Warner Bros. Pushes Back 'Batman vs. Superman' to Summer of 2016

January 17, 2014
Source: Variety

Batman vs. Superman

The packed movie year of 2015 just got a little less crazy. After rumors swirled that Batman vs. Superman, or whatever the Man of Steel sequel from director Zack Snyder will be called, was going to be shot back-to-back with a Justice League follow-up, we have some disappointing news. Variety reports Warner Bros. has decided to push back the film to May 6th, 2016, instead of releasing it on July 17th, 2015 as originally planned. The film is still in pre-production, and we're betting that recent developments like Gal Gadot being cast as Wonder Woman have proven to be a little more complicated than originally thought.

However, this could potentially mean that the rumor about Batman vs. Superman and Justice League shooting back-to-back could be true, because preparing for that production would take considerable more time than the studio may have thought. At least this way, Snyder and his team aren't rushing to meet a deadline and delivering a mediocre movie as a result. That just means fans will have to wait another year before seeing Ben Affleck suit up as Batman. And, this could mean that Affleck will have a clear schedule to direct Justice League if Warner Bros. was to make him an offer. However, this does put the sequel against an unknown Marvel project slated in that same weekend, so it'll be a comic book movie war. Thoughts?

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Reader Feedback - 77 Comments


Dang, i was ready, but of course more time will lead to a better movie. I support this film

Snowmanfloza on Jan 17, 2014


At least we won't have to hear the constant bashing from everyone towards which movie is better (Batman vs Superman and Avengers 2) like we did the summer of 2012 with TDKR and Avengers. It's so pathetic and tiring to hear. Especially when Avengers/Marvel will always be on top 😉

JBrotsis on Jan 17, 2014


The Avengers was the cinematic equivalent of a Happy Meal. Absolute garbage

Internet Reality on Jan 17, 2014


And so it begins. I admit I did ask for that... Well being I'm not going to get into this discussion all over again and repeat many upon many rants everyone on the internet have said, I'll just leave it at box office numbers and global profit from the movie.

JBrotsis on Jan 17, 2014


Geeks don't see it in those terms though. NO geeks liked the past couple of Transformers. Truly though, I think as time passes, they like dark knight rises more and avengers less. Go figure. I like em both, but definitely avengers more. Why? Because Hulk, that's why. And I reiterate I like dark knight rises as well. Man we're all turning into critics, I'm just tryin to stem the tide!

The Walking Cuban on Jan 18, 2014


Sorry you didn't get your pretentious, over priced, small portion of a meal. The rest of us enjoyed Joss Whedon letting the gang loose.

Jon Odishaw on Jan 17, 2014


It's interesting you think the alternative to a Happy Meal is something small and pretentious. There's actually a wide gamut in between and it includes vastly superior movies like The Dark Knight Rises

Internet Reality on Jan 18, 2014


You know, there's also a magical land where people enjoy both movies equally, for different reasons.

Ali Miller on Jan 18, 2014


Yeah! Boo to having fun in a theater with others. More summer movies about Algebra!

mooreworthy on Jan 18, 2014


Good decision. Sucks it's not on my birthday anymore but cool because there's more time to get shit straight! Bring it!

JudgeMethos on Jan 17, 2014


2015 will be packed enough. There will be this summer and next to whet our nerd appetites.

mooreworthy on Jan 17, 2014


Not a good sign

Internet Reality on Jan 17, 2014


Downvoted by idiots

Internet Reality on Jan 18, 2014


Sigh *roll eyes

toonfed on Jan 17, 2014


There was rumors hours before that Ben Affleck suffered a leg injury.

Damon King on Jan 17, 2014


No matter how long it takes I feel this movie will be great

Jon Odishaw on Jan 17, 2014


really least DC has more time in their hands to improve the movie and make it better than MOS.

lars on Jan 17, 2014


Are U really Von Trier?

Ehsan Davodi on Jan 17, 2014


Avengers not was bad movie but difference between DC & Marvel is in substance & vision. DC prefer more dark & gritty world rather than Marvel. And i think DC world is more mature & realistic. In Marvel world i think Hulk is something incredible. Most important weakness in Avengers Movie for me was VILLAIN. I was very very disappointed for DC when they say want make B vs S instead of Justice League. They don't must evade from this beloved & desirable movie. They owe to the fans as we owe to them. They must get more right & precise decisions.

Ehsan Davodi on Jan 17, 2014


The success of avengers was exacly because of their huge buildup from at least 4 franchises i can name off the top of my head. DC has somewhat accepted that despite being in the clear lead moviewise for decades they where outran by marvel in their phase one. If they introduce to many to fast they risk dropping many many people who dont come straight from the latest comic book on the floor, they won't know what who can do, and how who would react to this and that. People need to know who the characters are before they are crammed into a group of 7 is it ? Making Justice league after just MOS leading up to it would be stupid

Roxtaf on Jan 18, 2014


Disagree dude , i take from your comment that you think because sense of danger in payback the money , DC didn't make Justice League. But i say to u dude : Look at the avengers itself. Why first half of movie was build up for character when at least 4 movie was built (as you said sir)?? No .. that's not issue. Every movie need enough history & character development. On the other hand , if we say every epic movie want prequels as build up that's not be true either. Proof is Avatar. I think if they would be made Justice League instead of BvsS and if someone like Cameron , Cuaron , Spilberg or Peter jackson take the helmet of it the movie would became Big Hit and plus DC could introduce the unknown characters of that movie in NEW sequels.

Ehsan Davodi on Jan 18, 2014


I have to disagree here. The idea. Of them teaming up in duos BEFORE the actual superhero teamups is interesting. I mean iron man and war machine, or cap and falcon, is one thing, but iron man and hulk! That would have been an awesome IM3!

The Walking Cuban on Jan 18, 2014


I partly disagree comics books are comics books, and they should be treated as such, look at blockbusters before they have better ratings and they were colorful an pretty fun(like Independence Day, Jaws, Jurassic Park, etc...) , and yes there were some dark films as well but comic book characters are not supposed to be treated too much like that, take it from a comic book geek, I prefer to have fun with characters that made me smile as a kid and made me become hopeful of one day becoming something close to a hero, than have a dark sociopathic person try to act as a hero in a depressing dark world without over the top elements from the comics, granted Nolan's Batman trilogy(I exclude parts of The Dark Knight Rises since I often believe the film is slightly over-rated and people don't admit its flaws and plot holes, which would not make sense in Nolan's realistic atmosphere) was masterful, the characters and scenery were great, but they lacked that comic book feeling of being able to see fun and over the top stuff. I respect Christopher Nolan's work with Batman,but most people have to realize that not all characters can be treated that way, most other characters have to be a little over the top and leave room for imagination since they actually have powers. Which is why I really like the first Iron Man movie That movie was a great example of real life issues and characters with over the top flying stuff and charismatic characters and fun, but everyone to their own opinion, no hate intended, I'm simply stating my opinion.

Fidel Reyes on Jan 19, 2014


More time just means a better movie. I'm fine with it. Only disappointed that it won't be part of the amazing movie year that 2015 will be.

wat on Jan 18, 2014


I checked the current slate of 2016 releases...and it's quickly shaping up to be nearly as beastly as 2015. Two Marvel films, Avatar 2, X-Men: Apocalypse, Independence Day 2, Planet of the Apes 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, Alice in Wonderland 2, The Amazing Spider-Man 3. I mean...not as many films that I personally am excited for(the upcoming X-Men, Apes, and Spidey sequels have to be good before I get excited for more) but still a lot of pretty huge releases.

Chris Groves on Jan 18, 2014


Hmm, good point. The 2016 releases haven't nearly been promoted as much as 2015.

wat on Jan 18, 2014


Yeah, well, when 2014 has just begun, and we have films like Godzilla and Interstellar to look forward to, it's hard to get jazzed up about 'Marvel Untitled July 2016'

Chris Groves on Jan 19, 2014


Most of them unoriginal, big blockbuster sequels....

dawko on Jan 19, 2014


This is great GREAT news !!!!! ROC

cabo on Jan 18, 2014



somejackball on Jan 18, 2014


As disappointed as i am that the date is further away..............*HUGE SIGH* i guess its better that they have more time to put together a great script and the right amount of Superhero introduction. Still bummed tho.

Rock n Rollllll on Jan 18, 2014


DC ain't nobody got time fo dat!

Mrteapot on Jan 18, 2014


I imagine this will result in a better film.

Chris Groves on Jan 18, 2014


What? We have to wait two years and five months? I wonder how many movies Marvel will put out in that much time.

thefinalword on Jan 18, 2014


Quality over quantity like my momma told me.

Ken Ron Swarley Tan on Jan 18, 2014


Let me know when DC makes a quality movie.

thefinalword on Jan 18, 2014


Nice Joke Just V would be enough ... JUST "V"

Ehsan Davodi on Jan 20, 2014


Catwoman? Check and mate.

mooreworthy on Jan 20, 2014


Good decision...take your time, get it right.

Quanah on Jan 18, 2014


Was really excited for it but 2016 is also good for me.

Isildur_of_Numenor on Jan 18, 2014


Ya, troll much... maybe with the movie being pushed there will be enough time for Ben to be hit by a bus before production. Not enough to kill him, that would be evil, just tard him up a little. Godsmack for making Gigli..

sammy on Jan 18, 2014


I think this was a good idea. After watching Green Lantern, and a bland Superman.

TyeFighterPilot on Jan 18, 2014


Since when did all this 'serious' interest in comic book movies begin? The reality is if you are over 10 or 12 yrs. of age it's time to grow up and cultivate some intelligence here. I mean, come on. I read comic books when I was a kid. I liked them, but they became a bit silly and stupid when I got a little older. And all this chit-chat seems to be coming from guys. Jeez, how old are you all? If you are in your twenties then you should be properly embarrassed by even going to see junk worthless movies like this, let alone entertained by them. Man oh man, cut me a break. Comic book super heroes? Are you guys that frightened of the big, bad world that you live in that kind of fantasy? Look, when I was younger and had my head up my butt it took some wise, older guys to shake and rattle me and tell me to wake up. Thank the gods I did and I'm still indebted to them for it. If you get angry at me and my post, fine. Pause and just give it a thought or two and reconsider. Comic book characters? Super duper heroes with super duper powers? Come on, young dudes! Wake up! Grow up! This kind of mindless junk will rot your brains and you'll be immature idiots for the rest of your lives! As on old wise person once said, 'It's okay to watch trash, and even like it. Just be sure you know that it's trash'. Get it?

Guest on Jan 18, 2014


"If you get angry at me and my post, fine." Wow, I'm not angry at all, I pity your ignorance and judgement for entertainment. Comic book movies have been a hit since TV and Movies became popular. From the black and white superman to his 1st movie in 1978. How about the tongue in cheek Batman show from the 60's. The late 80's and into the 90's brought Batman. My point is each time they brought comics to the screen it made money because people wanted to see this form of entertainment. To see these modern movies and story lines they are not geared in anyway to a 10yr old. With all the problems in the world, Iran, North Korea, Oil Prices, school shootings, Obamacare, ect.. ect.. It's nice to forget about it for 2 or 3 hours and watch a movie and be entertained. Those problems aren't going anywhere and they will be around after the credits roll. I know my post isn't going to change your mind and I really don't care about that. It's just so sad you live a life that you take yourself so seriously. Your headed for heart and stomach issues. Relax. I bet other people in your life have said the same thing.

sammy on Jan 18, 2014


Thank you for your well written and calm response to my post, Sammy. However, you are incorrect in your assumptions about my personal life. I am 68 yrs. old and have never suffered from either heart of stomach issues and no one who knows me has ever said the same I am also known for my laughter and sense of humor and sense of irony so you are incorrect in that assumption also.So, onward. I have never and never will walk into a movie hoping that it makes me forget about the problems of the world, and perhaps therein is the problem with this whole 'I need to be entertained and forget'. Go get drunk or shoot drugs, Sammy. Same thing. I like to think of myself as intelligent enough that I am 'entertained' by intelligent pieces of work that are created with wanting to take a look at these problems of the world so many of the masses wish to forget or ignore. And beside, doesn't work. Even if you think it does, it really doesn't. It's always there, this that you wish to avoid. How does forgetting about if for 2 or 3 hours help you in any way? I fnd that distressing. As far as mentioning that these type of trashy characters etc. have always been present, perhaps so, but not to the degree to which they are now. And Sammy, don't be so silly and childish as to paint me as being ignorant so that you pity me. You're dealing with a very intelligent older guy who has worked and discussed films with the likes of Francis Coppola, Robert Altman, Gena Rowlands, Paul Schrader, John Cassevettes, Martin Sheen, and Sissy Spacek to name just a few and none have pitied my perceptions on films. In fact, all have agreed and we've enjoyed talking films with one another. I name these people in order for you to realize how off base you are. Again, I enjoyed your response and appreciated your views expressed without anger. That's an indication of your maturity and intelligence, so thanks. Just re-think my discussion a bit more and see if you can see where I'm coming from. Peace to you.

Guest on Jan 18, 2014


Here's the thing, when I see a article about a movie that doesn't interest me, I skip it and I especially do not demean or preach to those who do. And dude, 68 year old, cultured, intelligent men should never use, LOL. Hell, no man should.

mooreworthy on Jan 18, 2014


LOL u r an idiot

Guest on Jan 19, 2014


Just a though might be best to beware of labeling or calling another an idiot as that usually is behavior reserved for idiots. Reactions to being challenged are what's important. Not if the challenge or challenger is an idiot. That's just a fear based low level defensive reaction. One would be advised to take a close look at the type of reaction which might percipitate a change that would be more beneficial. Peace to you.

Guest on Jan 19, 2014



mooreworthy on Jan 19, 2014



Guest on Jan 19, 2014


Just for the record... in your original post, you yourself did refer to those who enjoy this genre as "immature idiots". Just saying.

avconsumer2 on Jan 20, 2014


I most certainly did not. I believe I said if one watches this mindless junk their whole lives they'll be mindless idiots. I meant it would turn their brains to mush. I would hesitate to call anyone a mindless idiot. However....comic book heroes when you're a grown man? Ummmm.....

Guest on Jan 20, 2014


Yes, name calling from nameless cowards always a strong argument. I bow to your intellect.

mooreworthy on Jan 19, 2014


Thanks for you reply, moorewothy. Lot of I this and I that and what I do as if what you do you would expect 'all' others to do the same. But I catch your drift and question my involvement on internet film forums to the I thing...I always enjoyed a good heated discussion regarding films and have learned a great deal from these discussions. Having one's views and perceptions challenged can be a wonderful thing. The challenge and or the challenger is not the important thing. The important thing is one's reactions. One's reactions is what is worthy to look at and question. Otherwise one might remain an ordinary ruck and that is something I've avoided for my whole life. In regards to comic book old wise many once said, 'The ordinary ruck has praise for the lowest virtures, admiration for the mediocre, and for the highest virtures no sense at all'. So again, the challenge is does one want to be an ordinary ruck? Or rise above the culture and the programming and think and see for one's self rather than what they've been taught and are being presented? If that is demeaning to others or preaching or seen as being that I again would challenge that perception and question how one came to that conclusion. Where did they learn to see things that way? Is that a robotic, knee jerk, herd mentality view or an intelligent and informed one? Eh? Thanks again for your my day it was 'man'...I'll be re-thinking my involvement here as that was and is an interesting challenge. Later...

Guest on Jan 19, 2014


No worries, mate, don't rethink anything, you have a right to be here as much as anyone.

mooreworthy on Jan 20, 2014


Regaring the right to be here, correct; we all have that right. I was more along the lines of re-thinking as to why I would bother. While we are at it, I'm not too sure just what you meant above when you stated, 'And dude, 68 year old, cultured, intelligent men should never use, LOL. Hell, no man should. That doesn't make sense, sorry. Is it me? lol...but...never use...what? No man should what? Again, sorry it's not clear to me. I thought you meant use the internet or, hell now I know I've no clue what you meant! Care to clarify...please? lol...

Guest on Jan 20, 2014


STFU...some of the best movies of the last decade are based on comics (batman trilogy)

Guest on Jan 18, 2014


STFU? Really? Is that the best you can do? Someone challenges your views on films and you whimper for them to shut up? That about ends any possibility for an intelliegent discussion...or even a mediocre one...okay man. I will remain silent on what I think of the batman trilogy...only to say it's about a guy who runs around wearing a batman costume....come on, man! lol....

Guest on Jan 19, 2014


Completely Disagree Are you hate your childhood? Sometimes don't you want back to that pure era? Plus for me every great guy in history is superhero. superheros exist. Some of them put on cap and some of them just speeches. This comic book movies told us we must care about peoples and mankind. We need sacrifice. We need courage. Yes , they follow targets of producers & governments beside but they have more good points anyway. Right , they have fictional world but DAMN that's very cruel and unbearable world without fictional fantasy thoughts. I love my inner-kid. Yes , that's passed away but always have good memories about it (even for those hard moments in my childhood times). We need just good superheros. Nolan knew it very well. Mature superheros.

Ehsan Davodi on Jan 19, 2014


That's cool. You disagree. No harm no foul. Thanks for your reply and opinion. Let's just agree to disagree, eh? Take care.

Guest on Jan 19, 2014


I think of comic book superheroes as essentially America's mythology - similar to the Greek gods, they are full of humanistic flaws married to outlandish power. They were symptomatic of a time when the U.S. desperately needed black-and-white heroism, and since then they've been reinvented over and over again to address the anxieties and hopes of each generation (becoming progressively more complex and even morally gray to reflect our evolving cultural consciousness). Dismissing a phenomenon as resilient as comic book heroes is perhaps understandable if you're concerned with feeling "adult" and above it all, but it's silly if you have any interest in analyzing American culture - you really can't divorce the two. Apart from all that, you seem to believe that anything that could be construed as "childish" must therefore be mindless junk. This is what's called a fallacy. 🙂 Good writing matters, not genre. Many films (and books) that are considered highbrow, adult, and realistic are actually just as hollow and devoid of life as a by-the-numbers blockbuster/bestseller - and I'm personally allergic to pretension. A great superhero film can have just as much to say as a great drama, if written correctly. Yeah, we have a lot of examples of crappy comic book films these days... but the same can be said for every other type of movie, lately. Personally, I don't cut myself off from any genre because I watch movies for two things: story and character - and great ones can be found anywhere, in classic literature or in comic books.

Ali Miller on Jan 20, 2014


Wonderfully said. I'll go ahead and assume we won't be discussing the latest in animated film with our jovial new friend either.

avconsumer2 on Jan 20, 2014


Watch know what they say about ass u me...assuming makes an ass out of you and me. But thanks, I am jovial and I am a friend. Not intending to do anyone any harm here. Only challenging certain views and opinions. Any you're right in your feelings regarding animated films are close to what I feel about comic book films. It amazes me, actually, that I'm finding so much trouble and anger here in discussing comic book films. My god, they are comic books...for children! Am I insane? Or are all of you? Tell me it ain't I do believe the latter!!!....LOL big time...

Guest on Jan 20, 2014


If you just base it on the movies, then yeah I would say comics are for kids and hero worshipers, but have you checked out a graphic novel lately? Saga by Image comics would be a recommendation that is. It kid friendly and there is no black or white, good vs. evil, just damn good writing.

mooreworthy on Jan 20, 2014


Haven't done the graphic novel thing either. If I remember or find a way I'll perhaps check out this Saga by Image comics. But I'm worried about your stating it kid friendly as that could mean it's still geared for a certain age mentality, Am I wrong?

Guest on Jan 20, 2014


Well, Ali...interesting reply post and it makes my point several times over. If one considers comic books and films of that nature the new American mythology we are indeed in trouble. My point, taken from much reading from people like Anthony DeMello, David Carse, Jed McKenna and the wonderful Denial of Death buy Ernest Becker won was awareded the Pulitzer Prize for that great work. They all discuss the same thing. That human beings are frightened creatures who want to remain children with power figures to look up to and to pat them their little heads and tell them everything is fine and not to worry...they, the power figures have it all taken care of. Each person needs to grow up and face their fears and anxieties without false heroes and silly vapid super heroes to help them thru the day. It doesn't work. It's like a bad drug that wears off rather quickly; thus the constant onslaught of these childish, immature and basically false movies. Of course, grown up children are going to whine and yell when told to grow up and leave childish things behind which sounds like what you were doing, albeit in quite an intelligent manner. Yet, confrontation sparks outrage and attacks that come flavored with immature name calling and assumptions, i.e. wanting to feel adult and above it all. That is projection, Ali, and has nothing to do with me. I thought we were analyzing American culture and I'm saying it's geared to the herd/childish mentality. And the truth of the matter is none of this is created to do as you seem to think. It's naive to not see that it's all about making massive amounts of money and those that are in the business know this and cater to the lowest of the lowest common demoninator in order to makes these massive amounts of money. Same with the animated films. Just listen to the voices and how they are not only childish banter in tone and reflexion, but obviously geared to that mentality. I've good naturedly tossed out a challenge to this nonsense and the reactions are interesting. Defensive in nature at best and rude, crude and angry in general. That's of interest also. But thanks again for you reply and your...restraint? lol...Peace to you.

Guest on Jan 20, 2014


If you think modern superheroes are about having a power figure to look up to, I would ask you to take a closer look. Most comicbook films today have a wealth of themes - about how heroes placed on a pedestal are doomed to fall or fail; about the definition of right and wrong and what to do when those lines get blurry; about whether or not it is possible to be a force for good when you are part of a flawed and corruptible system; about how our own vices and shortcomings compromise our attempts to be better people. And there are many other darker and more complex stories with these characters that have never been put to film (and probably never will be). They are not static, which is one of the reasons it's interesting to follow the genre. Change is inevitable over the 60+ years many of these icons have been around. "Of course, grown up children are going to whine and yell when told to grow up and leave childish things behind which sounds like what you were doing, albeit in quite an intelligent manner." Hmm, you accuse me of assuming too much about you, and yet you're comfortable doing the same to me? Interesting. 😉 No, in reality, I'm passionate about all types of stories - the highbrow as much as the lowbrow. I enjoy writers like Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, and Victor Hugo just as much as I enjoy contemporary fiction, science fiction, fantasy, historical dramas - everything under the sun. I don't discriminate, because I'd hate to miss out on a great story, wherever it might be hiding! There's a reason I got a degree in literature... and it wasn't to feel good about myself. "It's naive to not see that it's all about making massive amounts of money and those that are in the business know this and cater to the lowest of the lowest common demoninator in order to makes these massive amounts of money." Of course. The film industry is in the interest of making money. That doesn't preclude the possibility of auteurs creating something great and meaningful even within the trappings and dictates of a money-minded industry. I'm not sure what your point is here; the publishing industry is the same way. TV as well. If anything, today's audience has become more demanding of blockbusters than ever - we want them to have great stories, memorable characters, excellent acting, pitch-perfect art design, and most importantly: something to say. Or else we'll drop them like a hot coal. I don't think any real fan of SF/F would say they're content with mediocrity from these films.

Ali Miller on Jan 20, 2014


You state your case for comic book films too well, Ali. Good luck to you. I surrender and throw in the towel. I simple cannot sit thru these silly childish movies and I think you are injecting much too much into them. Be that as it may, it's your view and perspective and I respect that. They are just unwatchable to me and I'd go insane if I had to watch one. Sorry, but that's the way it is. I'll go back and watch some Bergman film or The Lion In Winter with Hepburn and O'Toole to satisfy my intelligence and need for truthful stories concerning the human condition. Guys flying around in steel costumes and batman uniforms just snap me out of the whole thing and I'm unable to suspend any kind of disbelief required in viewing them. That's just me. I'm on the wrong forum and will look for other more intelligent folks to converse with about movies. I do not mean that as a slight to you, Ali. Hey, if you are that picture you're a pretty woman besides being an intelligent one and if I was younger would attempt to date you. That would be trouble because you view of comic book films indicates a world view that would collide with mine and all would not be well. Look, I'm joking with you. Hope I've not offended you or your sensibilites in any way. You're the lucky one. They just don't make films for poor sods like me anymore. I was privilaged to work with Coppola on Apocalypse Now, and Robert Altman and Sissy Spacek, chatted films with Martin Sheen as well as Coppola, worked on a play with John Cassavettes and Gena Rowlands. Those people and those films are not the norm anymore and I'm saddened by it yet have accepted the truth of the matter. Good luck to you. Hope you enjoy Superman vs. Batman. My god, I can't even believe there is going to be such a!

Guest on Jan 20, 2014


To add to my first reply to you, Ali I do wish you might read some of my other replies to other posters on this thread to possibly educate you a bit more on who I am and the experiences I'm bringing to the table here. Again, I thought your response was well written even though I still disagree with you. What we are really, or at least I am, discussing here it truth and as Camus said, 'Truth, like light, blinds. Falsehood, on the contrary, is a beautiful twilight that enhances every object.' I see these comic books films as being false. It's interesting to me the reactions. If one wants to grow as a person, it would seem when one is challenged in their beliefs they would ask themselves...why is this person saying this? Is there any validity here? Can I learn something from this view point? At least you didn't dismiss my perspective with anger and bitterness, Ali, but can you perhaps contemplate what I might be getting at rather than take a defensive position? Just wondering.

Guest on Jan 20, 2014


What makes you think I wasn't contemplating your perspective (or that I haven't considered it many times before now)? Also, is it too much to ask for the same courtesy from you? Because it doesn't sound like you're entertaining any viewpoints contrary to your own right now; it sounds more like you're dismissing them wholesale. I don't believe I was being defensive. I love a good discussion. I wouldn't get into conversations like this if I wasn't interested in the opposing point of view. That's my default modus operandi. 🙂

Ali Miller on Jan 20, 2014


Again, well said and I apologize. You've stated your views on comic book films quite eloquently and I appreciate that. As I've stated, I can hardly believe I'm even discussing such at thing as 'comic book' films. Ugh! And you are right. I am dismissing them wholesale. I've watched enough of most of them when they come on cable to hasten the end of my disgust of them by quickly changing the channel. That's just me. Look, they are popular. I've stated my opinion of them and the state of films in general. They are not even films anymore to me. Just 'movies' to soothe the masses. I know that's a heavy weight philosophical position, but that's where I reside. I just find no value in them, Ali. They are junk to me; like cotton candy or an ice cream cone. Hell, I would rather indulge in either of those then Iron Man movies, or The Avengers. Christ, Ali! Come on. If I wasn't such a traveled and well read old dog who has finally released the possibility of being offended, I'd indeed be offended by this nonsense. So, hey. Good luck to you. This has become pointless and repetitive don't you think as neither of us is going to change our opinions on this comic book film madness polluting our culture. Sorry...can't help least I know I am not going to so you're right about that. Take care. You seem like a nice person and I appreciate being able to experience being at logger heads with you for a time. Thank you.

Guest on Jan 20, 2014


Obviously you have an "interest" as well, otherwise you wouldnt be here commenting Mr. Hypocrite.

Rock n Rollllll on Jan 20, 2014


Look, really now. Let me try to help you here. Try to get out of this angry and childish knee-jerk reaction and contemplate what is being discussed. It might help if you read down the whole thread to see what others have replied to me and how I have replied to them. It does not do the discussion, you, or anybody else any good to carry on in this manner. Can you do that? Try to relax. If I've challenged your perceptions, that's a good thing. Try to understand where I'm coming from rather than reacting with anger and name calling. Of course, I have interest or I would be here commenting. How the hell does that make me a hypocrite for chrissakes? Come on, man. Raise your game here. I'm challenging you again. See if you can stay calm and react with a little more thoughtfulness. No one, especially me, is trying to cause anyone any degree of harm here. It's just a discussion of different points of view. Okay? Peace be with you.

Guest on Jan 20, 2014


True, but see the other side of the coin. TDK Trilogy has so many elements of drama that even teenagers find it boring!

ASB on Jun 25, 2014


Only the man of steel is strong enough to push a date back!

MLTC on Jan 18, 2014


i dont like the fact of a superman vs batman movie before justice league movie stop it. that happened after they was older not before the justice league remember batman and superman was best friends as well as wonderwoman. they should make a superman vs batman at a later year after they get done with justice league series. if u going to do something do it right

MARZ76 on Jan 19, 2014


Honestly, smart call.

DAVIDPD on Jan 19, 2014

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3. Shape of Water
4. Florida Project
5. Dunkirk
6. Jane
7. Foxtrot
8. Faces, Places
9. Never Really Here
10. Thelma
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Jeremy's Top 10- 2017
1. mother!
2. Lady Bird
3. A Ghost Story
4. The Big Sick
5. Dunkirk
6. Get Out
7. Killing Sacred Deer
8. John Wick 2
9. War for Apes
10. The Beguiled
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