACTER. That image btw. is some freaky shit. Reminds me of "Body Worlds". Shiver-me-timbers, get this movie on screens already!!!
Djo. on May 8, 2008
I cannot wait for this movie any longer, it looks totally original. I'm not sure how anyone can compare it to anything else. It seems so in a league of it's own, but definitely in a good way. Ledger won't need an award to be commemorated. Like it's been mentioned, it's the performance, not necessarily the actor. I'm a huge Ledger fan, so don't take my opinions the wrong way, but he was such a risky actor. How many straight actors would have pulled off brokeback (performance and all the criticism) like he did. The trailer was phenomenal, I can't wait to see Eckhart on screen like this. This is going to be a once in a lifetime movie, don't you think?!
DMH on May 9, 2008
joker was not what i expected.........WHERE'S THE SUIT?!Otherwise, it looks like a gud movie...
vincent on May 11, 2008
That looks so great! It's so sad that Heath Ledger passed away right after though.
Beverly on May 11, 2008
The movie looks fab !!!! To any friends or loved ones of Heath Ledger. God bless you and may he ease the pain of your loss and replace it with joy and to give you peace in know that that he is safe and free of harm.
Wraith on May 12, 2008
That poster is so badass. Am I the only one who thinks the Bat-splosion resembles the plane impact in the WTC towers? I know I wouldn't be the first one to bring up the idea of 'escalation' stemming from Batman's mere presense in the city. Joker blaming Batman for his existence, much as terrorists blame America for their presense in Iraq. Nolan's no willy nilly. He's a smart dude.
Djo Fortunado on May 12, 2008
2:03. You can see Harvey's already scarred, and has a gun held to his left eye. Not that I ever doubted it, but my confidence in Aaron Eckhart doing Two-Face justice is increasing w/ every little bit. Freaky!
Djo Fortunado on May 12, 2008
Oh exciting... Dissappointed that Katie Holmes didn't reprive her role... I hate it when they switch actors like that... but I like Maggie Gyllenhal so hopefully I won't notice too much.. To echo others, it's very sad that Ledger won't get to enjoy the reactions to this role people will have.
Melissa on May 12, 2008
Yeah, I too noticed that reference to "Two Face", plus I heard'em say "Harvey Dent" and from what I remember from watching the animated version, "Harvey" was "Two Face's" real name, so I figured that was him and that he'd become two face either late in this movie, or he'd be the main vilain in the next sequel....but yeah, good job capturing that pic Joel!!!
Reel Talka on May 14, 2008
Has anyone noticed Heath Ledger's constant licking of his lips? I feel that's something he definitely worked into the character of the Joker and that brings a very 'scummy' quality to him. Again, only based on the footage provided. Thoughts? Anyone else notice that? Is it something that has to do with the character's sliced up face?
David on May 15, 2008
OH MY COW!!! (yea thats our thing...) THAT MOVIE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME! yea i have noticed that he licks his lips A LOT its weird..oh well but ya its going to rock hardcore! my friends and i are going to see the midnight opening here and are going to paint our faces like the jokers....i just havent told them yet hahaha 😀 cant wait!!!
Joker Girl on May 16, 2008
Joker Girl: Be sure to take pictures. We want to see that type of thing! FYI- Heath said in an interview he was sleeping like 2 hours a night, playing that role. Unfortunately, one doesn't have to wonder too far aloud to draw some conclusions about why else he might be licking his lips so much. Nonetheless- I cannot WAIT to see this. Incidentally, the way Heath changes the pitch of his voice when he's joking around (high) vs. saying something evil (eerily Loowww) is SUPER creepy~ LOVIN' IT!!! "Any psychotic ex-boyfriends I should be aware of?" "You have NO idea..."
Drokk!!! on May 16, 2008
I think ledger brings an incredible creepiness to the role & the licking o the lips thing does give him a scummy gross bad vibe. His voice control is just way badass. Like some one mentioned before the only thing I fear is Ledger stealing the lime light. I'm totally looking forward to this one. I might actually pay to see this.
Max on May 16, 2008
Personally I find the Joker to be much more intriguing than Batman at this point and won't mind a little scene stealing 🙂 What bothered me the whole trailer is Gyllenhaal being called beautiful when she doesn't look very attractive at all (don't know if it's just that scene or what). And what was with Batman jumping off that building in the beginning it didn't look like he had a cape on. I also feel that Caine's quip at the end killed the vibe 🙁 should've saved it for a TV spot. Other than that i had chills for the rest of the trailer. Summer can't get here soon enough 🙂
Silver on May 18, 2008
I didn't think that Jack Nicholson's Joker (or the 1989 Batman, for that matter) was very good. Sure when I was 12 year's old, at the time, I thought that the performance was great, but after I saw it again later on, I just flat out didn't like that performance at all. I suggest that all of you that think the performance was good, go back and watch it again. It's just Jack Nicholson being Jack Nicholson. Nothing special about it. Not only that but wasn't Nicholson like 50 years old when he did that film? I mean, if Christopher Nolan threw a 50 year old Joker in the Dark Knight, wouldn't you just be dogging him right now? Point is that you people like the Nicholson Joker because you were all young, do yourself a favor and get a second opinion from yourself, rent it and watch it again. Now we really don't know that Heath Ledger's Joker will be like or if the performance is special, but we do know one thing for sure and that's that Christian Bale is definitely a better Batman than Keaton, Clooney, or Kilmer (the Killer K's is what I refer to them).
Alaskan Moose on May 19, 2008
This movie is going to kick ASS!!!!
Mateja on Jun 1, 2008
watch out mr wayne mr j is in town,i bet this is going to make hulk look like crap.as for heath too bad you got a very quick call from above mate,this was supposed to be the movie where you were going to receive an award.God Bless your soul batman and gotham city
tatoka on Jun 13, 2008
Nicholson would be proud, this movie is bad ass!!! AWESOME!!!
XD Reyes on Jun 13, 2008
This movie could very well turn out to be the best in the series. I love the fact they are staying dark and not getting campy like spiderman is getting and Batman and Robin was. I would also like to say that people need not worry about the trailers reveling to much as this movie is 150 minutes long, which is 2 and a half hours, which I must say rocks.. I love when they do not cut the crap out of movies just to keep some stupid time limit.
REGEX on Jun 26, 2008
huh huh huh huh huh huh!!!
butthead on Jul 2, 2008
"Nicholson would be proud, this movie is bad ass!!! AWESOME!!! XD Reyes on Jun 13, 2008" Actually, Jack Nicholson is utterly pissed off that he wasn't asked back to reprise his role. (What a baby) He said he probably won't ever watch this movie, he's that mad. Tommy Lee Jones didn't even know the first four Batman movies are being ignored. When asked what he thought about Aaron Eckhart playing Two-Face he said "I thought Two-Face died" and then later on mentioned that the make-up is very painful. None of these old guys have any idea what is going on. Adam West is pissed off the most though. He refuses to watch any of the 6 Batman movies because he thinks the true Batman portrayal is his. I think there's something wrong with Mr. West.
Viper on Jul 8, 2008
Yes, but Frank Gorshin RIGHTFULLY claimed that he would have been a better Riddler. I mean, c'mon. Carrey Schmarey. The guy was literally spit onto this planet to play the part.
Djoz on Jul 8, 2008
I want to see Jim Carrey play the Riddler again.... LMAO!
Blake B on Jul 11, 2008
This is the most boring trailer this year. Why does this english freak Bale think he can become one of americas greatest heros? we need american men to play heros not fag brits who worship an 80 year old queen and her homo sons. bruce willis would be the best batman not this queer from a bankrupt country owned by french cowards and german nazis. no english should be allowed to take the jobs of american actors - let these slimeballs carry on wearing dresses in shakespear upon avon and let the real he men act the hero parts.
saltest on Aug 6, 2008
Get the fuck out of here saltest! Not one word in your post has any credibility to it. I only hope that it was sarcastic and went over my head.
Marcus on Aug 6, 2008
Could M. above (#40) have been any more wrong. let me take a quote- "In terms of acting, Ledger will not be remembered for this movie. And he's certainly not going to be nominated for any major acting awards for this role in a silly little comic-book movie." Wow. i think we all know how ridiculous this sounds now but you can't really knock someone (who obviously is now expert) for a terrible (TERRIBLE!!!!!) prediction.
Lo on Mar 5, 2009
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