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The First Word Podcast - 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi', feat. Kyle Newman

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December 19, 2017

The First Word Podcast

We are very happy to present the very first episode of The First Word podcast, a brand new podcast from FirstShowing. Friends Alex Billington (@firstshowing) and Mike Eisenberg (@Eisentower30) team up to bring you a podcast providing in-depth discussion, analysis, and interviews about the latest movies, and some old ones too. We know there are tons of podcasts out there, and who needs another, but we also just wanted to record our talks and send something out for everyone to listen to if they want. We hope to provide some intriguing insight and different perspectives, along with our honest opinions and feelings about the world of cinema. And of course we'll bring on some guests. Up first - this episode is all about Rian Johnson's Star Wars: The Last Jedi, spoilers and all, diving deep into everything about the movie - good and bad. Our special guest on this episodes is filmmaker Kyle Newman (Fanboys, Barely Lethal). Listen in below.

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Our guest: Kyle Newman (@kyle_newman) - listen to his podcast The Franchise

Our topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (dir. Rian Johnson)

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Reader Feedback - 27 Comments

1

There is a G-d! // Thank you.

DAVIDPD on Dec 20, 2017

2

Will give you a feedback soon. ;D

tarek on Dec 20, 2017

3

Okay! Looking forward... maybe?

Alex Billington on Dec 20, 2017

4

I use to listen to my podcasts in my car or when I am shopping. It helps me to focus better and to enjoy better the podcast. I will give you my feedback probably tomorrow. I will be frank ( as usual). ;D

tarek on Dec 20, 2017

5

Here's my feedback. Content: insightful. Could have benefited from some interesting trivia with regard to the movie. Things to improve: Sound clarity and volume are uneven. It's hard to know who's speaking to who. Especially when the timbres of your voices are very similar. Other suggestion: maybe you could crack one joke every now and then to lighten the conversation. ;D

tarek on Dec 21, 2017

6

I agree with points 1 and 2. I don't know where you guys recorded, but there was a train/airplane occasionally in the background too (which an airplane is harder to get around obviously). Appreciated the discussion though! Might've been a bit long. Maybe keep it around a set time? An hour or so?

THE_RAW_ on Dec 21, 2017

7

Thank you for the feedback as well. Yes, there is a train because Mike lives in Chicago next to the metro and it's impossible to get rid of. But we're looking into it... And yes, the plan is to keep it at about an hour. This one ran long because it's Star Wars and our first episode and we had SO much to talk about. But the plan for future episodes is to stick to around an hour of discussion.

Alex Billington on Dec 23, 2017

8

Gotcha! I figured as much. For your first podcast right out the gate, I really enjoyed it. There was a lot of healthy back and forth discussion. And I found myself nodding in agreement with a lot of your perspectives regarding Last Jedi. And seeing Last Jedi a second time last Saturday I actually enjoyed it MORE. Idk if your podcast had something to do with it, or just knowing what was coming and sitting back and taking in the movie, but it worked better the second time for me. I'm literally baffled as I wasn't expecting that...

THE_RAW_ on Dec 27, 2017

9

It's amazing how so many professional critics are just glossing over the messy structure, inconsistency of tone, mishandled characters/main plot, the other 2 subplots are just simple x unnecessary.

Brandon Cole on Dec 21, 2017

10

Sometimes people can't resolve to admit an evidence, even if you put it right in front of their noses. ;D Many critics hold Rian Johnson to a high esteem, so even when he messes up, they keep trying to find a sense to his messing.

tarek on Dec 21, 2017

11

Because I don't think any of this is really there? If there was an issue with the messy structure I'd point it out, but I did mention in my written review the pacing is problematic. But I can look past certain aspects of a film if other aspects are incredible. This just sounds like your opinion on it, not exactly something to say critics are missing.

Alex Billington on Dec 23, 2017

12

Thank you for the honest feedback. It is appreciated. Some responses for you... 1. Trivia is not our thing. You can find plenty online if you're interested, but we prefer to stick to discussions about the movie and anything we find interesting. 2. Sound clarity and volume seem perfectly fine? Not sure what you're talking about? I do understand about the train in the background, we'll see if we can fix that. Maybe the sound quality has to do with how you're listening to it? Because when I listen it sounds perfect. And perhaps we record more we'll have more distinct voices and we'll settle into those with time. 3. Jokes aren't my thing. 😉 Maybe Mike can toss in a few? But yeah. I prefer to have a serious discussion here, not so much a comedy cast, but we'll see how it goes. Thanks again, this is helpful and we definitely will consider the feedback.

Alex Billington on Dec 23, 2017

13

You're welcome. As for the way I listen to it, the same way I listen to many podcasts. Ask Christopher Coleman or Erik Woods about the sound quality. They will give you a more "professional" opinion and advices.

tarek on Dec 23, 2017

14

Sure, but I mean, I've listened to it and the sound quality seems great. I am actually very happy with the way it turned out, the sound seems excellent. But we will take your feedback to heart and see if we can keep making it even better.

Alex Billington on Dec 23, 2017

15

The insight was there for this movie but Rian didn't understand the grand epic sense a SW Saga film has but firstly the full potential of the story. The most authentic decision in the whole movie was to have Kylo kill Snoke; but what comes before x after that decision is still the same Kylo sadly.

Brandon Cole on Dec 20, 2017

16

In other words: the movie sucks. Let's have the Force to say it Loud. ;D

tarek on Dec 21, 2017

17

@tarektoverso:disqus did you see it yet?

THE_RAW_ on Dec 21, 2017

18

Yep. And I was disappointed on many levels. Weak writing. Lot of good premises that were introduced in TFA and ended up as dead ends. Many (too many) juvenile humor. Lot of missed opportunities.

tarek on Dec 21, 2017

19

Lol, all I can say is I had a problem with Rian Johnson since Looper! Although the Last Jedi trailers looked very promising and thought they can only go up from TFA which wonderfully set up this trilogy; my only expectation was not to be let down x I was very much so!

Brandon Cole on Dec 21, 2017

20

So, was there anything you guys DID like?

THE_RAW_ on Dec 21, 2017

21

Laura Dern lightspeeding thru the big ship sequence Expansion of the force powers really..

Brandon Cole on Dec 21, 2017

22

The beginning Resistance evac, the throne room sequence and the lightspeed takeout of Snokes ship were the highlights for me too. And how the First Order was a force to be reckoned with.

THE_RAW_ on Dec 21, 2017

23

Few bits were great. Rose was a very likable character. I pretty much enjoyed all the scenes she was in. Poe character improved a little bit, but not that much. He can't be the new Han Solo for sure. Kylo Ren was awesome but his story arc was wasted. Rey should have been the central character that drives the story, but she ended up being almost a secondary character. The subplot with Finn and Rose was written just to re create a cantina bis with no added value to the story. Del Toro was awesome. I would love to revisit his character again. the brief appearance of Yoda was great. It gave to the movie an Empire Strikes back vibe for a brief moment.

tarek on Dec 21, 2017

24

Man, your take on this is completely different from anyone else's lol You are a true original. I agree about Rey. I felt like she was secondary to Luke and Kylo. How about that throne room sequence eh?!?

THE_RAW_ on Dec 21, 2017

25

The Throne room ? You mean when they distributed medals to all the heroes? ;D What I liked: Kylo Ren and Rey acting. End. What I disliked: -Looked too similar to RotJ on many ways. -Darth Maul syndrome. ( killed too quickly too soon). -CGIzed Snoke. I would have preferred the use of prosthetic. -Battle with the Elite Praetorian Guard was unsatisfying. Why Kylo Ren was restraining himself from using the Force and throwing every damn red peon in the air? -The "come with me and we will rule the galaxy together" was also an ESB scene that didn't fit at all with the timing, the dynamic or the narrative of the story. -Cutting out a saber in two just by pulling it out on both sides with the Force is ridicule. if Rey had such awesome Force ( Any Mechanical engineer here to calculate the amount of force needed?) Why didn't she use it to fight back Snoke or during her battle with the guards? And so many other details that distracted me during the whole movie.

tarek on Dec 21, 2017

26

Are you of the opinion that it should be stricken from the canon?

THE_RAW_ on Dec 21, 2017

27

I am more of the opinion that they should stray away from the canon and tell new stories with no relations or connection to the original trilogy. I know, i am too radical. ;D I loved A new hope, because there was an interesting mythology, a hero journey, a great sense of adventure and an epic conclusion. this movie is the anti-thesis of all these points for me. It was like a crazy ball bouncing on every wall that crosses its path with no cap to follow.

tarek on Dec 21, 2017

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